Can Asylees be sent back with this law?

wantmygcnow

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Something new I saw in an article i read that asylees may be sent back if real id is passed....please read below

In an act that smells entirely of xenophobia, the US administration is in the last stages of passing an anti-immigration law that will empower the authorities to take draconian steps against anyone they think is an illegal alien.


Called the Real ID act, it has already sailed through the House of Representatives and is well on the fast track to clearance in the Senate, where it is attached to the Iraq funds request, which will ensure it gets passed pronto to became law.

According to Dawn, this "Real ID act, if enacted, would give the Secretary of Homeland Security unlimited powers. Immigrants will no longer be able to obtain driver's licenses or car insurance. Police can randomly stop an immigrant and ask him to prove his status and can arbitrarily detain him."

Even the right to habeas corpus can be affected adversely (a law requiring a detained person to be brought before a judge, especially to investigate the lawfulness of their detention – the most important writ in a free and democratic world).

This new law will give the police power to arbitrarily stop anyone they consider to be suspicious and hold them indefinitely or even deport them.

Not only will it negatively impact immigrants in US (illegal or otherwise) it will also target would-be asylum seekers fleeing political or religious persecution. They will have to provide documented evidence in support of their application. Also, it may even stretch to making those who already obtained asylum, by making them go back if US thinks conditions, from where these people fled, are all right now.

The act will further tighten the bail process, making it exceedingly difficult for immigrants awaiting hearings on their court cases to be released on bail – even murder-accused in US often get bail.

"In the name of national security, the immigrants are being stripped of their basic rights," says Aarti Shahani of Families for Freedom, a multi-ethnic defence network for immigrants fighting deportation.

According to Dawn, On April 14, the New York Immigration Coalition, an umbrella organization for 150 groups that work with immigrants and refugees, sent a letter to senators Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer urging them "to take a strong public position against the Real ID Act and to do everything they can to stop this anti-immigrant proposal from passing in Congress."

"Simply put," the letter read, "the Real ID Act is blatantly an anti-immigrant legislation masquerading as a national security initiative."

Sponsors of the bill, which was written by Congressman F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., a Wisconsin Republican and member of the Conservative Political Action Conference, say that by increasing restriction on immigration, they are protecting the United States against future terrorist attacks because perpetrators of 9/11 were all immigrants.

Immigration judges who do not believe the immigrants' claims could order them deported even before their appeals run out, and federal courts would no longer have recourse to step in.

The Bush administration is seeking to deny basic human rights to people in the name of security and this will just ensure an inequitable system from which will rise many cases of wrongful confinement. It may even throw up Iraq’s Abu Ghraib prison kind of abuse of those imprisoned.
 
Let me ask those who can’t wait for this bill to pass a question. If the Asylee cap is not included in this bill, will you still support it?

The Asylee cap and the Iraq fund are secondary incentives to what is actually an anti immigration bill; without them this bill will have little chance of passing.
 
I dont want this law passing even if the cap removal is there...I dont like this new law...for some reason anti-immigration bills have always caused troubles for asylees...even if they are included to benefit some asylees...they are going to hurt more than help.
 
No offense but I have seen many posts regarding this act recently and I am ,frankly,still been confused by some people's claim. How exactly this act will pose negative effect on legal immigrants ? :confused:
 
wantmygcnow said:
I dont want this law passing even if the cap removal is there...I dont like this new law...for some reason anti-immigration bills have always caused troubles for asylees...even if they are included to benefit some asylees...they are going to hurt more than help.

I totally agree. The price is too big.
 
cc7211,

I dont think you are an asylee by looking at your signature. I am assuming you are an H-1 or other form of immigrant..How would you like if a law was about to pass where they banned any new H-1 visa to enter this country or even to adjust the status...
 
wantmygcnow said:
I dont want this law passing even if the cap removal is there...I dont like this new law...for some reason anti-immigration bills have always caused troubles for asylees...even if they are included to benefit some asylees...they are going to hurt more than help.

It may well cause future problems for us. Even with the incentives, the negatives far outweigh the positives. AILA and virtually all other immigration advocates in the country are against this bill.

Plus, I am not going support a bill that is designed to benefit me in the short run and betray the future of all immigrants.
 
It appears that this law has cleared another major hurdle this afternoon. Hopefully it will become the law of the land within the next week or so. This is just outstanding.
 
jackdanie7 said:
Let me ask those who can’t wait for this bill to pass a question. If the Asylee cap is not included in this bill, will you still support it?

The Asylee cap and the Iraq fund are secondary incentives to what is actually an anti immigration bill; without them this bill will have little chance of passing.

Yes I would support the bill without the cap removal provision included because (a) it is needed for homeland security and (b) asylum abuses need to be curbed.
 
HOw the hell its asylum abuse when currently many of the asylum seekers go to hell to get approved then have to wait 15 years to get a GC.

All these so freaking politicans should try to follow an asylum seeker through the rollercoaster rides they take and then decide what is harder then that?

True ASylum laws were abused in early 90's when anyone could apply for an asylum and had to wait 5-10 years for an interview..now a days its 180 days..and i read somewhere that 92% of the cases are accepted or denied within 6 months...

The ASYLUM system here is already tight...they are just making it IMPOSSIBLE to obtain an asylum..period..done..with this law.

These americans havent suffered persecution anywhere..if they had..they would be more lenient towards asylum seekers...I would love to see an american be kicked out of his own house and have to travel to a different country and adapt to the new culture and then be called "LIAR" all over again..

Hampton..are u an asylee??
 
It is an open secret that people file fake asylum applications. It happens in every country that has an asylum system. It is better to remedy the fraud issue before it leads to a major public backlash to the detriment of genuine asylum seekers in the future.

Yes I was an asylee.

Deserving people would still be granted asylum until the new law and go on build successful lives in the United States. This law would only bring the asylum system here closer to that in most other countries. It would reverse the Ninth Circuit's unwarranted expansion of the scope of the refugee definition.

wantmygcnow said:
HOw the hell its asylum abuse when currently many of the asylum seekers go to hell to get approved then have to wait 15 years to get a GC.

All these so freaking politicans should try to follow an asylum seeker through the rollercoaster rides they take and then decide what is harder then that?

True ASylum laws were abused in early 90's when anyone could apply for an asylum and had to wait 5-10 years for an interview..now a days its 180 days..and i read somewhere that 92% of the cases are accepted or denied within 6 months...

The ASYLUM system here is already tight...they are just making it IMPOSSIBLE to obtain an asylum..period..done..with this law.

These americans havent suffered persecution anywhere..if they had..they would be more lenient towards asylum seekers...I would love to see an american be kicked out of his own house and have to travel to a different country and adapt to the new culture and then be called "LIAR" all over again..

Hampton..are u an asylee??
 
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IF an asylum seeker cannot produce evidence of his/her torture...how can they be granted asylum??? ....So lets say 14 year old who doesnt know if he is in U.S or MARS... cant produce any evidence to claim asylum..he/she will be sent back??.... Is that what we are trying to solve here????

So let me see..an asylum seeker running away would say oh wait let me grab this and grab that BECUASSE I have to prove it to americans that I surely was being persecuted...

What about rape victims? Girls who are raped in thier home country because of their parents persecution...how are they going to be helped? Do they have to "PROVE" that she was raped..she has to make sure that she goes to a hospital in her home country and get a report??...

OH and how are we going to be safe? just because we will make everyone show their legal status..will make us safe? How many illegal aliens are actually out on airports?

You are just fooling yourself if you think this law will protect us. Does it make that TSA to look at every passport and verify a visa is there?...Wouldnt that be the safer route? So if someone doesnt have a drivers license..they can still take their national passport and board the plane right?...YOu can still do that..no one looks at any visa or anything.....soo how is it safe?

The safest thing FOR us to do is to bring the illegal aliens up in FRONT..YOu know get them fingerprinted..get them legal so at least we know what we got?..some fingerprints may even match in their homecountry if they commited any crime there...

But introducing a new law which only makes people who are in hiding to hide more can be no help in protecting us..
 
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The bill would require concrete evidence of persecution only when the adjudicator determines that it is reasonable to expect such evidence in light of the specific circumstances of the application. The law would state very cleary that "The testimony of the applicant may be sufficient to sustain the applicant's burden without corroboration, but only if the applicant satisfies the trier of fact that the applicant's testimony is credible, is persuasive, and refers to specific facts sufficient to demonstrate that the applicant is a refugee."

What is wrong with that?

The attacks directed at the REAL ID Act are liberal hyperbole.

wantmygcnow said:
IF an asylum seeker cannot produce evidence of his/her torture...how can they be granted asylum??? ....So lets say 14 year old who doesnt know if he is in U.S or MARS... cant produce any evidence to claim asylum..he/she will be sent back??.... Is that what we are trying to solve here????

So let me see..an asylum seeker running away would say oh wait let me grab this and grab that BECUASSE I have to prove it to americans that I surely was being persecuted...

What about rape victims? Girls who are raped in thier home country because of their parents persecution...how are they going to be helped? Do they have to "PROVE" that she was raped..she has to make sure that she goes to a hospital in her home country and get a report??...

OH and how are we going to be safe? just because we will make everyone show their legal status..will make us safe? How many illegal aliens are actually out on airports?

You are just fooling yourself if you think this law will protect us. Does it make that TSA to look at every passport and verify a visa is there?...Wouldnt that be the safer route? So if someone doesnt have a drivers license..they can still take their national passport and board the plane right?...YOu can still do that..no one looks at any visa or anything.....soo how is it safe?

The safest thing FOR us to do is to bring the illegal aliens up in FRONT..YOu know get them fingerprinted..get them legal so at least we know what we got?..some fingerprints may even match in their homecountry if they commited any crime there...

But introducing a new law which only makes people who are in hiding to hide more can be no help in protecting us..
 
Nothing is wrong with that. But asylum seekers are already viewed as Liars.. when they do give their testmony..so even if they do tell the truth, they are thought of making things up.

The number of asylum officers in the DHS already have their "crap" detector at full blast so no matter what you say to help yourself..it wont be sufficient...

And the problem is that cap removal is an ammendment and when the new bill is written..that MAY or may not be included...
 
hampton8844 said:
The bill would require concrete evidence of persecution only when the adjudicator determines that it is reasonable to expect such evidence in light of the specific circumstances of the application. The law would state very cleary that "The testimony of the applicant may be sufficient to sustain the applicant's burden without corroboration, but only if the applicant satisfies the trier of fact that the applicant's testimony is credible, is persuasive, and refers to specific facts sufficient to demonstrate that the applicant is a refugee."

What is wrong with that?

The attacks directed at the REAL ID Act are liberal hyperbole.
We all go through stages of our moral development. Some people are at a lower level in this process since they want to do the right thing only because the law says so- not because they feel it is right to do so. These people are also incredibly hypocritical. They forget where they come from and they refuse to consider the possibility that someone may only need the same treatment they received. This bill is unfair because it is unfair and not because God damn Republicans say so.
 
hampton8844 said:
It is an open secret that people file fake asylum applications. It happens in every country that has an asylum system. It is better to remedy the fraud issue before it leads to a major public backlash to the detriment of genuine asylum seekers in the future.

Yes I was an asylee.

Deserving people would still be granted asylum until the new law and go on build successful lives in the United States. This law would only bring the asylum system here closer to that in most other countries. It would reverse the Ninth Circuit's unwarranted expansion of the scope of the refugee definition.


I can tell u one thing. People who file fake asylum applications usually have fake documents to support it. People who ran away mignt now have anything at all. let lawmakers think about it. This law will be catastrophy for a lot of people in the future. I wish it will fail.
 
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