BS != 3 yr BSC + 2 yr PG Dip in Engg + M.Tech

[kgp]

If requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp. And the Alien has these qualification:

5 Yr Exp plus:
B.Sc(3 Yr) Maths & Physics + 2 Yr PG Diploma in Engineering (equivalent to M.Sc in India) from IIT + M.Tech in Engineering from Indian Institute of Technology
What are the chances that NSC will Deny this case based on Not a Single 4 year Bachelors Degree?

Can this Masters from institutes like IIT be a proof that Alien posses a Bachelors degree or more?

Entery into M.Tech is based on a 4 yr Bachelors Degree or M.Sc.

Or once the requirement on Labor says Bachelors then NSC does not care about higher degree like Masters or even P.HD (Doctors Degree) etc.

 

[A0001]

Did you get labor approval? Please let me know.

If requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp. And the Alien has these qualification:

5 Yr Exp plus:
B.Sc(3 Yr) Maths & Physics + 2 Yr PG Diploma in Engineering (equivalent to M.Sc in India) from IIT + M.Tech in Engineering from Indian Institute of Technology
What are the chances that NSC will Deny this case based on Not a Single 4 year Bachelors Degree?

Can this Masters from institutes like IIT be a proof that Alien posses a Bachelors degree or more?

Entery into M.Tech is based on a 4 yr Bachelors Degree or M.Sc.

Or once the requirement on Labor says Bachelors then NSC does not care about higher degree like Masters or even P.HD (Doctors Degree) etc.

 

[kgp]

A0001, Yes I got Labor Approval, Initially (jan 2002) it was applied as BS+5 OR MS+3, but when this approval came my attorney is telling that sometime in 2004 they sent new ETA (please don't ask me why? comp or attorney will not provide copy of ETA ) with: requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp.

Can you pleaseeeeeeee help me with my previous question?

Did you get labor approval? Please let me know.

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Originally Posted by kgp
If requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp. And the Alien has these qualification:

5 Yr Exp plus:
B.Sc(3 Yr) Maths & Physics + 2 Yr PG Diploma in Engineering (equivalent to M.Sc in India) from IIT + M.Tech in Engineering from Indian Institute of Technology
What are the chances that NSC will Deny this case based on Not a Single 4 year Bachelors Degree?

Can this Masters from institutes like IIT be a proof that Alien posses a Bachelors degree or more?

Entery into M.Tech is based on a 4 yr Bachelors Degree or M.Sc.

Or once the requirement on Labor says Bachelors then NSC does not care about higher degree like Masters or even P.HD (Doctors Degree) etc.
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[A0001]

A0001, Yes I got Labor Approval, Initially (jan 2002) it was applied as BS+5 OR MS+3, but when this approval came my attorney is telling that sometime in 2004 they sent new ETA (please don't ask me why? comp or attorney will not provide copy of ETA ) with: requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp.


ask what is the prority date on this. OLD ETA - attorney may subtituted for others
You can check with DOL if you have any records on old ETA


Can you pleaseeeeeeee help me with my previous question?

You know what NSC looking for EB proffesional. (SEE isingh case in other 3 year degree thread).







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Originally Posted by kgp
If requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp. And the Alien has these qualification:

5 Yr Exp plus:
B.Sc(3 Yr) Maths & Physics + 2 Yr PG Diploma in Engineering (equivalent to M.Sc in India) from IIT + M.Tech in Engineering from Indian Institute of Technology
What are the chances that NSC will Deny this case based on Not a Single 4 year Bachelors Degree?

Can this Masters from institutes like IIT be a proof that Alien posses a Bachelors degree or more?

Entery into M.Tech is based on a 4 yr Bachelors Degree or M.Sc.

Or once the requirement on Labor says Bachelors then NSC does not care about higher degree like Masters or even P.HD (Doctors Degree) etc.
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[kgp]

Originally Posted by kgp
A0001, Yes I got Labor Approval, Initially (jan 2002) it was applied as BS+5 OR MS+3, but when this approval came my attorney is telling that sometime in 2004 they sent new ETA (please don't ask me why? comp or attorney will not provide copy of ETA ) with: requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp.


ask what is the prority date on this. OLD ETA - attorney may subtituted for others
It has oroginal PD of Jan 2002, I got a copy of cover letter which BEC sent to alien it has original PD everything same but different Job Title instead of Software Engg now it has computer support specialist, Attorney was replaced so at the time of changing attorney they sent another ETA i believe as an ammendment.
You can check with DOL if you have any records on old ETA
It took 5 years to get it contacting DOL again may take few years.
Can you pleaseeeeeeee help me with my previous question?

You know what NSC looking for EB proffesional. (SEE isingh case in other 3 year degree thread).

 

[desi3933]

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requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp.


Do you have a single degree that is equivalent to requirement in labor?
That may be the key question.

If combination of degrees is mentioned in labor, probably you should be ok.
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[kgp]

I don't understand how these People (Attorney OR my HR) submitted new ETA 750 without my signature, which has BS+2yr requirement? I signed on the previous ETA which says BS+5yr or Masters + 3 yr, Approval came for BS+2yr, and I never signed this.

 

[A0001]

That mean You got PD Jan 2002. am I right? So amended JOB position requirements.

I don't understand how these People (Attorney OR my HR) submitted new ETA 750 without my signature, which has BS+2yr requirement? I signed on the previous ETA which says BS+5yr or Masters + 3 yr, Approval came for BS+2yr, and I never signed this.

 

[kgp]

A0001, you are right, but Attorney or company is not telling much about it. PD is same Jan 2002. I told this Attorney that I have 3 yrs Degree + 2 yr + Masters and NSC does not accept combination of Degree, She just said don't worry you will be fine. But I am not fine since last 5 yrs they are saying same thing then something wrong happens and they just say that there is nothing they can do about it. Its a big law firm charging I guess huge money from my big company. So they try to make cases complicated so there will be issues and they will make money to respond to those issues. one of my other friend in my same group / same company applied LC same day thru other attorney when mine was applied, his LC came Oct 2002 then Manager delayed Next stage for 12 month but still this person got his Green Card in Jan 2005.

That mean You got PD Jan 2002. am I right? So amended JOB position requirements.

 

[anilt75]

"I don't understand how these People (Attorney OR my HR) submitted new ETA 750 without my signature, which has BS+2yr requirement? I signed on the previous ETA which says BS+5yr or Masters + 3 yr, Approval came for BS+2yr, and I never signed this. "

Kgp,

You dont have to sign the amendment if the form is related to employer(ETA750A?) or changes do not reflect any of your personal information(ETA 750B?).

However, something is really fishy about this amendment. Generally, DOL does not approve amendments that impact job requirement. If MS + 3 or BS + 5 was original requirement, they should not have approved the amendment to exclude MS degree from the job requirement without calling for recruitment efforts by the employer again(advertisement etc.,). Sometimes things slip through. I really wonder why they did it without your knowledge?

Other members can weigh in their options:

* Get an evaluation that equates M.Tech from IIT to BS in US (although it is much more than that). Show that entry into M.Tech requires 4 years of college education?

* Get an evaluation that equates M.Tech from IIT to MS in US and show that you are obviously qualified for the job that requires a BS?

* If labor allows for "combination of degrees", combine Bsc+ diploma + MTech and pursue the case under EB3.

Good luck,
Anil

 

[A0001]

I believe it is NON RIR case.

"I don't understand how these People (Attorney OR my HR) submitted new ETA 750 without my signature, which has BS+2yr requirement? I signed on the previous ETA which says BS+5yr or Masters + 3 yr, Approval came for BS+2yr, and I never signed this. "

Kgp,

You dont have to sign the amendment if the form is related to employer(ETA750A?) or changes do not reflect any of your personal information(ETA 750B?).

However, something is really fishy about this amendment. Generally, DOL does not approve amendments that impact job requirement. If MS + 3 or BS + 5 was original requirement, they should not have approved the amendment to exclude MS degree from the job requirement without calling for recruitment efforts by the employer again(advertisement etc.,). Sometimes things slip through. I really wonder why they did it without your knowledge?

Other members can weigh in their options:

* Get an evaluation that equates M.Tech from IIT to BS in US (although it is much more than that). Show that entry into M.Tech requires 4 years of college education?

* Get an evaluation that equates M.Tech from IIT to MS in US and show that you are obviously qualified for the job that requires a BS?

* If labor allows for "combination of degrees", combine Bsc+ diploma + MTech and pursue the case under EB3.

Good luck,
Anil

 

[kgp]

Anil Thanks so much.
It was a RIR case recruitment etc report was submitted with Original application Jan 2002.
fyi: there is a address change in my personal information, my address was also changed But without notifying me. I remember at one point in 2004 they asked me about my home address at that time I gave them my new address, even the latter from BEC came to my new address.

"I don't understand how these People (Attorney OR my HR) submitted new ETA 750 without my signature, which has BS+2yr requirement? I signed on the previous ETA which says BS+5yr or Masters + 3 yr, Approval came for BS+2yr, and I never signed this. "

Kgp,

You dont have to sign the amendment if the form is related to employer(ETA750A?) or changes do not reflect any of your personal information(ETA 750B?).

However, something is really fishy about this amendment. Generally, DOL does not approve amendments that impact job requirement. If MS + 3 or BS + 5 was original requirement, they should not have approved the amendment to exclude MS degree from the job requirement without calling for recruitment efforts by the employer again(advertisement etc.,). Sometimes things slip through. I really wonder why they did it without your knowledge?

Other members can weigh in their options:

* Get an evaluation that equates M.Tech from IIT to BS in US (although it is much more than that). Show that entry into M.Tech requires 4 years of college education?

* Get an evaluation that equates M.Tech from IIT to MS in US and show that you are obviously qualified for the job that requires a BS?

* If labor allows for "combination of degrees", combine Bsc+ diploma + MTech and pursue the case under EB3.

Good luck,
Anil

 

[A0001]

Please try to collect all documents related to your LABOR. Attorney can NOT change and DOL may nOT accept change for position related as AnilT discussed above.

DO NOT FILE 140 - wait some more time to debug the issue.

Anil Thanks so much.
It was a RIR case recruitment etc report was submitted with Original application Jan 2002.
fyi: there is a address change in my personal information, my address was also changed But without notifying me. I remember at one point in 2004 they asked me about my home address at that time I gave them my new address, even the latter from BEC came to my new address.

 

[kgp]

There is nothing in my hand, my attorney is preparing and planning to file in 2-3 weeks from now they take enough time to DELAY the process, only chance they may delay for few month if I request them to file as early as possible, this is what you get if you work with one of the largest company in the world. Attorney / Company will not provide any info to me. They says its company property. I am getting good info from everybody here. Only option I may have is how to present my Education & skills to meet the requirement.

Please try to collect all documents related to your LABOR. Attorney can NOT change and DOL may nOT accept change for position related as AnilT discussed above.

DO NOT FILE 140 - wait some more time to debug the issue.

 

[A0001]

You will be the victime. So, You have to control the things before going to bad. because - you aware the immigration things. Try to make , back up plans now it self.

There is nothing in my hand, my attorney is preparing and planning to file in 2-3 weeks from now they take enough time to DELAY the process, only chance they may delay for few month if I request them to file as early as possible, this is what you get if you work with one of the largest company in the world. Attorney / Company will not provide any info to me. They says its company property. I am getting good info from everybody here. Only option I may have is how to present my Education & skills to meet the requirement.

 

[kgp]

Anil & A0001.
I don't want to loose my 5 years of wait, insted of filling a new labor now I will prefer to leave US.
I am thinking about Anils suggestion:
Get an evaluation that equates M.Tech from IIT to BS in US (although it is much more than that). Show that entry into M.Tech requires 4 years of college education?

Question: I have a evaluation done in 2000 which equates That: my 3 yrs Bachelors in Math & physics plus 2 year PG Diploma in Engineering is equivalent to 4 YEARS US bachelors degree and my M.Tech from IIT is equivalent to a 2 years US Masters Degree. Option on BS + 2 YR PG Diploma equates to 4 year degree is no longer acceptable to NSC as combination of degree.

What you people suggest about M.Tech equivalent to Masters in US or M.Tech equivalent to Bachelors in US. (Note that Labor requires Bachelors or equivalent)

Do you suggest to get another evaluation simply saying M.Tech equ. to BS in US. or Do you think same letter should work which says 3 YR BS + 2 YR Dip ~= 4 yr Bachelor and M.Tech ~= 2 yr Masters

Do you think that a NSC will consider that if a Person has masters then definitly he has a Bachelors and even if Labor requires a bachelors, having Masters does not matter what was bachelor 3 yr or 4 yr, NSC will consider this?

You will be the victime. So, You have to control the things before going to bad. because - you aware the immigration things. Try to make , back up plans now it self.

 

[A0001]

There may be loopholes in your ETA/LABOR. Once again Please POST 100% exact details in 14/15 columns of ETA.

If requirement on Labor is Bachelors Degree or Equivalent in Maths, Physics or Engineering plus 2 yr exp. .

 

[kgp]

A0001, Thanks but even I don't know exact details of ETA 14 / 15, based on what attorney told me over the phone that COL 14: BACHELORS DEGREE OR EQUIVALENT IN MATHS, PHYSICS, Computers Or Engineering + 2 year exp, Col 15: BLANK. Again I don't know how true is this, That is why I am worried wheather NSC will consider me qualified for this considering that I have Masters Degree equivalent of US Masters Degree in Engineering, As my Bachelors is 3 years + 2 year PG Diploma + Masters in Engineering..

There may be loopholes in your ETA/LABOR. Once again Please POST 100% exact details in 14/15 columns of ETA.

 

[anilt75]

Kgp,

"Thanks but even I don't know exact details of ETA 14 / 15, based on what attorney told me over the phone that COL 14: BACHELORS DEGREE OR EQUIVALENT IN MATHS, PHYSICS, Computers Or Engineering + 2 year exp, Col 15: BLANK."

--The way things are now, one thing is for sure, if you have combination of degrees to show that it is equivalent to BS and your column#15 is blanks, the case is not going to fly unless you have tremendous amount of luck.

I threw my 2 cents worth in suggesting few options in the previous post. Toss it out to your attorney or other forum members and see if you find more options. Get everyone's opinion and go for the best one.

As for the big company , big lawyer and big lawfirm you are talking about, let me suggest you one thing: This is your career. Not theirs. Dont get all bogged down by their size. Either fight to steer things your way or simply sit tight and see them screw it up even further. If you are going to loose 5 years of waiting period anyways, why not put up a fight and loose? Put your step down and be firm about what you want to do from now on.They screwed up your case real bad by making that stupid amendment.You are a qualified person. IIT is known to be one of the top institutes in the world. Good chunk of MS degrees in US dont stand up to that standard. I dont understand why we shy away from corporate beaurocracy. I am not instigating you to get all angry. But start a dialog with attorney and your company officials.

Tell you manager that you want to discuss immigration issue with the attorney and if company is not willing to pay for the time, you would do it.
You cannot let this pass.

Now to the options you have. Put a hold on applying for I-140 right away. Ask your attorney what the strategy is going to be. Gather as many options you can from the forums here. Discuss with your attorney and go for the best one.

A0001 and UN,

What do you think is the best option here?

* Can KGP equate his M.Tech to MS in US and apply for I-140?

* Should he equate M.Tech to BS in US and apply for I-140? By standard , it is higher than BS, but the number of years is less than four.

KGP,

No matter what you do, try to get your appliaiton through Texas Service Center. You cannot afford to ignore this.

Good luck,
Anil

 

[kgp]

anilt75, Thanks very much, I will ask to get my 140 delayed, I am looking forward for suggestions from this forum including you, UN, A0001 and other Gurus here.

FYI: My attorney has a web site to check status of our cases: They have info there that it will be a EB32, I don't know what this 2 means after EB3.

Kgp,

"Thanks but even I don't know exact details of ETA 14 / 15, based on what attorney told me over the phone that COL 14: BACHELORS DEGREE OR EQUIVALENT IN MATHS, PHYSICS, Computers Or Engineering + 2 year exp, Col 15: BLANK."

--The way things are now, one thing is for sure, if you have combination of degrees to show that it is equivalent to BS and your column#15 is blanks, the case is not going to fly unless you have tremendous amount of luck.

I threw my 2 cents worth in suggesting few options in the previous post. Toss it out to your attorney or other forum members and see if you find more options. Get everyone's opinion and go for the best one.

As for the big company , big lawyer and big lawfirm you are talking about, let me suggest you one thing: This is your career. Not theirs. Dont get all bogged down by their size. Either fight to steer things your way or simply sit tight and see them screw it up even further. If you are going to loose 5 years of waiting period anyways, why not put up a fight and loose? Put your step down and be firm about what you want to do from now on.They screwed up your case real bad by making that stupid amendment.You are a qualified person. IIT is known to be one of the top institutes in the world. Good chunk of MS degrees in US dont stand up to that standard. I dont understand why we shy away from corporate beaurocracy. I am not instigating you to get all angry. But start a dialog with attorney and your company officials.

Tell you manager that you want to discuss immigration issue with the attorney and if company is not willing to pay for the time, you would do it.
You cannot let this pass.

Now to the options you have. Put a hold on applying for I-140 right away. Ask your attorney what the strategy is going to be. Gather as many options you can from the forums here. Discuss with your attorney and go for the best one.

A0001 and UN,

What do you think is the best option here?

* Can KGP equate his M.Tech to MS in US and apply for I-140?

* Should he equate M.Tech to BS in US and apply for I-140? By standard , it is higher than BS, but the number of years is less than four.

KGP,

No matter what you do, try to get your appliaiton through Texas Service Center. You cannot afford to ignore this.

Good luck,
Anil