2nd FP is auto generated

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vashi17

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I have noticed many getting 2nd FP notice. This includes my kids who were recently given notices even though our cases have been approved. From the dates involved, the 2nd FP notices seem to be automatically generated by the system. Also the notice has a sentence to ignore it if the case is being processed. The on-line message has not changed either.

I have a strong conviction that these cases have not been touched. Persons whose cases have been touched have not got the notice even though 15 months have elapsed. Perhaps, the offices sets a switch in their system, that the case is under review and disables the auto FP generation.

Also, finger prints uniquely identifies a person and remains the same throughout one's life. That is why it is taken in the first place by the BCIS. By what logic of BCIS is an applicant made to take FP again?

RD 01/29//2003
EAC-02-102-5....
FP1 02/04/2002
FP2 07/12/2002
 
Originally posted by vashi17
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Also, finger prints uniquely identifies a person and remains the same throughout one's life. That is why it is taken in the first place by the BCIS. By what logic of BCIS is an applicant made to take FP again?
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It's the results of your finger print review that expire after 15 months. They want to see if after 15 months you have new criminal records, etc...
 
Re: Re: 2nd FP is auto generated

True. But Vashi's point is why do they need fresh prints? Just run the check again with the prints on file.

Originally posted by GC012002
It's the results of your finger print review that expire after 15 months. They want to see if after 15 months you have new criminal records, etc...
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This is inefficiency of the BCIS system

1) they should save the FP image, so they don't need to ask us to redo fp.
2) they should send 2nd FP automatically, regardless if it's in an officer's hands.
3) they should process early RD date first.
 
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Originally posted by WheresMahGreen
True. But Vashi's point is why do they need fresh prints? Just run the check again with the prints on file.
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I agree with you on this one. They may purge the images, which is really stupid (IMHO).
Or they just want to make our lives harder by requiring us to go to support center, wait, etc... :rolleyes:
 
Vashi17 ....

The reason why they dont keep your finger prints is because it is Not allowed by law for any Govt agency to keep your FP if your results turn to be negative... I believe there was a amendment made to the Constitution to do this after some John doe Vs US Govt case got attention of civil rights etc......Its a long story but something on those lines...But Trust me its a good thing...
 
Re: Vashi17 ....

Originally posted by eternity
The reason why they dont keep your finger prints is because it is Not allowed by law for any Govt agency to keep your FP if your results turn to be negative... I believe there was a amendment made to the Constitution to do this after some John doe Vs US Govt case got attention of civil rights etc......Its a long story but something on those lines...But Trust me its a good thing...
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Nonsense. First, there's no mention in the US constitution anywhere of fingerprinting, and plenty of government agencies have plenty of fingerprints. There are a lot of occupations where you need to be fingerprinted for criminal checks, and those records are not purged. If you were arrested 30 years ago, held overnight and released, those fingerprints are somewhere.

The reason I have heard, as hinted at above, is that the criminal check's validity expires after 15 months, but the only way BCIS has of getting the check done again is by submitting a new set of fingerprints. Silly? You bet - but par for the course.
 
They are silly(rather say stupid) in every aspect. Just because nobody except immigrants know about it. General public think
their country is efficient, hard working and prosperous. Nobody
knows the dark truth of BCIS.
 
Not that nobody knows that dark truth of BCIS/INS - many people pretend that the dark truth does not exist or just completely ignore it, UNTIL something big that touches the lives of americans comes into the picture AND the mainstream media exposes it to the public!
 
Originally posted by dengdeng
They are silly(rather say stupid) in every aspect. Just because nobody except immigrants know about it. General public think
their country is efficient, hard working and prosperous. Nobody
knows the dark truth of BCIS.
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Citizens don't need the services of BCIS unless they marry or adopt immigrant. But I've seen lot of citizens who understand the bureaucracy.
 
This is purely my understanding:

Fingerprints and other personal identification elements fall under the several laws and by-laws that govern a person's privacy and accordingly, a government agency cannot maintain such information for all upright and innocent individuals. It is in this regard that BCIS may be required to NOT keep the fingerprints.

As someone rightly pointed out, the FBI review of our fingerprints is what expires after 15 months. Since BCIS requires a valid review to process one's case, my assumption is that they issue this 2nd FP notice for all those whose review is > 15 mos.

What baffles me is that I got the notice but my wife has not even though we both got fingerprinted on the same day. Don't know how valid is to assume that this is automatically generated. There must be some method behind this madness.
 
Re: Re: Vashi17 ....

Originally posted by TheRealCanadian
Nonsense. First, there's no mention in the US constitution anywhere of fingerprinting, and plenty of government agencies have plenty of fingerprints. There are a lot of occupations where you need to be fingerprinted for criminal checks, and those records are not purged. If you were arrested 30 years ago, held overnight and released, those fingerprints are somewhere.

The reason I have heard, as hinted at above, is that the criminal check's validity expires after 15 months, but the only way BCIS has of getting the check done again is by submitting a new set of fingerprints. Silly? You bet - but par for the course.
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when I said FP I meant any "Personal Unique Identification"
that can Identify you uniquely... such as DNA ,FP etc...

If what you said were to be true... then all the Govt has to do was to create a Database of FP' and/or DNAs (say at birth or incase of immigrants at Port of Entry..) and then as and when a crime happens just run the FP and DNA evidence against the DB
and LO you have your criminals ID...... ! But it obviously doesnt work that way.

Also In this day and Age it is feasible to hold that kind of information .....

Makes Sense ?
 
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