Ask for help about selective service letter

kx2006

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I am preparing for the interview for US citizenship and sent the request for selective service status letter out two weeks ago. I got the reply today and it said I need more document to proof my visa status from 01/01/94 to 09/28/94. That is the time I graduated from one school in summer and transferred to another school for advanced degree in fall. Since F-1 visa do not have particular end date, I do not know how to proof my visa status for this period. I already sent all my I-20 to them last time. Any idea for that?

Thanks
 
kx2006 said:
I am preparing for the interview for US citizenship and sent the request for selective service status letter out two weeks ago. I got the reply today and it said I need more document to proof my visa status from 01/01/94 to 09/28/94. That is the time I graduated from one school in summer and transferred to another school for advanced degree in fall. Since F-1 visa do not have particular end date, I do not know how to proof my visa status for this period. I already sent all my I-20 to them last time. Any idea for that?

Thanks

You were F1 at that time so no SSS is needed. Don't bother unnecessary information.
 
True, but perhaps the SSA was trying to determine if he was out of status from 01/01/94 to 09/28/94, which would of course mean he needed to register.
 
screw that...i had similar issues with SS and I just threw away their letter asking for more info. I was 31 when I got my GC so I dont care..
 
Kx2006:

Because you were on a non-immigrant visa you were not required to register. However, if your status changed before you reach the age of 26, you are required to register.

I wouldn't say screw that so quickly. The age you received your GC doesn't excluded you from the SS requirements. If you are in this country as an immigrant under any status (before the age of 25), you are required to register. Take a look below:

NON-CITIZENS
Some non-citizens are required to register. Others are not. Non-citizens who are not required to register with Selective Service include men who are in the U.S. on student or visitor visas and men who are part of a diplomatic or trade mission and their families. Almost all other male non-citizens are required to register, including illegal aliens, legal permanent residents, and refugees. The
general rule is that if a male non-citizen takes up residency in the U.S. before his 26th birthday, he must register with Selective Service. For a more detailed list of which non-citizens must register, see the Who Must Register for Selective Service Chart


I hope this helps

Newly
 
Selective Service Status Letter

A friend of mine who got the interview letter also got an accompanying letter which listed the kind of documents that one should bring for the interview...in that (quoting from memory here) I saw the following...

if you did not register with Selective Service and if you are 1) male 2) over 26 yrs old AND 3) were a Permanent Resident between the ages of 18 and 26, you should bring a Status Information Letter from Selective Service.

So, from the above would I be wrong if I infer that if one got their GC when they are, say 30, that they do not have to get a Status Information Letter from Selective Service?
 
I had same kind of questions about SS. Having browsed the forum for a month now,
I don't think there are answers here yet.

I checked http://www.sss.gov/
http://www.sss.gov/MUST.HTM shows Lawful non-immigrants on visas won't need
register.
H-1B visa holders are not in the example lists.
Just want to confirm here H-1B visa holder won't need to register. Anybody knew about this?


Specifically for myself
I changed from F1 to H1B at the age of 24
changed from H1B to green card at 26 years and 11 months olds
Did I need to register?
(I never received any letter about registeration. just
knew it recently when i began to take a look at N400 form)


Should I get the request for selective service status letter earlier before N400?
I will begin the citizenship application in this December.


Thanks! I will also post the answers if i can figure them out.
 
Here is a link:

http://www.shusterman.com/natz-ss99.html

For those who want to read more about the requirements.


On another note. H-1B is a nonimmigrant Visa therefore you were not required to register. However, you still need a "Status Information Letter." So I would make a request for a status information letter as soon as possible. Be sure to provide the necesary information.


Here is another link with the instruction:

http://www.sss.gov/instructions.html
 
ky2006,

I think they want to know your status between 1/1 to 9/28. If you were in school send them the copies of transcript, get a letter from the school that you were enroll, school ID copies or any doc which you think can proof that you were going to the school will help. I had the same case and they ask me additional info and i gave them tons of it so they approve it later. you can search by my name to go to my posts.
As far as IO, Yes Sir, they will ask you for the SS letter and if you dont have it in hand they can delay your case (this all dependes upon the IO itself, some of them are cool and the rest of them are like got you). My IO very specifically ask me to provide the SS letter and Traffic ticket prrofs. And I can swear If i dont have them I will be still waiting for my approval. So dont be slack and try to do whatever you can to get the SS leter. I know by law you dont need to register if you are on a non-immigrant visa like F-1 but the proof of burden is on you not them. You need to proof them beyond doubt that you dont need to register.
 
Thanks for all replies

I got my greencard at 32. I know it is not required but I just want to be well prepared for the interview. I will send them my transcript and hope it works.

Thanks everyone!
 
Selective Service Status Letter

One quick question though...CIS says...

if you did not register with Selective Service and if you are 1) male 2) over 26 yrs old AND 3) were a Permanent Resident between the ages of 18 and 26, you should bring a Status Information Letter from Selective Service.

So, does that mean that people who got their GC when they are say 30, do not have to get the Status Info Letter?
 
boatbod said:
True, but perhaps the SSA was trying to determine if he was out of status from 01/01/94 to 09/28/94, which would of course mean he needed to register.

USCIS will determine if he is out of status, not ssa. If he is F1 than he is not required to register. If he is out of status, he has more problem of that than a ssa.
 
NewlyMinted said:
Here is a link:

http://www.shusterman.com/natz-ss99.html

For those who want to read more about the requirements.


On another note. H-1B is a nonimmigrant Visa therefore you were not required to register. However, you still need a "Status Information Letter." So I would make a request for a status information letter as soon as possible. Be sure to provide the necesary information.


Here is another link with the instruction:

http://www.sss.gov/instructions.html

What do you mean still need? He does not need any letters. Read the instruction.
 
wireless1 said:
ky2006,

I think they want to know your status between 1/1 to 9/28. If you were in school send them the copies of transcript, get a letter from the school that you were enroll, school ID copies or any doc which you think can proof that you were going to the school will help. I had the same case and they ask me additional info and i gave them tons of it so they approve it later. you can search by my name to go to my posts.
As far as IO, Yes Sir, they will ask you for the SS letter and if you dont have it in hand they can delay your case (this all dependes upon the IO itself, some of them are cool and the rest of them are like got you). My IO very specifically ask me to provide the SS letter and Traffic ticket prrofs. And I can swear If i dont have them I will be still waiting for my approval. So dont be slack and try to do whatever you can to get the SS leter. I know by law you dont need to register if you are on a non-immigrant visa like F-1 but the proof of burden is on you not them. You need to proof them beyond doubt that you dont need to register.

Your green card will show when you become resident. And all your status information is in their system. So there is no need to show SS letter. There is no proof of burden issue here.
 
va1234 said:
One quick question though...CIS says...

if you did not register with Selective Service and if you are 1) male 2) over 26 yrs old AND 3) were a Permanent Resident between the ages of 18 and 26, you should bring a Status Information Letter from Selective Service.

So, does that mean that people who got their GC when they are say 30, do not have to get the Status Info Letter?

Absolutely correct.
 
naturalizer123 said:
Absolutely correct.

Well not exactly... check this from section 7 of the adjudicators guide:

(B) Applicant Under Age 26. Male applicants who are younger than 26 at the time of filing for naturalization must provide evidence of having registered prior to the adjudication of the application. If the applicant has not registered you should determine if the applicant knowingly and willfully failed to register. If this is the case, and the applicant refuses to register for the Selective Service, he should be denied for lack of attachment and not being well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States. [See section 316(a)(3) of the Act.] If the applicant has not registered with Selective Service, but this failure to register was not knowing or willful, you should continue the case until the applicant demonstrates that he has registered with Selective Service. [See General Counsel Opinion 98-6 and Chapter 72.4 of this manual.] Advise the applicant to register with the Selective Service and provide USCIS with a copy of the registration letter or status information letter discussed in the memorandum Corrections to a Guide to Naturalization and the Effect of Failure to Register for the Selective Service on Naturalization Eligibility, dated February 16, 1999, located in Appendix 74-7.

(C) Applicant Between the Ages of 26 and 31. In cases where the applicant has filed for naturalization between the ages of 26-31, he no longer has a duty to register with Selective Service [50 USC 453(a)]. However, you can still deny the application if the applicant knowingly and willfully failed to register with Selective Service when he was younger than 26 [50 USC 462(g)]. Note that the burden of proof falls on the applicant to establish that the failure to register was not knowing and willful. See General Counsel Opinion 98-6 and Chapter 72.4 of this manual. The applicant should provide USCIS the status information letter discussed in the memorandum located in Appendix 74-7.

These applicants must establish that they did not knowingly and willfully fail to register, and should be advised to:

• Contact the Selective Srevice and complete the Selective Service's Questionaire Form (Males born after March 29, 1957);

• Receive a 'status information letter' from the Selective Service;

• Send the status information letter to the USCIS as discussed in Appendix 74-7.

(D) Applicant Older than 31. If the applicant files after his 31st birthday, more than five years will have elapsed since his failure to register. Therefore, the failure to register will have occurred outside the period during which the applicant must show that he is of good moral character. This means that even if the applicant willfully and knowingly failed to register with the Selective Service, this fact would not, in and of itself, be a bar to eligibility so long as the applicant has currently satisfied the good moral character requirements of section 316(a)(3) of the Act. However, if the failure to register was willful and knowing, you can consider this fact with other evidence concerning the applicant’s compliance with section 316(a)(3). The applicant should provide the status information letter discussed in the memorandum located in Appendix 74-7.

These applicants must establish that they did not knowingly and willfully fail to register, and should be advised to:

• Call the Selective Service's toll-free number (1-888-688-6888) and complete the Selective Service System's Questionnaire Form (Males born before March 29, 1957 should call 703-605-4047);

• Receive a 'status information letter' from Selective Service;

• Send the status information letter to the USCIS, as discussed in Appendix 74-7.​
 
boatbod said:
Well not exactly... check this from section 7 of the adjudicators guide:

(B) Applicant Under Age 26. Male applicants who are younger than 26 at the time of filing for naturalization must provide evidence of having registered prior to the adjudication of the application. If the applicant has not registered you should determine if the applicant knowingly and willfully failed to register. If this is the case, and the applicant refuses to register for the Selective Service, he should be denied for lack of attachment and not being well disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States. [See section 316(a)(3) of the Act.] If the applicant has not registered with Selective Service, but this failure to register was not knowing or willful, you should continue the case until the applicant demonstrates that he has registered with Selective Service. [See General Counsel Opinion 98-6 and Chapter 72.4 of this manual.] Advise the applicant to register with the Selective Service and provide USCIS with a copy of the registration letter or status information letter discussed in the memorandum Corrections to a Guide to Naturalization and the Effect of Failure to Register for the Selective Service on Naturalization Eligibility, dated February 16, 1999, located in Appendix 74-7.

(C) Applicant Between the Ages of 26 and 31. In cases where the applicant has filed for naturalization between the ages of 26-31, he no longer has a duty to register with Selective Service [50 USC 453(a)]. However, you can still deny the application if the applicant knowingly and willfully failed to register with Selective Service when he was younger than 26 [50 USC 462(g)]. Note that the burden of proof falls on the applicant to establish that the failure to register was not knowing and willful. See General Counsel Opinion 98-6 and Chapter 72.4 of this manual. The applicant should provide USCIS the status information letter discussed in the memorandum located in Appendix 74-7.

These applicants must establish that they did not knowingly and willfully fail to register, and should be advised to:

• Contact the Selective Srevice and complete the Selective Service's Questionaire Form (Males born after March 29, 1957);

• Receive a 'status information letter' from the Selective Service;

• Send the status information letter to the USCIS as discussed in Appendix 74-7.

(D) Applicant Older than 31. If the applicant files after his 31st birthday, more than five years will have elapsed since his failure to register. Therefore, the failure to register will have occurred outside the period during which the applicant must show that he is of good moral character. This means that even if the applicant willfully and knowingly failed to register with the Selective Service, this fact would not, in and of itself, be a bar to eligibility so long as the applicant has currently satisfied the good moral character requirements of section 316(a)(3) of the Act. However, if the failure to register was willful and knowing, you can consider this fact with other evidence concerning the applicant’s compliance with section 316(a)(3). The applicant should provide the status information letter discussed in the memorandum located in Appendix 74-7.

These applicants must establish that they did not knowingly and willfully fail to register, and should be advised to:

• Call the Selective Service's toll-free number (1-888-688-6888) and complete the Selective Service System's Questionnaire Form (Males born before March 29, 1957 should call 703-605-4047);

• Receive a 'status information letter' from Selective Service;

• Send the status information letter to the USCIS, as discussed in Appendix 74-7.​

Please refer to the specific clause that supports your statement and I will show where you interpret wrong. Don't post a book chapter here.
 
Actually I can read, but thank you for asking.

If you care to read it yourself, you'll see it says you must be 31 or older to completely ignore the requirements of SS registration. Those between 26 and 31 need not register now, but must still be able to prove they had been registered, were exempt, or had not willfully not-registered.

I posted the entire section covering SS registration because I thought it might be interesting to people asking the SS questions. Sorry you disagreed, but maybe you could have just ignored it?
 
kx2006:
I am in the same situation as yours. SIL(status information letter) is not required for me. But just sent the request for it anyway today. Thank you, newly and all others!


kx2006 said:
I got my greencard at 32. I know it is not required but I just want to be well prepared for the interview. I will send them my transcript and hope it works.

Thanks everyone!
 
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