A new visa, H-5A and H-5B -- New Bill

Hmmm... Bjorn, this is an interesting thought. Suppose - all these constructs are purely hypothetical, of course - I am currently on H1B. From the way I understand the bill, you need to be illegal on the date of bill passage. So, the day after bill passes, I go to INS and fess up I've been working illegally under the table for years. Will that put me out of status retroactively, so that the bill provisions, including the fast track GC would apply?
 
Hi GCby2010.

I roped in a friend in North east (NJ) who is willing to participate. Will send you his email/contact info. So we have 8 names so far. Correct?
 
Title of the Petition (H5a???)

indio0617 said:
Hi GCby2010.

I roped in a friend in North east (NJ) who is willing to participate. Will send you his email/contact info. So we have 8 names so far. Correct?

Guys I have a serious concern over what should the title for this petition be after going through .

http://news.corporate.findlaw.com/prnewswire/20050512/12may2005154709.html

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N12680660.htm

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=301

H5a / H5b itself is unskilled / other category of visa from what I understand. Requesting them to include H1B in some other category sounds technically incorrect. We need to refer to the petition as Inclusion of H1B into "McCain, Kennedy - Immigration Reform Bill" to be fair to those aspirant immigrants who are lawfully present"

Maybe master writers of this forum can frame it better.
 
GCBY2010, GOD_BLESS_YOU and others:

The proposed bill include

If he/she EB employee(may legal immigrant) work for 3 years he/she can apply GC. See below.


`(B) Pursuant to subparagraph (A), for purposes of adjustment of status under section 245(a) or issuance of an immigrant visa under section 203(b)(3), employment-based immigrant visas shall be made available, without regard to any numerical limitation imposed by section 201 or 202, to an alien having nonimmigrant status described in clause (ii)(b) or (ii)(c) of section 101(a)(15)(H) upon the filing of a petition for such a visa by--

`(i) the employer or any collective bargaining agent of the alien; or

`(ii) the alien, provided the alien has been employed under such nonimmigrant status for at least 3 years.


If he/she illegal immigrant, he/she should work 4 years before he/she apply GC. See below.

· An employer can sponsor the H-5A visa holder for a green card, or after accumulating four years of work in H-5A status, the worker can apply to adjust status on his/her own

Why guys are worried I am not understanding...
Please correct me if I am wrong....
 
I am ready to go to Boston with Rajiv. In case they do include the H1 in this, just imagine the number of people in BEC's and DOL who will loose jobs..anyway I am going ahead in mailing to all the senators.
 
God_bless_you, Baby_mde -- Demystifying legal terms

GOD_BLESS_YOU,

Found some interesting information about the clause used in the "Summary of The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act.."

Unless it explicitly says Section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b) of the INA, it will not cover H-1Bs. As far as I understand the terms, the H-5 visa bill is not currently applicable to H-1B visa holders. Wherever it says Section clause (ii)(b) or (ii)(c) of section 101(a)(15)(H), we need to amend it to include clause (i) (b) along with it. Only that will make it applicable to H-1B visa holders.. This small change in the text if accomplished will do great magic ! I think even if there is typo in this bill, it will totally mean a different thing..

Section 101(a)(15)(H)(ii)(b) is applicable only for H-2B visa holders. Could'nt find Section 101(a)(15)(H)(ii)(c). I am pretty sure it is not H-1B because H-1B is covered by clause 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b). So GOD_BLESS_YOU, i think we are not blessed by the current bill..

Check this website for more information:

http://uscis.gov/graphics/services/visas.htm


BABY_MDE,

I think we can consider the 3 year option as you mentioned in above post...
 
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u have no sense of freedom of speech

that's why you are slave.
I'll get the GC and then abandon it: I love slamming Uncle Sam.
I'll call Senator Robert Byrd to block this new bill. Don't hold your breath for it!
 
GCBy2010,

is there a way to attach documents to the thread (such that we can update and post revisions)? I know there is - just I am not familiar with this forum yet.
 
SEC. 214. ADJUSTMENT OF STATUS TO LAWFUL PERMANENT RESIDENT.

(a) EMPLOYMENT-BASED IMMIGRANT VISAS- Section 212(t) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1182(t)), as amended by section 213, is further amended by adding after paragraph (11) the following:

`(12)(A) Nonimmigrant aliens admitted or otherwise provided status under clause (ii)(b) or (ii)(c) of section 101(a)(15)(H) shall be eligible for an employment-based immigrant visa pursuant to section 203(b)(3) and adjustment of status pursuant to section 245.

`(B) Pursuant to subparagraph (A), for purposes of adjustment of status under section 245(a) or issuance of an immigrant visa under section 203(b)(3), employment-based immigrant visas shall be made available, without regard to any numerical limitation imposed by section 201 or 202, to an alien having nonimmigrant status described in clause (ii)(b) or (ii)(c) of section 101(a)(15)(H) upon the filing of a petition for such a visa by--

`(i) the employer or any collective bargaining agent of the alien; or

`(ii) the alien, provided the alien has been employed under such nonimmigrant status for at least 3 years.

`(C) The spouse or child of an alien granted status under clause (ii)(b) or (ii)(c) of section 101(a)(15)(H) shall be eligible as a derivative beneficiary for an immigrant visa and adjustment of status.'.

(b) DUAL INTENT- Section 214(h) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1184(h)) is amended by inserting `(H)(ii)(b), (H)(ii)(c),' after `(H)(i),'.


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H2A --Temporary Agricultural Worker --
INA Section 101(a)(15)(H)(ii)(a)
H-2B Temporary worker: skilled and unskilled
INA Section 101(a)(15)(H)(ii)(b)



so this bill includes H2A,H2B -- all temporary workers to file their AOS (filing 485 directly) themselves after 3 years of legal status in this country.......
where as THE H1 VISA holders( H-1B Specialty Occupations, DOD workers, fashion models INA Section 101(a)(15)(H)(i)(b)

what it implies that US wants only unskilled and semiskilled people who can do labor work for the AMERICAN INTELLECTUALS!!


:mad:
 
This is not for hi-tech jobs at all!

Don't want to spoil everyone's zest and still would like to continue or fight. Although I have grim hopes for adding H1B into this bill. This bill says H5-A = workers doing job for which there is unavailable/unwilling Americans and H5-B = undocumented workers on May 12. You and I ain't undocumented on this day. I wish I was...

Immigration Reform Bill Introduced on May 12, 2005
On May 12, 2005, a potentially significant bill was introduced in Congress that is intended to lead to comprehensive border security and immigration reform. Called "The Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act of 2005," the bill (S. 1003) was introduced in the Senate by Senators Edward Kennedy (D-MA) and John McCain (R-AZ), the two original sponsors, and joined by Senators Sam Brownback (R-KZ) and Joseph Lieberman (D-CT). Representatives James Kolbe (R-AZ), Jeff Flake (R-AZ) and Luis Gutierrez (D-IL) introduced a companion bill (H.R. 2330) in the House of Representatives. If enacted, the legislation would represent the greatest overhaul of our nation's immigration system in the last 20 years.
The highlight of the bill is the creation of two new nonimmigrant visa categories, the H-5A and H-5B visas, for temporary workers who wish to perform jobs which American workers are generally unavailable or unwilling to take.The bill also directs the creation of a new electronic, internet-based database and employment authorization verification system that would eventually replace the existing I-9 process and verification database. Moreover, the bill addresses some global and systemic issues such as the creation of additional immigrant visa numbers, international cooperation on circular migration, border security, and assistance to state and local governments for immigration enforcement related expenses. Finally, the bill sets forth labor protection and healthcare standards for foreign guest workers, and imposes restrictions on recruiting methods and legal representation.

Essential Worker Visa Program (H-5A Visa)

This provision would create a new temporary visa, the H-5A visa, for foreign workers seeking to enter the United States in order to fill available jobs, generally regarded as non-professional, for which there are no qualified and available U.S. workers, and who would not qualify for existing nonimmigrant visas such as the H, L, O, P or R visa categories. Applicants would have to show that they have a job offer, pay a fee of $500 in addition to the normal application fees, and clear certain security, medical and other background checks. Sponsoring employers would have to attest that they posted a job order for at least 30 days with America's Job Bank in order to recruit U.S. workers, that they are offering the same wages, benefits and working conditions to foreign workers as would be offered to U.S. workers, and would be required to maintain documentation for at least one year on their reasons for rejecting any U.S. workers.

The initial annual cap on H-5A visas would be set at 400,000, but the annual limit would be gradually adjusted up or down based on demand in subsequent years. The visa would be valid for an initial period of three years, and could be extended for an additional period of three years, for a total period of stay of no more than six years. At the end of the six-year period of stay, the foreign national would need to leave the United States, unless he or she has a labor certification application or immigrant visa petition pending.

The H-5A visa would be portable, meaning that once a foreign national is in the United States in valid H-5A status, he or she would be able to change employers. However, workers who lose their jobs must find a new one within 45 days, or return to their country of nationality or last residence.

An employer could sponsor an H-5A worker for permanent residence by filing a labor certification application on the worker's behalf. An H-5A worker could also apply for adjustment of status to permanent residence without an employer's sponsorship, so long as he or she had maintained H-5A nonimmigrant status in the United States for a cumulative total of four years.

Legalization of Certain Undocumented Workers (H-5B Visa)

The legislation would also create a new H-5B nonimmigrant visa category for undocumented aliens who were present in the United States on the date the Act was introduced (i.e., on May 12, 2005) and have been continuously present in the United States since that date, but whose presence in the United States is undocumented. Applicants for H-5B visas, however, must demonstrate that they were employed in the United States before the Act was introduced and continue to be employed. Applicants would also be required to pay a $1,000 fine.

As evidence of continuous employment, an H-5B applicant could submit records kept by his or her employer. An employer who had unlawfully employed an undocumented worker prior to May 12, 2005 would be shielded from tax and other criminal liabilities that could result from producing documentation in support of a worker's visa application. However, there is no general amnesty for employers who may have violated other labor or employment laws.

Applicants for H-5B status would be granted work and travel authorization while their applications are pending, as would their spouses and children. The authorized period of stay for an H-5B nonimmigrant would be six years. H-5B nonimmigrants would be eligible to adjust their status to permanent residence, but would be subject to special requirements, including meeting certain employment and education requirements; payment of substantial fines and application fees; payment of back taxes; and satisfying minimum English language and civics requirements.

The bill's temporary worker provisions are similar to the plan President Bush has promised to introduce. However, overall this bill goes further than the president's plan because it provides a pathway to permanent residence, and ultimately U.S. citizenship, for guest workers who fill jobs that U.S. workers are unwilling or unable to fill, both those newly entering the United States and those who have been in the United States in undocumented status (so long as they meet certain requirements).

Family Unity and Backlog Reduction

The bill proposes to exempt immediate relatives of U.S. citizens from the 480,000 annual cap on family-based immigrants (thereby providing additional immigrant visas to the family-based immigrant categories) and to increase the worldwide numerical limit on employment-based immigrants from 140,000 to 290,000 per year. In addition, the overall employment-based limit would include any unused employment-based (EB) visas from the previous fiscal year, adding to that sum any unused EB visas going back to FY 2001 and continuing each year in the future. The bill also makes all unused immigrant visas from the first four employment-based preference categories available to a new EB-5 category for "other workers." The bill would also change the per country limits for both family-based and employment-based immigrants.

Overall, the bill would increase the annual cap for the EB-1 (priority worker) and EB-2 (exceptional ability or advanced degree) categories from 40,000 to 58,000. The EB-3 category would be limited to skilled and professional workers, and the annual cap would be increased from 40,000 to 101,500. The EB-4 category (currently reserved for special immigrants, including certain religious workers) would be reassigned to immigrant investors, and the annual cap would be increased from 10,000 to 14,500. Finally, the annual cap for the EB-5 category (to be reassigned, as discussed above, to "other workers") would be increased from 5,000 to 87,000. Special immigrants would still be allocated 10,000 immigrant visas per year, but would be outside the normal worldwide cap.

Worker Protection and Fraud Prevention

The bill contains provisions that are intended as safeguards against worker exploitation, and against non-lawyers who seek to take advantage of, and provide inadequate legal representation to, prospective guest workers. One provision would require overseas recruiters to register with the Department of Labor, and would require all recruiters to be certified. The bill further requires recruiters to disclose key issues such as working conditions and remuneration, and directs the Department of Labor to promulgate rules on investigating and adjudicating complaints by aggrieved laborers.

The bill also provides that only an attorney or an otherwise approved representative may file an application on behalf of an intending H-5 worker. This may preclude many corporate human resource offices from continuing their practice of filing immigration papers on behalf of their nonimmigrant workers.

Enforcement and Border Security

If implemented, the law would gradually phase in a new electronic work authorization verification system and database to replace the current, paper-based I-9 system, which is widely perceived to be prone to fraud. The system would be compatible with the security features of the H-5 visa, would be based on a machine-readable technology and would check social security records. There is no discussion in the bill regarding who would bear the cost of setting up the technology required by U.S. employers to implement this new system.

All immigration-related documents issued by the U.S. government would include biometric data (such as electronic fingerscans and digital photographs), and the US-VISIT border entry system would be upgraded to require biometric data of travelers seeking to enter the United States. The Department of Labor would be granted authority to conduct random audits of employers to ensure compliance with labor and immigration laws.
 
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gc_2006,

I don't have an idea about attachments. I am hoping someone else would respond to you, if not will try to figure out later today.

CA_LC,

Yes, you are quite right.. The statements highlighted by you dampen the enthusiasm to fight for our cause. Your extract/views are really good and it makes me think how to argue for our case if we ever have someone who would listen to us. But I think of using one of the provisions in bold letters above to our advantage.

Extract from above post by CA_LC:

"This provision would create a new temporary visa, the H-5A visa, for foreign workers seeking to enter the United States in order to fill available jobs, generally regarded as non-professional, for which there are no qualified and available U.S. workers, and who would not qualify for existing nonimmigrant visas such as the H, L, O, P or R visa categories."

As you notice in the extract above, the bill is also targeting people for which there are no qualified and available U.S. Workers. Just momentarily setting aside the classification of types such as H-5A (and non-professional), anyone seems to favor occupations where there is shortage. We came as H-1Bs because there was/is a shortage of workers and that is being established everytime when LCA is applied.

We take the view that when H-5As come in into this country on a shortage occupation it is determined only at the point when they obtain the Visa and entry is granted. It is not applied anymore when they apply for green cards later on. Remember they can adjust status based on paying taxes and gainful employment without employer dependency.

Unlike H-5s, in the case of H-1Bs, we are asked to undergo this process (labor shortage) when applying for green cards during various times of economic cycles, bonding us with employers. In addition this is aggravated by inordinate processing delays during which the life cycle of the application changes dramatically.

We are asking for an equitable treatment being applied to H-1B category where green card is disassociated from a specific employer once we enter on a H-1B. This will give us the flexibility to change jobs and do other things in life when the appliction is pending and cannot be denied for lack of employment with a specific entity. This is the point that needs to emphasized if we get to meet the senator or to counter other arguments.

Note: (Not sure if they are talking about AC21 kind of provision colored light red below, or if a H-5A worker can file for his own green card. I assume the second one for our case to be considered. If they are talking about a AC21 kind of provision, then there is really no difference in GC process between H-5A or H-1B. H-5A also needs to apply for labor through an employer and only the adjustment of status is portable).

Extract from above post by CA_LC:

An employer could sponsor an H-5A worker for permanent residence by filing a labor certification application on the worker's behalf. An H-5A worker could also apply for adjustment of status to permanent residence without an employer's sponsorship, so long as he or she had maintained H-5A nonimmigrant status in the United States for a cumulative total of four years.

Anyway my rants may be waste of time, it is very unlikely (if it happens, a miracle) for us to successfully prove our case. Let us try for it. May be it will materiliaze in some other form in the future.
 
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An employer could sponsor an H-5A worker for permanent residence by filing a labor certification application on the worker's behalf. An H-5A worker could also apply for adjustment of status to permanent residence without an employer's sponsorship, so long as he or she had maintained H-5A nonimmigrant status in the United States for a cumulative total of four years.
where as H2B H2C file after 3 years of legal Residence....,
where as H1 B pack and go home or work for same employee for clearing his laboe for 6 more years....

:mad: :mad:
 
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gc_2006 said:
GCBy2010,

is there a way to attach documents to the thread (such that we can update and post revisions)? I know there is - just I am not familiar with this forum yet.
 
CA_LC and others

Yes. You are correct. We are facing an uphill battle here. But, I think we still have to give it our best shot. If there is a crack in the door. let's try to force it open. Who knows, even if we do not succeed now, it may perhaps lead to something positive soon.

I think strong lobbying is the only way to influence public policy. Take for instance: In the recent bill that was passed which alloted re-capture of visa numbers for EB3 Schedule occupations and left out the rest; The opinion among the legal fraternity is that the other EB3 occupations lost out only because the groups representing IT and engg were almost non-existent and weak in lobbying compared to the health care industry.
 
Strive for Being Fairly Treated

I totally support to give H1B holders similar rights as the H5 visas provide with regard to GC (be it more clauses in the new bill or another bill just for H1B holders). People should let their voice heard and take actions to foster the change. Thank you, to those who put effort on this!

My reasons:

H1B holders come to this country legally to fill positions that America needs. They pay taxes, medical insurance, etc. They contribute to the American society and America needs them just as much as they would like to stay in America. They make sacrifices (e.g. passing promotion opportunities, their spouse cannot work, having to go through all the trouble for travel internationally, etc. you name it). Why can't the US give these hard-working, law-binding H1B holders the same GC rights as those illegals are going to enjoy?

Not giving H1B holders the same rights is not only unfair (to some extent "inhumane" considering all the hardship that H1B holders are facing) but also will only encourage more illegal immigrants (as one can see from some previous posts).

As Suzi Orman said in one of her presentations (although it relates to social security, the same logic applies), you do not have the right to complain, if you do not participate. To this extent, all the H1B holders who want to have a GC should let their voice heard and take appropriate actions.
 
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Write to you senators in your area

Fair said:
I totally support to give H1B holders similar rights as the H5 visas provide with regard to GC (be it more clauses in the new bill or another bill just for H1B holders). People should let their voice heard and take actions to foster the change. Thank you, to those who put effort on this!

My reasons:

H1B holders come to this country legally to fill positions that America needs. They pay taxes, medical insurance, etc. They contribute to the American society and America needs them just as much as they would like to stay in America. They make sacrifices (e.g. passing promotion opportunities, their spouse cannot work, having to go through all the trouble for travel internationally, etc. you name it). Why can't the US give these hard-working, law-binding H1B holders the same GC rights as those illegals are going to enjoy?

Not giving H1B holders the same rights is not only unfair (to some extent "inhumane" considering all the hardship that H1B holders are facing) but also will only encourage more illegal immigrants (as one can see from some previous posts).

As Suzi Orman said in one of her presentations (although it relates to social security, the same logic applies), you do not have the right to complain, if you do not participate. To this extent, all the H1B holders who want to have a GC should let their voice heard and take appropriate actions.

To add to this action, please write to your senators and let them know. I have writtten to senators in my area and all senators in the Subcommittee of Immigration. :mad:
 
I read that you have to be undocumented illegal prior to May 12 to qualify for an H-5 visa. However, keep in mind that there will still continue to be a huge illegal immigration primarily from Mexico following May 12. Realistically, when the rumor hits Mexico that you can become permanent in the US as an illegal, they will still poor into the US, regardless of the May 12 cutoff date. There is no way the US can reach out to all Mexicans to explain the cutoff date. Instead, this bill will only encourage more illegal immigration and the problem will just grow. This means that the proposed May 12 date will only be a quick fix for the illegals in the US prior to May 12 and will NOT address illegals coming in later, meaning the very same problems will happen again. So, this bill will likely have to be readdressed pretty quickly when Congress sees that the illegal immigration keeps happening and that the bill really did not solve future problems, but only dealt with past problems, so I think that this "comrehensive immigration bill" will be revisited again and again pretty soon as reality sets in. As a result, if we keep pushing the H-1B case, it will be addressed I believe.
 
And that's slamming Uncle Sam... how? As for calling, go for it, I'll cheer - which you should have guessed from my posts. Seems like you're a moron on TWO counts
 
Does this bill have a name?

Also would appreciate an official link of this bill. I am planning to send a letter to a conservative talk show host. Thanks.
 
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