Can spouse get back to H-4 status?

madgu-gc2005

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Hi,

My spouse is now on H-1B and planning to join in a company with EAD (our I-485 is pending with NSC under EB-2 NIW). If something happens with my I-485 can I file H-4 (dependent) for my spouse since i will be maintaining my H-1B till i hear something from USCIS about my I-485. See below my signature. Guys! Give me your feed back.
 
madgu-gc2005 said:
Hi,

My spouse is now on H-1B and planning to join in a company with EAD (our I-485 is pending with NSC under EB-2 NIW). If something happens with my I-485 can I file H-4 (dependent) for my spouse since i will be maintaining my H-1B till i hear something from USCIS about my I-485. See below my signature. Guys! Give me your feed back.
try reading this:::
immigration-law.com

Question: I am a Chinese with a Ph.D. degree in Mechanical Engineering from a University in California. I have been working with the University as a Research Associate conducting research on a defense department project. I have published more than 10 articles in the international journals, a published review of my achievement by a leading scientist in my field. I thought I deserved a National Interest Waiver EB-2. I filed EB-2 I-140 petition concurrently with the I-485 application in September 2005, immediately prior to the EB-2 visa retrogression for Chinese in October 2005. It was a self petition. To my total surprise, last week, I received a denial of I-140 petition from the Service Center. Along with the decision of denial of National Interest Waiver petition, they also sent me a letter denying my I-485 application. I do not have a H-1B status as I have been working on EAD. I am totally crushed. What will happen with me?

A3: When one files concurrent I-140/I-485, the underlying proceeding for I-485 application is I-140 petition. If EAD and Advance parole applications are also concurrently filed, the underlying proceeding for the EAD and Advance Parole applications is I-485. What this means is that once the underlying legal proceeding of I-140 faces denial, all the concurrently filed proceedings of I-485, EAD, and Advance Parole applications also collapse as they lost the underlying legal foundation. This is what happened in your case. When one faces such denial of I-140 petition, one considers three options: (1) Refiling of I-140/I-485 or (2) Motion to Reopen or Reconsider or (3) Appeal to the AAO of the USCIS. Here, refiling of the concurrent I-140/I-485 is not available as the visa number is not available for your EB-2 priority date for China. Motion to Reopen or Reconsider is available within 30 days of I-140 denial, but decision of the motion can take months or even years. Pending the motion, you will not have any legal status and your unlawful presence clock will keep ticking from the date of denial of initial I-140/I-485 concurrent filing, subjecting you to either three-year bar or ten-year bar from returning to the U.S. once you pass six months or one year from the date of denial. Besides, pending the motion, you will not have any work permit. Neither do you have an advance parole. As for the option of an appeal to AAO, appeal is available only for I-140 denial. The denials of I-485, EAD, Advance Parole are not appealable. Pending the appeal, neither will you have any work permit. The unlawful presence will also keep running pending the appeal to the AAO. The processing times of AAO appeal are substantially backlogged at this time. If the Motion or Appeal is denied, one literally faces the end of a rope for the immigration journey. If the Motion to reopen is filed for I-140 petition and not I-485 application, the approval of the motion may or may not reinstate the I-485 proceedings depending on the discretion of the agency. There is no firm rule or policy as to the consequence of grant of Motion to Reopen of Denial of I-140 Petition on the denied I-485 applications. If the agency exercises a discretion and reintate the I-485 application, the agency will continue processing of the I-485 application. On the other hand, if the agency declines to exercise discretion and require the alien to refile I-485 application, the alien will not be able to refile I-485 application as the visa number has retrogressed. The same is true with the AAO appeal. The AAO does not have any jurisdiction to rule on the denied I-485 application and its reversal of the Service Center's I-140 petition denial will return the I-140 petition with approval. It has been a reality that in most of the cases of grant of motion to reopen or grant of appeal, the Service Centers have exercised a discretion and continued processing and adjudication of I-485 application. But it is a matter of discretion rather than a mandate. Retrogression of the visa numbers pending I-485 thus results in the harsher consequences than the situation where I-485 is denied when the visa number is available. You should immediately seek legal counsel.
 
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eb1doc .. but this post from Murthy.com does not answer magdu-gc2005's question. If his and his wife's I1485s are denied can he switch his wife back to H4 from EAD if he has a valid H1B. I would also like to know the answer to this question. Thanks.

My guess is that magdu-gc2005 will not have any problem in switching his wife's status back to H4. Maybe she will have to leave the country as she is out of status on I485 denial, but can go to her country's consulate and apply for H4 visa basedon her husband's valid H1B. COS will not be possible in this case. All of this is guess work.
 
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Thanks eb1doc. I am the primary applicant for I-140/485 and both have EAD. We both are on H-1b now. I am NOT going to use EAD and my spouse will be using EAD to join in a company. I will be maintaining my H-1B . AFter I posted this I came to understand that my spouse can work with EAD and if there is a problem with pending I-485 (you know that my I-140 petition under EB-2 niw is already approved and I-140 under EB-1A is pending at NSC) my spouse will leave the country and come back with H-4 visa stamp.

By the way I feel sorry for that chinese guy whose I-140 eb2 niw got denied.
 
EB1OR@NSC said:
eb1doc .. but this post from Murthy.com does not answer magdu-gc2005's question. If his and his wife's I1485s are denied can he switch his wife back to H4 from EAD if he has a valid H1B. I would also like to know the answer to this question. Thanks.

My guess is that magdu-gc2005 will not have any problem in switching his wife's status back to H4. Maybe she will have to leave the country as she is out of status on I485 denial, but can go to her country's consulate and apply for H4 visa basedon her husband's valid H1B.

U R right EB1OR@NSC. that is what i learnt. My spouse can go back to home country get her H-4 stamped. within how many days one should leave US after I-485 is denied? do you have any idea.
 
eb1doc,
This example is from www.immigration-law.com not from murthy.com. After reading this I had a question: Why can't this Chinese guy get H1B visa to work while he resolves this mess? Because he works at University, H1B visa cap shouldn't be a problem.
eb1doc said:
try reading this:::
Murthy.com

Question: I am a Chinese with a Ph.D. degree in Mechanical Engineering from a University in California. I have been working with the University as a Research Associate conducting research on a defense department project. I have published more than 10 articles in the international journals, a published review of my achievement by a leading scientist in my field. I thought I deserved a National Interest Waiver EB-2. I filed EB-2 I-140 petition concurrently with the I-485 application in September 2005, immediately prior to the EB-2 visa retrogression for Chinese in October 2005. It was a self petition. To my total surprise, last week, I received a denial of I-140 petition from the Service Center. Along with the decision of denial of National Interest Waiver petition, they also sent me a letter denying my I-485 application. I do not have a H-1B status as I have been working on EAD. I am totally crushed. What will happen with me?

A3: When one files concurrent I-140/I-485, the underlying proceeding for I-485 application is I-140 petition. If EAD and Advance parole applications are also concurrently filed, the underlying proceeding for the EAD and Advance Parole applications is I-485. What this means is that once the underlying legal proceeding of I-140 faces denial, all the concurrently filed proceedings of I-485, EAD, and Advance Parole applications also collapse as they lost the underlying legal foundation. This is what happened in your case. When one faces such denial of I-140 petition, one considers three options: (1) Refiling of I-140/I-485 or (2) Motion to Reopen or Reconsider or (3) Appeal to the AAO of the USCIS. Here, refiling of the concurrent I-140/I-485 is not available as the visa number is not available for your EB-2 priority date for China. Motion to Reopen or Reconsider is available within 30 days of I-140 denial, but decision of the motion can take months or even years. Pending the motion, you will not have any legal status and your unlawful presence clock will keep ticking from the date of denial of initial I-140/I-485 concurrent filing, subjecting you to either three-year bar or ten-year bar from returning to the U.S. once you pass six months or one year from the date of denial. Besides, pending the motion, you will not have any work permit. Neither do you have an advance parole. As for the option of an appeal to AAO, appeal is available only for I-140 denial. The denials of I-485, EAD, Advance Parole are not appealable. Pending the appeal, neither will you have any work permit. The unlawful presence will also keep running pending the appeal to the AAO. The processing times of AAO appeal are substantially backlogged at this time. If the Motion or Appeal is denied, one literally faces the end of a rope for the immigration journey. If the Motion to reopen is filed for I-140 petition and not I-485 application, the approval of the motion may or may not reinstate the I-485 proceedings depending on the discretion of the agency. There is no firm rule or policy as to the consequence of grant of Motion to Reopen of Denial of I-140 Petition on the denied I-485 applications. If the agency exercises a discretion and reintate the I-485 application, the agency will continue processing of the I-485 application. On the other hand, if the agency declines to exercise discretion and require the alien to refile I-485 application, the alien will not be able to refile I-485 application as the visa number has retrogressed. The same is true with the AAO appeal. The AAO does not have any jurisdiction to rule on the denied I-485 application and its reversal of the Service Center's I-140 petition denial will return the I-140 petition with approval. It has been a reality that in most of the cases of grant of motion to reopen or grant of appeal, the Service Centers have exercised a discretion and continued processing and adjudication of I-485 application. But it is a matter of discretion rather than a mandate. Retrogression of the visa numbers pending I-485 thus results in the harsher consequences than the situation where I-485 is denied when the visa number is available. You should immediately seek legal counsel.
 
leviathan said:
eb1doc,
This example is from www.immigration-law.com not from murthy.com. After reading this I had a question: Why can't this Chinese guy get H1B visa to work while he resolves this mess? Because he works at University, H1B visa cap shouldn't be a problem.

thanks for pointing that!
corrections done!
I know one case similar to that where I-485 was denied
poor guy got h1B also sacked and later denied based on similar grounds!
 
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EB1OR@NSC said:
eb1doc .. but this post from Murthy.com does not answer magdu-gc2005's question. If his and his wife's I1485s are denied can he switch his wife back to H4 from EAD if he has a valid H1B. I would also like to know the answer to this question. Thanks.

My guess is that magdu-gc2005 will not have any problem in switching his wife's status back to H4. Maybe she will have to leave the country as she is out of status on I485 denial, but can go to her country's consulate and apply for H4 visa basedon her husband's valid H1B. COS will not be possible in this case. All of this is guess work.

I beleive this time madgu was asking for opinions other than me on thi sissue as i remember answering his query long back!! that his wife was can go for H4 ASAP (premium) as long as he is maintaining H1b.
 
eb1doc said:
I beleive this time madgu was asking for opinions other than me on thi sissue as i remember answering his query long back!! that his wife was can go for H4 ASAP (premium) as long as he is maintaining H1b.

Yes eb1doc. After hearing from you I was thinking that we can file her H-4 but it is not true. She should leave the country and come back with H-4 stamp. Within US the status cannot be changed. Have you been on vacation? I did not see you for some time in this forum :)
 
madgu-gc2005 said:
Yes eb1doc. After hearing from you I was thinking that we can file her H-4 but it is not true. She should leave the country and come back with H-4 stamp. Within US the status cannot be changed. Have you been on vacation? I did not see you for some time in this forum :)

Going back for stamping is matter of debate....as once you get H4 paper you become parole for 45 days (they say its new rule)....if you get it approved in those 45 days then u are fine................but hey my opinions are just based on experience! well i am very much here but yeah little sluggish on visiting forum.......plus i have seen many contributors are now sharing what i used to share with them....that makes me feel like retiring !!!
 
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eb1doc said:
Going back for stamping is matter of debate....as once you get H4 paper you become parole for 45 days (they say its new rule)....if you get it approved in those 45 days then u are fine................but hey my opinions are just based on experience! well i am very much here but yeah little sluggish on visiting forum.......plus i have seen many contributors are now sharing what i used to share with them....that makes me feel like retiring !!!

Good tips you gave me. 45 days!!! good enough to get approved through premium processing. Please don't retire. We guys need a person like you in this forum.
 
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