Are we NRIS or Indians???

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Indians are everywhere, just as Chinese are everywhere.This is not surprising, considering that there are billions of them and some are apt to stray out of their own countries, just to have a look at what the world is like. Even then, there are not as many as one would expect. There are only 20 million Indians living outside India, which is just two per cent.

Ninety-eight per cent of Indians still live in the country of their birth, just like the Chinese. Then why do we make such a fuss over this tiny fraction, many of whom have never been to India and have only a vague idea of what India is? The government spent over Rs 15 crore on last week's jamboree in Delhi, which was attended by less than two thousand overseas Indians. It must be either because they were not interested in India or could not afford to come.

The government messed up the jamboree, as governments always do. Most overseas Indians went back dissatified with the jatra and said so loudly. They were subjected to an avalanche of boring speeches from politicians, something they could have done without. Did the politicians invite them just to grab the headlines? There was nothing, for instance, in what the prime minister told them. So why did they come and why were they invited?

As usual the sting is in the tail. And this tail will keep wagging long after the jatra is over. The overseas Indians have been offered dual citizenship, which turns out to be not quite what it sounds like. It is not dual citizenship but dual nationality. They will get the Indian equivalent of a green card and will probably have to shell out a good many dollars for it. And what do they get out of this green card? The right to buy property and reside in India, which I wonder whether they are really keen on.

I am not at all impressed by this NRI hype, because to me most of them are not Indians at all. They or their ancestors left India a long time ago, plainly because they were not satisfied with their life here and wanted to improve their prospects.There is nothing wrong with this; after all, we are always changing our jobs to improve our prospects. So what's wrong if we change our countries? But are they really Indians? Is V S Naipaul an Indian, and in what way?

His ancestors left or abandoned India probably a century ago as indentured labourers, and have not been back since. Naipaul did not marry an Indian. He settled down in England and married an English woman. His second wife, who made such a fuss about Gujarat and asked sharp questions about it, is actually a Pakistani. What a Pakistani woman was doing at a gathering of Indians I do not know. But how does all this make Naipaul an Indian, even an overseas Indian?

He carries a British passport and no doubt sings `God save the Queen' at public meetings. If he applies for dual citizenship and gets a PIO card, he will be both a Britisher and an Indian. Can a man be both at the same time?

What about his loyalties? If there is a war between Britain and India, which country will he side with? Of course, there is not going to be a war between Britain and India, but it's a question of principle.

I do not think some of these people are Indian at all and should never have been invited to the jamboree. Many of them don't speak any of the Indian languages. Naipaul made his reputation making fun of Indians.He said at one point that he disliked India and Indians, no doubt because he considered himself a pucca Englishman. He had said that ours was a wounded civilization and the country would amount to nothing. Now he comes back with his Pakistani wife and has become as NRI. Should we consider him an NRI?

Then there is the argument that NRIs are filthy rich and we should use them to get some cash out of them for our own development. NRIs have, of course, done well but so have Indians who have never stepped outside India. We are always being told about Swraj Paul who has now become Lord Swraj Paul. But what is so special about him?

There are hundreds of Swraj Pauls in India in terms of business size. But is there a single Dhirubhai Ambani among the NRIs? Dhirubhai built up his business single-handedly in India and never stepped out of India. And his business is worth all the NRI businesses put together. It is true that NRIs make more money than the Indians they left behind. This is because they work in an environment in which everybody makes more money than his or her counterpart in India. Take a policeman. An Indian policeman probably makes no more than 5,000 rupees a month and probably lives in a slum. This is equivalent to just one hundred US dollars.

In the US, policemen make 30 to 40,000 dollars a year and they live in proper houses, drive a car and take their families on vacations in Italy and France. We are a poor country; they belong to a rich country and the difference shows in their respective incomes.

In my view,the Pravasi Bharatiya Diwas was totally uncalled for. Most of the people whom we invited were not Indians at all.Some of them, like V S Naipaul, have no links with India, even emotional links. In what way is Amartya Sen an Indian? He has spent most of his professional life outside India. What is his Indian connection? The only thing Indian about him is that he was born in India. But so were millions of others, so what?

To be an Indian, either a genuine Indian or an NRI, there must be some connection between him and India. You should be working among Indian communities abroad and do something for them. You should visit India regularly and do some work in India. For instance, the green card that the US government gives foreigners is for them to attend to their work in the US. If you have no work in the US and do not visit America regularly, your card is withdrawn and handed over to someone else. You have no inherent right to a green card. It is given for some purpose. That should be the case with an Indian card too.

The surprising thing is that while we are honouring NRIs and PIOs, there are millions of Indians who want to quit India and be just that NRIs. I would say that, given the opportunity, every other Indian would like to be an NRI if he can. Hundreds of thousands of families are trying to emigrate to western countries, where they think they will have a better living than they have in India now.

Ninety per cent of Indian students in the US and UK never come back. They try and get a job in those countries and remain there by hook or crook. Seventy per cent of all IIT graduates leave for the US and never come back.

This is also the case with thousands of Indian tourists who somehow manage to get a job and do the vanishing trick. Some of these people will one day become writers and economists and software programmers in California or New York or Manchester.

They will one day return to India to claim their PIO card,and will no doubt be dined and wined by the Advanis and Vajpayees, who will lecture them on what a wonderful country India is, and how grateful we are to these Johnnies for thinking of obliging us by asking for PIO card.

Can hypocrisy be more blatant? There is not a single Indian official or politician who does not have a son or daughter in the US or UK.

They have all packed off their sons and daughters to the US while drawing up programmes for the tenth five-year plan in Yojana Bhavan, and are just waiting to follow their families as soon as they reach retirement age and jump the queue.

Every morning, thousands of Indians line up outside embassies Chanakyapuri in Delhi to get their visas. At one time, they consisted of farmers from Ludhiana and Jullunder. Now they consist of young men and women from middle class families who are fed up with this country and are in a tearing hurry to find a job in New York or New Jersey. Among them are editors of business magazines, correspondents national newspapers and kathakali dancers from Trivandrum.

Why are they leaving India? To better their prospects, they say. They come from good families, have good jobs, many have houses of their own which they are trying to sell and get out. In what way are they different from the grandfathers of Naipaul & Co? The Naipauls left India because they had nothing of their own. They had no land, no home, no nothing. They had only their bodies.

Most of them never came back. Their grandsons have made good and are now among the elites of those countries. But this is nothing very special. If you live a country for a hundred years and go school and college you are bound make it good some day.

India is too big and too poor a country to provide decent livelihood to all its sons and daughters. This has happened in other countries too, like, for instance, Ireland. For years, rather decades, Ireland could survive only by exporting its children. They emigrated to America where after years of hard work, they became policemen 50% of New York policemen are Irish building workers, taxi drivers, and some, like John Kennedy, became presidents. I am quite sure this will also be the case with Indians.

One of these days, an Indian will become a US senator and maybe even a state governor. If there can be an Irish president, why not an Indian state governor? But this is nothing to boast about. The Irish don't boast about Kennedy, nor about George W Bush, who is also of Irish descent. They don't hold Pravasi Diwas and give them dual citizenships. Of what use is a dual citizenship from India when millions of Indians are actually trying to leave India and find a place elsewhere?


Why should we hold a jamboree honour them, as if their going away was itself an honourable act? In fact, they should honour us, for it is India that has produced them. Without Mother India, there could be no Naipauls or Sens or Rampals. We should honour Mother India, Bharatmata, not her NRI children who abandoned her at the first opportunity, and left her shores for good.
 
NRI- Non Resident INDIANS
so NRIs are also Indians-----this is as simple as this you don't need such big articles on this forum for such irrelevant issues
 
About the article

I didnt even have to go thru the whole thing but the author looks like some jealous bastard who couldnt stand the idea of people recongized for their achievements...sadly this reminds me of the story with indian scorpions on a ship.

Why cant we be impressed by achievements of our people? I think the more we honor successful people of indian origin, the better the world will respect us! These people have overcome a lot of the racial biases that some of us face at work to achieve something of real worth. We should be proud of it.

About abandoning, all of us fought for what we have now. We needed more and we couldnt get it back home. I know some people will give examples of Ambani and Premji, but how many Ambanis can we really have? Vinod Khosla said that he definitely couldnt do what he does here if he was in India and I believe him. Things are not easy. We can be proud of our nation but there are some harsh realities.
 
Bakshi!!

The big world doesnt require "SMALL" persons like you ......

That article is meant for people like you .....
 
SVSS

Alright big brother you keep enjoying your big world I am happy in my small world and don't want such Bullshit Articles, ye sab aapko hi mubarak ho badhe bhai !
 
Re: About the article

Originally posted by patienceGC
I know some people will give examples of Ambani and Premji, but how many Ambanis can we really have? Vinod Khosla said that he definitely couldnt do what he does here if he was in India and I believe him. Things are not easy. We can be proud of our nation but there are some harsh realities.

Well every country has harsh realities. USA is not a dream land. Wake up.

If u can't become an Ambani in India, do u think u can become one here. I absolutely doubt it?


Can u post the link to Vinod Khosla's quote. I believe u'r misquoting him.
 
The author of the article seems to be confused. Some of the statements were misleading. It is unfortunate that the author does not know that the people who went as indentured labor into the West Indies or to Africa didn't go out of free will. They have been forced to go out.
Again, the author raised the question of loyalty which was resolved by Vajpayee himself when he announced that first loyalty should go to the adapted place. India at present is not giving voting rights for dual citizenship holders.
I am of the view that first loyalty should go to the place where one decided to stay..

And to me all this question of loyalty are false bogeys and nothing else...how does an individual loyalty matters if you have proper systems in place unless one is in really top positions . I never understood that how citizenship guarantees/ensures loyalty....?

The author is expressing his frustation when he says that given a chance everyone want to New York and New Jersey as foreign correspondent.


-rajum
 
Very good and true article. While we should be willing to criticize ourselves, our system to make things better, we don't want those NRI's who criticize and do very little to change it.
 
Truth is always bitter......and so is the article.

But, No matter how we react to the article, can we escape the truth?
 
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Please!!

VS Naipaul is the biggest mistake of mankind! His statements, read rhetoric, are purely publicity gimmicks. How dare he let his Puki wife question the DPM of our country? Can she explain the genocide that is going on in Pakistan and Bangladesh, where Hindus are constantly being hunted down, raped, pillaged and killed?

He's talking about freedom, if his wife had posed a similar question to the president or vice-president of the US, guess what, she would have found herself being out of status and a mysterious connection established between her and some ol' mullah in Pakistan!! Or worse, can she question "Pervert" Musharraf about his stint as a dictator without being branded as a traitor and getting beheaded??

Screw Naipaul, screw his Puki-terrorist wife and screw his pseudo-English-saab attitude! He will be made to realize the bit of brown he has in him someday -- hopefully in a not too pleasant manner.

I have two words for VS Naipaul -- Get your head out of your wife's Puki ass! (Well, thats more than two words, but you know what I mean, right guys?)

Moving on to more promising topics: December 2001 approvals, anyone? :)
 
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Well.. the writer of the article does appear to come down as a hard ass jealous charachter.
Ok. I agree that Vinod Khosla has done something for our nation as do most high profile NRIs. For love of their country or for publicity god knows.
But the masses of NRIs do what for India??? This 15 crore thingy was just to ensure that these rich, fat cows remain bound to the country with dual citizenship.
Fact of life if you adopt a lifestyle of a country and intend to live there for the forseeable future then you also intend to become a citizen of the country. Makes life and residency an easier option.
As much as I am not criticizing the actions of the country for we are all an offspring of that mother (rich well not in my case). It is a harsh reality that India is coming to terms with that it is losing it's wealthy citizens along with brain power and hence this jamboree.
As for us, should we do something for our country - absolutely. Just by sending a few hundered dollars home every year in the name of charity, are we done with our contribution assisted our felow citizens? No. But that is what our involvement has been relegated down to. And that is what the writer hopes to imply with his article.
The idea of a mother welcoming back her children after they left home for a better life and never looked back. And as for us are we the black sheep, the prodigal son/daughter or the saviors? It is for us to decide. Not him and certainly not anybody else.
 
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Well ..

Intersting Article but ignores some of the harsh reality. I can understand India honoring Kalpana Chawala, or care so much for Mr. Rushdi because they were born there, but don't understand why India cared so much for Jhumpa Lahiri. She was born in India and brought up in America. She wrote stories that make readers think that all the Indians live sad life. Well she was the first woman of Indian descent to win the highest prize in American literature. Her simple writing reminds of Hemingway etc. etc. May be all the Indian politicians want her to write more about India, render a false picture of India, and win more prizes. They take pride in her name appearing in foreign media.
I support the author's point of not honoring these so called heros. They have nothing to do with India but they use her to build some imaginations which made them rich and famous. A loyal Indian would be one who gives away his/her GC or citizenship and decides to go back to India. Who decides to contribute to her defense, use knowledge that he/she gained at her own expense at IIT, these are the heros India should be honoring. I know there are a few, one in million but honor them. They are the one who care about "the land of sacrifice" where they came from.

There was a joke that I heard from a person who engineered the biggest financial scam in Indian history. I had posted that joke here in the past but I need to refer it again. There is a lab that contains various crabs from accross the globe. The scientist incharge of the lab is giving a tour to a group of people. "These are crabs from Italy, these are from Australia, there are from India. Suddenly people notice a striking difference in the containers that these crabs are stored. The container with Indian crabs in it is left open from top while all others are tightly closed and they aks the scientist why is it so. The scientist says don't worry. They are Indian crabs. If one crab tries to escape, all other pull him down. No single crab has ever escaped from the container and will never escape."

But still many Indians overcome this resistance, many times a tangible, and succeed. No doubt India is a great place, rich history, fine culture, smart people. There is something that makes many Indians leave their homeland and settle elsewhere. Sometimes they have to sustain discrimination, they feel isolated from the very society they choose to live in. They are treated differently. People like to make fun of their accent, their curry, its smell etc. But they still decide to live there, they work hard so that their posterity would live a better life.

This would be quite obvious for some, and not for many others, to explain its very cause. The exodus from India will continue no matter what happens in the global poilitical arena. They are pursuing their dream, a "Non-Indian dream."
 
OK Guys , There is nothing wrong in people leaving India for better opportunities, there is no such thing as "Brain drain" , currently Indias population and so does enemployment is sky high so people leaving India is actually blessing in disguise.

There is also nothing wrong in Government hosting jamboree if it is financed by the NRI's and Indian Government is doing all this to attract foreign investemt in India, to make India a better place.

But I agree with Author of this great article that all this should not come at the expence of Indian people, this should not be done so that it will divide the society, we should give birth to feeling that somehow NRI's are something special.

Give NRI's due respect , make it easy for them to invest and create more job in India, don't hassel them unnecessarily, it should all be done from Bussiness mind. NO SPECIAL TREATMENT.

THEY ARE NOT ABOVE INDIAN LIFES, NO MATTER HOW WEALTHY THEY ARE, NO MATTER WHAT IS THEIR ACCOMPLISHMENT

IF THEY HAVE GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT TO THEIR CREDIT OUTSIDE INDIA AND THEY ARE DOING AT LEAST SOMETHING FOR INDIA THEN MAKE THEM INDIAN HERO.
 
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