Breaking NEWS: Senate revives immigration bill (WSJ)

It has finally come to pass

I have been monitoring this website over years and has gathered alot of info from it. It is very beneficial. Good Job!

On the other hand this site is like a dictatorship government, if some persons expressed their opinion, they will be pulled by the moderators, who comes under pressure from individuals or other sites.

What we are here complaining about not benefitting from this Bill, which is due to start debate next week. Well I must say, it stinks for us all legals (I being EB3) but I am not suprised, history speaks for itself.

Everybody is now talking about for us organizing, therby taking a page out of the illegals book. But shame on us all. Remember SAWART and others were encouraging us to do so, and came under fire from us. From my understanding, the moderator of this forum was pressured by IV and some members of this site to pull the plug on sawart and others and yet we are here taking about corrupt polititians. SHAME!! Lets look in our own house first.

But let us all unite and stop the fussing and find a way to get our concerns addressed, cause the current bill has some improvement for us, if you will all just read it.

UNITE and moderators of this forum clean up your act and let people free to address their concern, and every member should have their say, even if it is controversial.
 
Gravitation, based on what Sen. Specter and others have reported, they didn't even make an assessment or study on this. There is no planning. This is not about being pessimistic or not, it is about a fact.

Remember that it is not only a matter of creating a separate category for illegals. It is about resources to process the workload. Even if they attempt to process a simple "Employment Authorization Card" or something equivalent to illegals, do you think that could overhelm the USCIS ? You are talking about 11-20 million people + any visitor who arrived here and may take a shot at USCIS and see if they get the sweet greencard as well. Insane.

See commentary and let me know if that doesn't make sense:

May 7th, 2006:
Commentary: A THIRD WAY
By Mark Krikorian

Special to The Palm Beach Post

Sunday, May 07, 2006

By MARK KRIKORIAN


"...The Department of Homeland Security is choking on immigration, with a backlog of 4 million applications, and the agency's inability to stop or even detect fraud was sharply criticized in a recent report from the Government Accountability Office. It is absurd to suggest that millions of additional applicants could be successfully screened and vetted and tracked by a broken agency that is incapable of meeting even its current responsibilities.

We've tried unrealistic mandates like this before and the results were disastrous. The closest parallel is the 1986 legalization program; about 3 million illegal aliens applied for amnesty, and 90 percent were approved. Hundreds of thousands of fraudulent applications were approved, many presenting fake proof of employment - sometimes as flimsy as a handwritten note on a scrap of paper - and offering ludicrous stories such as, "I've picked watermelons from trees..."


gravitation said:
Does CIR have a new category for illegals for do they shove 'm all in EB3?

I'd say, the people who filed LC's before CIR passes will be better off than the illegals, who'll be behind them in the queue.

There may be some chaos in the beginning, but not as much as in past -due to more use of IT- but all in all it might be more beneficial than not due to increased visa numbers.

People who file their LC's a year or two from now might indeed be in deep du-du; poor devils.
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The only way to process 12mill applications would be to farm it out to a private contractor as a for-profit venture.

4 years ago, the goverment abolished the ability for 'religious workers' to get green-cards basically by bringing a note from their priest. There was a deadline before all applications had to be processed. In their infinite wisdom, the goverment pulled all the adjudicators that usually process change and extension of status requests for student visas in order to finish the religious workers backlog before the deadline. As a result, a whole semester worth of college students got a## #####, some of them had to buy airline tickets in a hurry or ended up with overstays. The resources of USCIS are finite. For any new program, the beneficiaries of the existing programs get f#####. Unless a new immigration bill either comes with a for-profit component to it or the goverment pours large amounts of money into the system, it will be a disaster for anyone legal.
You can just pray to god (or gods, whatever your religious persuasion is), that none of these immigration bills comes to pass. Retrogression stinks, but you will long back to the days when you at least had a prospect of getting a GC within the next 5 years if any of these laws pass (it will be like the situation for the asylum based guys who have to wait 15-20 years until their GC gets approved).
 
I miss the days that one was expected to get the greencard in 3 years or so.


hadron said:
The only way to process 12mill applications would be to farm it out to a private contractor as a for-profit venture.

4 years ago, the goverment abolished the ability for 'religious workers' to get green-cards basically by bringing a note from their priest. There was a deadline before all applications had to be processed. In their infinite wisdom, the goverment pulled all the adjudicators that usually process change and extension of status requests for student visas in order to finish the religious workers backlog before the deadline. As a result, a whole semester worth of college students got a## #####, some of them had to buy airline tickets in a hurry or ended up with overstays. The resources of USCIS are finite. For any new program, the beneficiaries of the existing programs get f#####. Unless a new immigration bill either comes with a for-profit component to it or the goverment pours large amounts of money into the system, it will be a disaster for anyone legal.
You can just pray to god (or gods, whatever your religious persuasion is), that none of these immigration bills comes to pass. Retrogression stinks, but you will long back to the days when you at least had a prospect of getting a GC within the next 5 years if any of these laws pass (it will be like the situation for the asylum based guys who have to wait 15-20 years until their GC gets approved).
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I miss the days that one was expected to get the greencard in 3 years or so.
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I miss the days that:
- your employer went to the local INS office with a letter from the state labor office that there is no qualified help available and filled out a couple of forms. A couple of weeks later, the 'laborer' went to the INS office, paid a fee, got interviewed and received a GC.

- my great-great-great-uncle (a priest) went to the INS office, posted a bond (to guard against the chance of his nieces and nephews becoming indingent) and went home with 5 approved immigrant petitions. All my grandfathers sister had to do was to get a steamship ticket to NYC. Upon arrival, an x-ray was taken and she was handed her green-card (which was indeed green at the time).

The US did very well in these times, new areas where settled, industries needed workers and except for some xenophobes, everyone agreed on the fact that immigration,land speculation and fake railway stock are what makes this country tick.
 
Everything is a mess, read carefully

The current bill is blessing, but is dangerous in the long run: carefully crafted.. here is the trick. The numbers for EB visas will increase, but EB1 and EB2 will decrease in per country limit, but the numbers per year will stack up the same, so basically this does'nt help you much. EB3 will increase to 30% per country limit, but ha! ha! Sounds good for EB3?, remember there will be over 12 million people adjusting and plenty sure to fall in EB3..God bless thoose who will be filing after this signed into law...Greencard maybe in 15 years. Those in the system already is on the lucky side, they will see a Greencard in a quicker time. The USIS is least in this, because they can process more than enough applications to meet the yearly number. Remember this is a priority date thing.

God help us to see greencards issuance stop dead in its track when they reach a priority date at least DEC 06..If this bill makes it into law by then
 
Interpreting the CIR bill

I don't know how many people here have actually read the CIR bill... but I did a google on it and read the sections on illegals. They are getting a very good deal out of this if it passes.
For those who have been in this country illegals for at least 5 years, they only need to show 3 years of employment AND it doesn't even need to be a specific job or same employer! The words used was "adjustment of status" so I don't even know if this means they skip the LCA and 140 phase and go straight to the 485 phase. No specific wording on whether they get their own queue/category or would take the visa numbers from our side.
All in all, it's a very very good deal for them.
For us, just promises to increase H1B and GC numbers, with no reform on making the LCA/140/485 processing simpler and faster.

If this bill was that game show I would have said N-O D-E-A-L!! :(
 
ufo2002 said:
I don't know how many people here have actually read the CIR bill... but I did a google on it and read the sections on illegals. They are getting a very good deal out of this if it passes.
For those who have been in this country illegals for at least 5 years,
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If we stop right here and think that last amnesty deadline was April 2001 which is 5years and 2 weeks ago, if bill signed right now it does not sound too bad :)
 
VVK I think you may have a point here. All those illegals who missed the boat at 245(I) deadline will fall in this category today.
Also I remeber president was saying in a speach that Illegals will have to be in a queue after legals. So we may be safe.
But I dont know how will they implement this if PPL are struck waiting to file 485. May be these guys can join in the middle of queue between those who filed 485 and those who are waiting. Wierd. HUH. :rolleyes: We still have to wait for final version instead of speculating.
 
Tune to immigrationvoice.org for CIR managers amendment

Tune to immigrationvoice.org for CIR managers amendment. IV will have the analysis updated in 15 mins
 
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