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It is a good step by the American Bar Association (ABA), but note that this does not have any connection to official governmental action. ABA's House of Delegates is the policy making body for the largest voluntary professional association in the world. The 539 delegates debate and adopt draft policies allowing the ABA to take an official position and advocate the issue. The recommended policy will be discussed in the mid-year meeting of the ABA in Salt Lake City that will begin on Wednesday, February 9.

If the ABA adopts the policy supporting the repeal of the annual numerical caps, it will join a number of professional, civic and community groups asking Congress to remove the cap. ABA may use whatever clout it has in Congress to push for the reform. Will it work? Who knows, but it is better than nothing. Some of the other favorite headliners supporting the move are the American Civil Liberties Union, the American Immigration Lawyers Association, Amnesty International USA, Human Rights First (f.k.a. Lawyers Committee for Human Rights) , National Council of La Raza, People For the American Way and Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs.

ukulele said:
Did you guys know about this?

http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cach...r/summary/112.doc+asylee+green+card+cap&hl=en

It's dated this month. Sounds promising, but I'm sure it'll take FOREVER before something happens.
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And the problem is that these are by and large liberal-leaning groups. Liberals are out of power in both elected branches of the federal government (and probably will be for a long time). To have a real chance of passage, a remedy for the 10K cap needs to have the support of conservative organizations.



TortFeasor said:
It is a good step by the American Bar Association (ABA), but note that this does not have any connection to official governmental action. ABA's House of Delegates is the policy making body for the largest voluntary professional association in the world. The 539 delegates debate and adopt draft policies allowing the ABA to take an official position and advocate the issue. The recommended policy will be discussed in the mid-year meeting of the ABA in Salt Lake City that will begin on Wednesday, February 9.

If the ABA adopts the policy supporting the repeal of the annual numerical caps, it will join a number of professional, civic and community groups asking Congress to remove the cap. ABA may use whatever clout it has in Congress to push for the reform. Will it work? Who knows, but it is better than nothing. Some of the other favorite headliners supporting the move are the American Civil Liberties Union, the American Immigration Lawyers Association, Amnesty International USA, Human Rights First (f.k.a. Lawyers Committee for Human Rights) , National Council of La Raza, People For the American Way and Washington Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights and Urban Affairs.
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Didn't congress pass a similar bill in the early eighties removing greencard caps for asylees? I hope this bill goes through. A number of friends from my country were resettled here as refugees and they have already got their GCs, their GCs was back dated to the day they arrived in the US, why couldn't they do the same for asylees? Logically asylees and refugees are the same, but ofcourse for UCIS the word LOGIC doesn't exist in their vocabulary
 
May we start that list?

Would you suggest a list we can send our pleas for support?

For starters, the following is a good start:

1. The KKK

2. The Christian Coalition

3. Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) (please visit www.fairus.org and see what nice plans this commendable organization led by a descendant of Armenian immigrants is planning)

4. Oh, while we are at it, Hillary "I kiss ass to get elected" Clinton For President 2008

5. The American Cause (led by another descendant of immigrants, Patrick J. Buchanan)

Please add to the list.


hampton8844 said:
And the problem is that these are by and large liberal-leaning groups. Liberals are out of power in both elected branches of the federal government (and probably will be for a long time). To have a real chance of passage, a remedy for the 10K cap needs to have the support of conservative organizations.
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Keep barking and screaming. For the foreseeable future that is all so-called liberals can do anyway. They are incapable of accomplishing anything, not when your flip-flopping candidate for president was defeated in 97% of counties across America. So just keep screaming and making fun of conservative Americans who are the majority in this country.




TortFeasor said:
Would you suggest a list we can send our pleas for support?

For starters, the following is a good start:

1. The KKK

2. The Christian Coalition

3. Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) (please visit www.fairus.org and see what nice plans this commendable organization led by a descendant of Armenian immigrants is planning)

4. Oh, while we are at it, Hillary "I kiss ass to get elected" Clinton For President 2008

5. The American Cause (led by another descendant of immigrants, Patrick J. Buchanan)

Please add to the list.
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hampton8844 said:
And the problem is that these are by and large liberal-leaning groups. Liberals are out of power in both elected branches of the federal government (and probably will be for a long time). To have a real chance of passage, a remedy for the 10K cap needs to have the support of conservative organizations.
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Message on target. People like Senator Pat Roberts and Rep. Christopher Smith are the people we need.
 
I am afraid you are missing the point. My reference to Clinton should have been a clue as to the fact that party affiliation is not my concern. Name one "conservative" organization that will join my list of organizations above in seeking repeal of the arbitrary cap on asylee adjustment. That is the issue here.

If you think the cap should not be repealed or that asylum applicants need to show an affidavit from their persecutors to prove their credibility (what Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner, Jr. is seeking to introduce in Congress), I am afraid you are in the wrong forum. I am sure there are many venues available to undertake immigrant bashing.

Furthermore, please note that one of the fundamental cornerstones of American constitutionalism is that majoritarian whims need to be tempered with protection for the rights of the minority. In advocating respect of individual rights, I give a rat's ass as to what the majority thinks.

Cheerio


kiev said:
Keep barking and screaming. For the foreseeable future that is all so-called liberals can do anyway. They are incapable of accomplishing anything, not when your flip-flopping candidate for president was defeated in 97% of counties across America. So just keep screaming and making fun of conservative Americans who are the majority in this country.
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kiev said:
Message on target. People like Senator Pat Roberts and Rep. Christopher Smith are the people we need.
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Are you for real? Pat Roberts helping pagans to settle in his Christian country? Why can not you get a grip?
 
kiev said:
Message on target. People like Senator Pat Roberts and Rep. Christopher Smith are the people we need.
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I do not think there is a Senator Pat Roberts. Did you mean Senator Sam Browback of Kansas? He is a conservative Republican and is very supportive of refugees. So is Rep. Smith,who represents my parents' district in NJ. He is a good guy.
 
madasylee said:
Didn't congress pass a similar bill in the early eighties removing greencard caps for asylees? I hope this bill goes through. A number of friends from my country were resettled here as refugees and they have already got their GCs, their GCs was back dated to the day they arrived in the US, why couldn't they do the same for asylees? Logically asylees and refugees are the same, but ofcourse for UCIS the word LOGIC doesn't exist in their vocabulary
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Yes congress doubled the cap in 1990. Some people used the asylum system to acquire lawful status in the United States and then engage in terrorist activities, including using Internet chat rooms for recruitment purposes. I believe that Congress would be ready to address this cap problem upon the capture of those people.
 
I don't think congress is willing to raise the cap without raising the burden of proof in order to lower the number of fake cases.
 
samoel said:
I don't think congress is willing to raise the cap without raising the burden of proof in order to lower the number of fake cases.
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Frankly they do need to do more to combat the level of fraud in the asylum system. It cheapens the value of asylum.
 
hampton8844 said:
Frankly they do need to do more to combat the level of fraud in the asylum system. It cheapens the value of asylum.
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Absolutely.
The cases that were/are getting approved at least from people that I know from my country are unbelievable Ridicules stories of persecution!!
Also is sad that everybody has to wait 5+ years but one that wants a way for quick GC has to realize that asylum is not the solution.
 
Can we try to be more positive to get changes we want?

I know that there is a lot of frustration for many of us that are waiting and will be waiting a long time to get our GCs; however, maybe we can influence a positive change for eliminating, or at least reducing, adjustment wait time. We need a strategy (or adding points to some existing strategy that I am not aware of); something that unites us instead of this kinda of eternal "fighting" that I see here in this forum. I really don't mean to be negative here, let's just try to work together instead of against each other.

From the article that initiated this thread I got names of democrats and republicans that endorse some kinda of improvement towards elimination or reduction of waiting time for asylees adjusting to permanent status:

Representative Sheila Jackson Lee
Senator Patrick Leahy
Senator Kennedy
Senator Brownback

This may sound foolish, but let's try, at least, to add names of senators and congress persons to this list. We are legal residents of this country, and they should see that we are just trying to become fully integrated to this country.
 
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Representative Sheila Jackson Lee
Senator Patrick Leahy
Senator Kennedy
Senator Brownback
Senator Russ Feingold from Wisconsin
 
Dear henri97

I agree with your message. It makes sense for each of us to follow the political dynamics and see how we can influence the process to our advantage.

In order to be effective, we need to use a variety of tools. Engaging the INS in direct dialogue (as we are doing regarding refugee travel documents), suing the INS to enforce rights and advocating legislative change with organizations that are heard on Capitol Hill are all important avenues to explore. It is clear that there are respectable Republicans as there are hostile Democrats we will have to confront in our efforts. Our goal should be to advance our interests with whomever can lend us ears.

In spite of labels attached by people who prefer to win by besmirching others, we should be happy that the ABA, the ACLU and others are taking a stand to support the removal of the annual cap. Spreading the message through the membership rank alone goes a long way in sensitizing thousands of people to the plight of asylees. As a member of both the ABA and the ACLU, I take umbrage when the effectiveness of these groups is dismissed without taking stock of what role these groups played and continue to play in advancing individual liberties and the rights of immigrants in this country. If there are other alternatives to add traction to our voice, let us hear them.
 
Punjabi_Munda said:
Representative Sheila Jackson Lee
Senator Patrick Leahy
Senator Kennedy
Senator Brownback
Senator Russ Feingold from Wisconsin
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Guys I advise you to use republicans.Democrats like Sen kennedy are like barking dogs but can`t bite.When i had issues with my GC I contacted a prominent democrat rep who did not help me at all,for one whole year nothing happened but it only took 2 weeks to get my GC after I got a Republican involved for me to get my case approved.

Nobody including BCIS will ever take democrats especially Sen Kennedy seriously.
 
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