Called IIO this morning, just for the heck of it

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gheewalabhai888

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to find out the fp status and since it has elasped more than 450 days and a week or so left for 480 days from RD and since they have estimated on the receipt notice that it is taking between 450 to 480 days... The IIO didn't give any info on dependent because of privacy and he/she need to call separately.

FP was received. IIO said at NSC they are processing "at the moment" the cases from August 22, 2001.

I didn't ask why 60% all Jan and Feb cases are all approved and whether those are McDonald cases? I know they don't know anything more than what is written on the computer screen so no point asking more.
 
gheewalabhai888

Just curious - do you really know as a fact that 80% of all Jan Feb 2003 cases have been actually approved, or at least some kind of initial adjudication had been made on these? And are you sure these are 485 cases and not 140, EAD, or the likes? Lastly, could you tell me where I could definitively get this detail?

Thanks.
 
orca

a substantial percentage of jan/feb 2002 (not 2003) i485 cases have indeed been approved (though perhaps not 80% of them). this info has been gleaned by a VB script that has been floating around, which queries the BCIS online database for i485 case statuses in a given range (hence we know that these are exclusively AOS cases). i hope to post some more info on this later this week.
 
thanks as always, pork.

i think i remember a script of some sort quite a while back, but didn't know head or tail of what to do with it. one more question: how do you know it's a jan/feb 02 case (sorry i keep mentioning 03 - no, i don't wish to wait a year!) - isn't it true that when the approval comes, it simply says "this case has been approved" so this could conceivably be a nov 01 case (also, why, in that case is the Rupnet percentage adjudications so low? one obvious reason might be that Rupnet doesn't represent a statistically significant population, or is - in some other ways - skewed)? could we also know from this enchanted script if some of these cases have been seeing the hallowed light of initial adjudication - say, an RFE, or whatever?

if there are indeed some sporadic jan/feb adjudications, it'll knock me straight off of my chair. i'm early apr 02, and, if my memories serve me right, you're mar 02 too?
 
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orca

the notice date is determined by the 5 digits following the LIN (or EAC/WAC etc.) number, and is therefore quite independent of the dates that show up on BCIS's online status check.

for instance, LIN-02-081-5xxxx means:

LIN: its a Lincoln, Nebraska, case.
02: the INS/BCIS fiscal year, starts oct 1 of the regular human year
119: julian date the notice was issued (i.e. Notice Date); in this case, corresponds to jan 9, 2002.
5xxxx: individual case number. the "5" signifies that the case status info is available online or on AVM.

i picked this particular LIN number because another user, immigrationUSA has been tracking the progress of i485 apps in this series. as of 5/2/03, here is the status of all i485 cases in NSC with notice date jan 9, 2002:


STAUS.....COUNT..PERCENTAGE
---------------------------
Approved....231.......32.62
Received....257.......36.29
FPed........163.......23.02
RFEed........24........3.38
Transferred..15........2.11
Other........18........2.54


as you can see, almost a third of the 485 cases filed on jan 9, 2002 are approved!

my RD/ND is feb 2002. i am hoping to post similar stats for my ND later this week.

about rupnet, it is both statistically not significant, judging by the number of i485 cases filed on the above date alone, as well as skewed: the vast majority of rupnet's registered users are from the indian subcontinent.
 
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WOW! PORK!

at the risk of sounding a retard, i'll still digress...

this was just mind-boggling - to think someone did THIS, and you understand THAT - BCIS should just plain hand over GC's to you guys - and i'm serious!

in your post, i got stuck (no wonder!) on the following lines:

you say:
119: julian date the notice was issued (i.e. Notice Date); in this case, corresponds to jan 9, 2002.
now, how would LIN-02-081-5xxxx correspond to jan 9th, if i may ask?
and what does 119 mean - isn't this jan 19th instead? or is this counting the days starting from oct 1 the previous year like you suggest - which in this case should be 101 or something?
is there any way of knowing these cases are 485 cases prior to doing the script run?

explanations, please?
 
orca, yes as Pork mentioned it is

closer to 60% (but it has not moved a decimal since the end of april). The script can be modified to any service center.
you just need to mention the range 5xxxx to 5xxxx and should not exceed more than 300 or so. i have tracked jan/feb and found about(~) 60 percent or so. Pork, have you tracked your Feb range? How much has been approved on yours?
 
oops!

the "119" was a typo (or a "thinko"): that is from my own LIN number. what i meant to write was "081", from the LIN number series that i had used as my example. the 081 would mean 81 days since oct 1 of 2001. however, it is usually assumed that it is the number of working days, not calendar days. you will find many threads where people who have actually counted the number of days have posted that it does not add up exactly however you count, and the consensus was that INS/BCIS has a concept of "working days" all its own.

the real wow goes to the developer of the script. as yet, s/he has not stepped up to take the credit for it; kudos to you, whoever you are.
 
Pork Chop , could you please double check how case numbers are assigned ?

My Notice Date is sometime in September 2002 and my I-485 case number is

LIN-02-2**-*****

If every year the counter was to be re-set on Oct 1st , then my case number would have been (considering the BCIS is using Julian dates)

LIN-02-3**-***** (365 days in a year)

and starting Oct 1 , 2002 , all the case numbers would have been LIN-03-***-****

I am sure there is some logic to it , just not sure what it is. :confused:

Also , how does the script check if the case is a I-485 case ? It could be a EAD or an AP (I-131) case too
 
ghee,

i am in the process of collating the data for LIN-02-119-5xxx (ND feb 25, 2002) now. hope to have it done by the end of the week. my employer has a curious penchant to have me work on their tasks, which keeps me from doing useful things...
 
maverick1976 and orca

i guess my use of "julian date" was somewhat misleading, as it is not calendar days; the BCIS describes this number as "the computer workday in the fiscal year on which the fee was taken". one assumes that the "computer workday" corresponds more or less to the number of working days (no weekends, or federal/state holidays etc.). anyway, here is what NSC has on its website:

For most applications filed at a Service Center, your receipt may look like this: LIN 99 001 50001. In this example, the LIN represents the Nebraska Service Center, where the application was initially received into the electronic system. Cases that are filed at or received by another Service Center but processed at the NSC will generally carry the designation of the originating Service Center:

LIN = Lincoln, Nebraska or NSC
EAC = St. Albans, Vermont or VSC
SRC= Dallas, Texas or TSC
WAC= Laguna Niguel, California or CSC

In the example above:

The 99 represents the fiscal year (October 1, through September 30) in which the case was received.
The 001 represents the computer workday in the fiscal year on which the fee was taken.
The 50001 represents the particular case number.
For cases with particular case numbers starting with a 5, electronic case status information is available.... For cases with particular case numbers starting with a 0, you must write to request the status of your case.


here's the url for this document: http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/fieldoffices/SCNational/index.htm#D

hope this helps!
 
Although the fiscal year of the INS (as well as all other federal agencies) begins on Oct. 01 of each year, I believe the daycount numbering system of INS computers resets on Sep. 01. So, for example, if INS collects the fees on an application on Sep. 01, 2001, the no. assigned to the application would be something like XXX 02001XXXXX. I have read somewhere that fee collection work, handled perhaps by INS's contractors, is carried out on saturdays as well and hence the count appears to be generally consistent with a six day work week. This is the hypothesis that comes closest to a 'true' result when tested on rupnet data.

Here is a challenge to all the brilliant transplants out there: Can you come up with a device that can get you into the head of an INS director:p :p
 
one more silly question

this script running business almost gives you nirvana. i mean, literally. is there any way it could be slowed down to note down the 485 approvals from the flashing screens?
 
On Sep 21 2002 Saturday, there were more than 2000 reciepts generated in the Lin number range LIN-02-291-5xxxx.
I think this may be helpful in your analysis.
 
You mean it is like watching a Pearl Jam music video??;) ;)

What purpose will it serve to note down the I-485 numbers? The script actually queries the INS website about each individual case number and collates the results. I would imagine that it would be as easy to have the script to compile the entire data including each case number and the related status.
 
Thanks Pork ..... u r the best

If the numbers are based on working days , does that mean that the folks at BCIS work 6 days a week ?

Cuz my ND is in the end of Sept. and my case number is
LIN-02-29*-5****

So , say 365 days a year

365 - 52 (Sundays) - 15 (holidays in a year) = 298 which makes sense. :D

Btw , is there a source code for the script or is it an executable / .class file ?

Once Again .. thanks every one .. its good news to learn that they are processing Jan and Feb 2002 cases. :)
 
How can you say that all the lins are related to 485.. They could be related to other things like h1,h4 etc..
 
Sankrityayan

Basically, I was asking how I could even KNOW where my LIN is in that Pearl Jam thingie - it's passing like a crazy train. And, for the purpose of statistical data analysis like the one Pork has provided, you do need to jot things down on pen and paper from the flashing screen, don't you? Is there a better way out, or am I missing something here?
 
Good Question aarp001

How do we know if these are I-485 cases ?

Unless the script shows you the approval screen and they check that the approval is for AOS (i-485) and not EAD , I-131 or any other case or if there is a String search on I-485 or some thing like that... how do we know for sure that these are i-485 cases ?

Pardon my cynicism .. but we are dealing with the BCIS here.
 
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