Left employer after Green card

Kat999

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My friend worked for company A and he got the green card from company B, both owned by the same management, after he got green card from company A, he worked for company B for 1 month and left, now he is planning to apply for citizenship. Do you guys see any problems with this? he asking me what should he answer if the IO asks why he left the employer within a month.

Appreicate any answers.
 
My friend worked for company A and he got the green card from company B, both owned by the same management, after he got green card from company A, he worked for company B for 1 month and left, now he is planning to apply for citizenship. Do you guys see any problems with this? he asking me what should he answer if the IO asks why he left the employer within a month.

Appreicate any answers.

It is recommended, although not foolproof, that one does not leave the company for at least 6 months after GC approval. However, many new laws such as AC21 make this point moot.

Second, this working for 1 month situation - it primarily affects the green card rather than citizenship. Of course, the IO can check anything.

Last, even though it sounds bad, there is less and less incentive for CIS to go back and scrutinize papers unless they believe they can prove outright fraud. How do you avoid that perception? Hard but the following might help:
A) Do not file until 5 full years have completed since the GC was approved. CIS can discover a GC grant mistake and file to revoke the GC before the 5 year anniversary, but it becomes harder thereafter.
B) Also, why not delay filing until the employer B is completely off the books - that is 5 calendar years for which he may or may not be asked to provide transcripts should be after the calendar year he stopped working for this employer B. Is it really necessary, NO. But if he can not explain why he left the employer besides "another opportunity", this might help just a bit.

None of this is legal advice....
 
It is recommended, although not foolproof, that one does not leave the company for at least 6 months after GC approval. However, many new laws such as AC21 make this point moot.

Second, this working for 1 month situation - it primarily affects the green card rather than citizenship. Of course, the IO can check anything.

Last, even though it sounds bad, there is less and less incentive for CIS to go back and scrutinize papers unless they believe they can prove outright fraud. How do you avoid that perception? Hard but the following might help:
A) Do not file until 5 full years have completed since the GC was approved. CIS can discover a GC grant mistake and file to revoke the GC before the 5 year anniversary, but it becomes harder thereafter.
B) Also, why not delay filing until the employer B is completely off the books - that is 5 calendar years for which he may or may not be asked to provide transcripts should be after the calendar year he stopped working for this employer B. Is it really necessary, NO. But if he can not explain why he left the employer besides "another opportunity", this might help just a bit.

None of this is legal advice....

Wow! Thanks sanjoseaug20 . During the N400 interview do they check the employement history? I was under impression that citizenship to check the moral character of a person but anything can they check.
 
Wow! Thanks sanjoseaug20 . During the N400 interview do they check the employement history? I was under impression that citizenship to check the moral character of a person but anything can they check.

yes...sanjoseaug20 is right. USCIS does review your entire immigration history including GC and if it determines that there is a fraud, it can not only deny N-400 but also challange GC status...be careful...Have your document support handy
 
yes...sanjoseaug20 is right. USCIS does review your entire immigration history including GC and if it determines that there is a fraud, it can not only deny N-400 but also challange GC status...be careful...Have your document support handy

I just talked to my friend and he is really scared. He said he can get a letter from employer that he got laid off or something like that if it helps. I said i'm not sure and I asked him to google and see if there is any case like this.
 
I just talked to my friend and he is really scared. He said he can get a letter from employer that he got laid off or something like that if it helps. I said i'm not sure and I asked him to google and see if there is any case like this.

Yes, it can help if it reflects the true case...But be careful...do not try to create a document that did not exist before....such a "creativity" can get your into more trouble if created as a fraud. If he was really laid off, he/she should have employment termination papers. Many states require 60 or 90 day notices.
 
I just talked to my friend and he is really scared. He said he can get a letter from employer that he got laid off or something like that if it helps. I said i'm not sure and I asked him to google and see if there is any case like this.

kat999, why don't you ask your friend to post on this forum for themselves... They may get their answers quicker.
But... as DreamUSA said, fake documents are worse than no documents at all. In most cases, there is a pretty good reason for one to change jobs and usually, that reason is enough for USCIS.

In any case, if your friend has already applied for citizenship, they should delay their fingerprints (which in turn delays the rest of the application) until after their GC is 5 yrs old.
 
How long did he work for them between filing the I-485 and GC approval?

After receiving Green Card, he worked for that company for 3 months. He sent his N400 last week and I asked him to hir a lawyer, hope that helps him. My friend and I was searching the forums to see if anybody got denied N400 because they did not stick to the company for 6 months.
 
Yes, it can help if it reflects the true case...But be careful...do not try to create a document that did not exist before....such a "creativity" can get your into more trouble if created as a fraud. If he was really laid off, he/she should have employment termination papers. Many states require 60 or 90 day notices.

I agree. Be careful, but truthful. In my old company, the employer had to report to state when each and every employee left. Along with the termination date, we had to specify the reason - resigned / let go and so on. If such a state wages report said resigned - of course you can say the employer asked to resign - but it makes the story less credible.
* I am sure such a state report exists in most states, because the unemployment eligibility depends on this.
 
Pls. let me know if you find a case where N400 is denied where the person left the company before 6 months.
 
I am not expert but it sounds that you guys are being too pesismistic. It is my understanding that once the I-485 has been pending for 180 days you can change jobs.

Of course the only catch if that at the time the I-140 and the I-485 (if not filed concurrently) there was a bonafide offer to work for the company. In other words if the company was willing to employ him and he was willing to take the job when the application was filed, it should be a problem. If in the other hand he never intended to stay with the company that might be a problem. But then unless he had other offers open to him all the time I can not imagine how USCIS can show that he never intended to work for the petioner company.

Here are all the memos that uscis has pyublished clarifying this. Have you friend read them and see if that answer his questions. Or at least gives him peace of mind. And of course if his lawyer gives him some feedback, please come back and share it with us

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...toid=d7cef1aebb9f3110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD
 
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I am not expert but it sounds that you guys are being too pesismistic. It is my understanding that once the I-485 has been pending for 180 days you can change jobs.

Of course the only catch if that at the time the I-140 and the I-485 (if not filed concurrently) there was a bonafide offer to work for the company. In other words if the company was willing to employ him and he was willing to take the job when the application was filed, it should be a problem. If in the other hand he never intended to stay with the company that might be a problem. But then unless he had other offers open to him all the time I can not imagine how USCIS can show that he never intended to work for the petioner company.

Here are all the memos that uscis has pyublished clarifying this. Have you friend read them and see if that answer his questions. Or at least gives him peace of mind. And of course if his lawyer gives him some feedback, please come back and share it with us

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/us...toid=d7cef1aebb9f3110VgnVCM1000004718190aRCRD

This is what I found when on internet about leaving the employer immedietly after greencard:

In order to determine whether the alien truthfully represented his or her intent to remain with his or her petitioning U.S. employer after receiving the green card, the USCIS uses the standard created by Seihoon v. Levy. That is, USCIS examines the “rapid course of events” following the alien’s receipt of his or her green card. The Department of State has reduced this rule to a 30-60-90 day formula which USCIS generally follows. If an alien ends employment with the petitioning employer within 30 days of receiving his/her green card, then it is highly likely that USCIS will decide that the alien’s intent at the Consulate interview was not, as he/she stated, to remain with the petitioning employer indefinitely. After 60 days have passed, it is less likely (but still risky) that USCIS will determine that the alien lied about his/her intent at the Consulate interview. And after 90 days, it is highly unlikely that USCIS will have a problem with the alien’s change of employment.

When I searched the internet, most of the people got their citizenship without any issues, and some people they din't even worked for the GC employer, it all depends on the IO and your luck. Hope for the best and prepared for the worst.
 
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This is what I found when on internet about leaving the employer immedietly after greencard:

In order to determine whether the alien truthfully represented his or her intent to remain with his or her petitioning U.S. employer after receiving the green card, the USCIS uses the standard created by Seihoon v. Levy. That is, USCIS examines the “rapid course of events” following the alien’s receipt of his or her green card. The Department of State has reduced this rule to a 30-60-90 day formula which USCIS generally follows. If an alien ends employment with the petitioning employer within 30 days of receiving his/her green card, then it is highly likely that USCIS will decide that the alien’s intent at the Consulate interview was not, as he/she stated, to remain with the petitioning employer indefinitely. After 60 days have passed, it is less likely (but still risky) that USCIS will determine that the alien lied about his/her intent at the Consulate interview. And after 90 days, it is highly unlikely that USCIS will have a problem with the alien’s change of employment.

This probably works for the consulate cases as the interviews are within a few days/weeks of the person's arrival in the US. For Adjustment cases within the US, the application could have been made months/years before the grant of LPR status. So unless someone was called in for an interview just before getting their green card, one can no longer presume that the applicant misrepresented their intent to remain with the US employer indefinitely just because they left the employer within 30-60 days of getting their green card.
 
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My friend and I digged into the employement history as he is planning to schedule a appointment with a lawyer so he was preparing the paper work and what we found is real interesting and i'm not sure if my friend can prove his intent to work.

He was working for company A since 2002 and got GC from company B in April 5th 2005 and he joined company B in July 05 and left them in Oct 05, he could have left the company in April 2005 but he joined them in July. We both worked for these companies and got GC the same way and i got one month early and i have a good relationship with the employer so I wanted to help him if any support required from employer(just in case).

Please advise or share your experiences.


Thank you.
 
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After receiving Green Card, he worked for that company for 3 months.
OK, but how long did he work for them before the GC, while the I-485 was pending? That time between I-485 filing and GC approval affects the appearance of the intention to work for them as well as AC21 applicability.
My friend and I was searching the forums to see if anybody got denied N400 because they did not stick to the company for 6 months.
Nobody on this forum knows of any N-400 denials for leaving the employer too soon after the GC, whatever "too soon" means. Some people who left in less than a month were hassled in the interview because of it, but they still got approved.
 
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OK, but how long did he work for them before the GC, while the I-485 was pending? That time between I-485 filing and GC approval affects the appearance of the intention to work for them as well as AC21 applicability.

He did not work for them before. He worked for company A and got GC from company B and both the companies are owned by the same family (wife (company B) and husband (Company A))
 
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