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ayyubov

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Hi everybody. I don't know what to do. Seems that nobody in INS customer service knows about nunc-pro-tunc for asylees. They said that if asylee derived status from somebody that person don't need to fill out anything when getting married or reaching age of 21. My regional asylum office never called back (I left a message). My wife is 20 andwe got married 5 monthes ago. What should I do. What if we won't fiil out that stupid nonc-pro-tunc. Will they deport her, fine her or arrest her? Please whoever faced that before help me out with advise.

Thank you.
 
ayyubov said:
Hi everybody. I don't know what to do. Seems that nobody in INS customer service knows about nunc-pro-tunc for asylees. They said that if asylee derived status from somebody that person don't need to fill out anything when getting married or reaching age of 21. My regional asylum office never called back (I left a message). My wife is 20 andwe got married 5 monthes ago. What should I do. What if we won't fiil out that stupid nonc-pro-tunc. Will they deport her, fine her or arrest her? Please whoever faced that before help me out with advise.

Thank you.


Hello ayyubov
U know what? u are not the only person that actually wants to know more about the nunc pro tunc. I always wondered how it really works and everything. I think that the Child Status protection act signed by Bush some years ago protects also wifes( derivatives) so she does not have to apply for nunc pro tunc anymore..that's my understanding. I am not a lawyer. I wish somebody in this forum could give you a better explanation :(
 
My word of advice - consult a lawyer. You need to be getting your information from a reliable source. This is your spouse - don't take a chance with CIS.
 
Yeah I agree. But I was wondering if anybody actually faced it before. INS rep. didn't have any idea about it and was repeating to me that she doesn't have to do a thing.
Her exact wordsw were:

Sir did your wife derived an asylum status from her father?
Yes
Then why would she apply for asylum again
That is what your rules says. It's a nunc pro tunc application.
No she already have an asylum status.

That's what happened.

I'm still looking for some info. Then I will talk to the lawyer.
 
Nunc pro tunc applications are such a technical and obscure area of an already obscure immigration subfield (asylum) that you simply cannot expect an immigration information officer to know anything about it. Even for much more mundane immigration law questions, they tend to give you inaccurate information. Calling the 800 number will not do you any good.



ayyubov said:
Yeah I agree. But I was wondering if anybody actually faced it before. INS rep. didn't have any idea about it and was repeating to me that she doesn't have to do a thing.
Her exact wordsw were:

Sir did your wife derived an asylum status from her father?
Yes
Then why would she apply for asylum again
That is what your rules says. It's a nunc pro tunc application.
No she already have an asylum status.

That's what happened.

I'm still looking for some info. Then I will talk to the lawyer.
 
Here you go

Ayyubov,
Here is an old post by Peach where she talked about Nunc Pro Tunc for Derivative asylees in an extensive manner. Hope it answers your question.

If your “friend” gets married it would have a major issue on her adjustment.
She has a derivative asylum status. In order to get her GC she must stay “a child” for as long as it takes.
After she gets married she won’t qualify as a dependent, will lose the derivative status and won’t be eligible to adjust her status to the permanent resident anymore as a derivative.
She should file Nunc-pro-tunc alylum application in order to proceed with GC.
According to Affirmative Asylum Procedures Manual she only has one year after “getting aware of lose of derivative status” (means one year after you two get married) to apply for Nunc-pro-tunc .
It shouldn’t be a problem. She won’t have to prove any fear of prosecutions and her status will be backdated to the date she got her derivative status.
BUT – she cannot include you (the husband) in her Nunc-pro-tunc application or petition I-730, Refugee/Asylee Relative Petition for you. If she wishes to include you in her grant of asylum, she must file a regular principal asylum application (Form I-589) and be interviewed on its merits. If approved, the approval cannot be dated back to the original date of the grant of derivative status.
She would have to start over and file another I-485 after a year of her grant of asylum.
She will file I-730 for you, and, after it gets approved, you’ll get your EAD,
And then, in about another 10 to 14 years – the green card.
If during the interview asylum officer think she has no fear to go back home, or for any other reasons he/she will find her ineligible and deny her application – your wife will face deportation and big $$ to appeal for both of you.

The “follow to join” has nothing to do with asylum applicants and by marrying her now you will not get a green card any time soon. In order to derive benefits from a primary applicant, the relationship (parent/child and husband/wife) must exist BEFORE the application for asylum gets approved.
Sorry, but this is how it works.

Furthermore: the fact your fiancé had her fingerprints taken in July 2004 means nothing. Just a standard procedure before a long-long wait. If she filed I-485 in July 2003 then her turn for the Green Card will be somewhere in Oct. 1, 2013-Sept. 30, 2014 .
Check this out: http://uscis.gov/graphics/fieldoffi...a/asyleeadj.htm

You might have to let her file a Nunc-pro-tunc on her own and wait till she gets her GC and sponsor you. Or you can try your employer. But… I am just a person at the computer, who been waiting for my own GC for too long.
You should definitely talk to the god immigration lawyer about your best option.
Good luck!
 
I think it doesn't happening that way. First of all the nunc pro tunc app should file all derived asylees by reaching age of 21 or married. The only place where that damn nunc pro tunc is mentioned is a web page for I 485. Nobody never recieved any kind of nottice. Even Asylum Approval letter doesn't mention anything about it.
And one more thing: How an asylee who got it when was 14 can prove a fear of persecution after 12 years?
What I think that it is not a mandfatory procedure. They can't deport an asylee because she got married or reached age of 21 and never filled out a form for it.
I'm aqsking again: Did anybody ever filled out that nunc pro tunc. This question is only to derived asylees.
Thank you.
 
a link for you

ayyubov said:
I think it doesn't happening that way. First of all the nunc pro tunc app should file all derived asylees by reaching age of 21 or married. The only place where that damn nunc pro tunc is mentioned is a web page for I 485. Nobody never recieved any kind of nottice. Even Asylum Approval letter doesn't mention anything about it.
And one more thing: How an asylee who got it when was 14 can prove a fear of persecution after 12 years?
What I think that it is not a mandfatory procedure. They can't deport an asylee because she got married or reached age of 21 and never filled out a form for it.
I'm aqsking again: Did anybody ever filled out that nunc pro tunc. This question is only to derived asylees.
Thank you.




ayyubov, Hello!
I did not file nunc pro tunc and I won’t (my “one-year” condition is over),
but while considering filing it I widely researched this topic and I asked same questions like you now. Sadly, no one on this forum had gone through nunc pro tunc before.
From what I learned – the child status protection act, which was signed in 2002, applies only to unmarried children over 21. Your wife cannot benefit from that any longer and, I am afraid, she has to file nunc pro tunc
The message above (one that Punjabi_Munda referenced) was written to someone, who is not in the legal immigration status and wanted to derive benefits from his derivative asylee wife. In his case, his wife will have to be interviewed and questioned about her fear of prosecution.
But for you and your wife (since you an aslylee yourself already) it will be different.
Your wife’s nunc pro tunc application will be just a formality.
INS doesn’t have any special forms to file nunc pro tunc. Your wife will have to use Form I-589 and write in big black marker on the front “nunc pro tunc”. She will have to reference her father’s approved application there and staple a copy of her own derivative approval.
All those questions about prosecution doesn’t apply to your wife. She won’t have to prove anything to nobody. Her father did this already for them all long time ago.
If she won’t file it, then I don’t know what might happen. I don’t think they will deport her, it’s just so unreasonable. They might give her a hard time for “not following the procedures”. But, if even the INS representatives cannot give you a competent answer, then who are we to know, right?
One of the members of our forum, Irina C, had a similar problem with her older child.
When her family was finally approved, her son, over 21 at that time, was the only one left. After almost a year INS finally approved him too. Without nunc pro tunc.

As for the reading material, I will give you a link to the
AFFIRMATIVE ASYLUM PROCEDURES MANUAL :
http://uscis.gov/graphics/lawsregs/handbook/AffrmAsyManFNL.pdf
there is a lot of information about derivative asylum and nunc pro tunc filing.
Start reading from a page #70 and Good luck!
 
Thank you for such a sompetent answer. We are going to go ahead and file the I 589 form and I will title it as a non pro tunc.

Again. Thank you.
 
Since there is so much discussion about nunc-pro-tunc.. I thought I would pose a question here...

What happens if you have already been approved and got you temp green-card?
(As in .. you are a derivative and got married while you were waiting for the 485 approval phase. And now you 485 has been approved). Do you still sit there and worry about it or can you got ahead and apply I-130 for you spouse?

Any thoughts/ideas? I know that the INS officials have no clue about it.
 
I would file I-130.

mwalam said:
Since there is so much discussion about nunc-pro-tunc.. I thought I would pose a question here...

What happens if you have already been approved and got you temp green-card?
(As in .. you are a derivative and got married while you were waiting for the 485 approval phase. And now you 485 has been approved). Do you still sit there and worry about it or can you got ahead and apply I-130 for you spouse?

Any thoughts/ideas? I know that the INS officials have no clue about it.



You have a GC right? The actual plastic card in your hands? So why would you still worry about it? You can go ahead and file I-130 for your spouse just like any other permanent resident in this country.
Although it would take a while for your spouse to get a GC that way, so here is a word of advice: as soon as you get naturalized – rush and upgrade your I-130 application to speed up the process.

P.S. did you just said “derivative asylee… got married while I-485 pending… got approved for a GC” and all without nunc pro tunc mess?
You might have the answers Ayyubov is seeking...
 
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