Great to be USC - Is it worth the effort?

Asorock, I apologise if I misread your original post. However, I specifically replied to your assertions that terms accent and mainstream American were obsolete. It may be true for big metropolitan areas, but in middle America they do exist and they are very real. What I pointed out was that you should exercise discretion when dismissing such terms while talking about the entire nation.

I would tend to agree with the rest of your post about America.
 
Our readers from, ehem, less diversity-challenged :eek: parts of the country would do well to spend some time in the more diversity-challenged parts of the country...

I mean, it's one thing to move from Korea into Seattle, or from China to San Fransisco, or from Iran to Los Angeles, or from Italy to Chicago, and quite another from any of these countries, to, say, Iowa or Indiana.

Perhaps the 3-5 years waiting period should be reduced to 1-2 years for people who settle in "Flyover Country" :D
 
Great to be USC. We all go through a lot of effort to be USC, just wanted to see what other's think is it worth all this effort?

Almost all who need to decide to apply for USC are PRs, So It is already too later to change the mind. You already come thru a lot of trouble in your immiogration journey from teh first entry to green card. So it is worth the effort 100% to finally close it. If you can go back in time, you can change
anything to experience a completely different life path, but you already
come a long way to being a PR for 5 years. So there is not much additional
effort. N400 cost hundreds of bucks but so do GC renewals for every 10 years.
 
Perpetualgc,

I enjoy your comments, because, they usually make for comic relief, but I do respect your opinions. I just wonder if you ate paint chips, at any point of childhood? :confused:

The OP's original aim was to take a poll of whether or not, the journey to U.S. Citizenship is worth it. The civil exchange, between Konig and myself, not withstanding.

As for your opinion , insisting on assigning a different mindset to rural or "less diverse" parts of the country (as you put it), tread carefully. It makes me wonder, exactly which America you're living in? Also don't forget, that if I were to hypothetically, pursue Chinese or Japanese or Korean Citizenship, I most probably would face more challenges, socially and otherwise, than if I were pursuing U.S. Citizenship, even if I lived in the most insular of communities (your definition of "less diverse").

The murder rate in Little Rock, Arkansas is higher than that of Los Angeles or New York. "Little Rock?" you say. Yes, Little Rock. Wake up and smell the Star Bucks! The Normal Rockwell illustrations of America, is a nostalgic view of the past, sitting on shelves at the Smithsonian Institute. "Leave It To Beaver", "Happy Days", "The Honeymooners", "I Love Lucy", are distant, fading memories.

If you are acquiring citizenship and expecting, the "white picket fence", you are a number of decades too late. So what, if parts of America still talks about "accents" and "those foreigners" ? To me, it's as irrelevant as those that would still insist that the world is flat! By the way, I'll go out on a limb, and guess that you probably live in an urban area in Indiana, so what would you know about the immigrant's challenges of living in the "country" or a rural setting? And even if you do live in the "boonies", you can always get up, grab a U-Haul and move to "civilization" :-) Right?

The bottom line is, people choose to acquire U.S. Citizenship for a myriad of reasons. It's not always because of political instability, oppression, starvation, lack of infra structure, lack of economic opportunity, "seeking a better life", and so on. Sometimes, it's just a personal desire, that need not be defined. As long as they qualify and receive that benefit, it is up to each individual to assess if the journey was well worth it. Plus, no one is putting a gun to anyone's head to apply for U.S.Citizenship. It's a big world out there. If you don't desire U.S. Citizenship, or do not think it is worth it, then don't apply, or go back to your country of origin or anyhwere else in the world that you think you'll be happier. It's really that simple.

As for me, and MY PERSONAL reasons, it was well worth it. 100%
 
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As for your opinion , insisting on assigning a different mindset to rural or "less diverse" parts of the country (as you put it), tread carefully. It makes me wonder, exactly which America you're living in? .

Let me put it to you in numeric terms. A dozen years ago my friend Mahesh moved from Central Indiana to Fremont, California, and enrolled his 7 year old to Fremont Elementary. He calls back and reports "Man, this is an interesting place. Out of 30 kids, 10 are Indian, 10 are Far East / Orient, 7 or 8 are Hispanic, and 2 or 3 are locals". I got a very good chuckle out of it, as he came to Central Indiana in the days where you'd see an Indian guy in the mall and strike a conversation just 'cause there were only a handful of Indians in the whole area code...

Today, in the wealthier suburbs, easily 10-15% of the kids are hyphenated, and being of Indian, Korean, or what not origin is not a big deal. My older child did get some comments from a teacher regarding her 'last name' (ethnic to the last character :eek:) and after reading him and the principal the riot act these comments thankfully stopped.

I don't know how much you've lived in 'Flyover Country' but I've lived for 30 years in places like Michigan and Indiana, and trust you me, it ain't the same as the coasts. It was Leave it to Beaver back then, and it's slowly changing now. If you're talking metropolitan areas, sure, things are now where they were in the more illuminated areas 30 years ago, but if we're talking rural / near rural Midwest, South, etc, Leave It To Beaver, Lassie, white picket fence, etc are all documentaries of current life. Best yet, you won't know by driving thru or watching on TV.

You spoke of accents - now, granted, I have a heavier one (by choice), and speak incredibly fast, as is the norm of my native language, even in English. So we're having an animated conversation with my children at the supermarket checkout and the cashier asks meekly "excuse me, sir, what language are you speaking?". I did not have the heart to tell her it was English (we speak English at home).

Or, proceed to scene two; an after-church party in rural Georgia involving my supervisor (native USC, from Seattle / SoCal) being introduced to a distinguished looking Southern gentleman. So, the gentleman says his name as "Aye-yed" and my boss asks him how to spell it. The gentleman turns red and slooooooowly says "Eeee Deee".

What makes America a great place is that it really is not a monolithic place, but rather, a great mosaic. A Greek guy can choose to live in Astoria, NY and never speak English again; likewise, a Chinese person in Boston's Chinatown (awesome food, make sure you go with a Chinese speaker to order properly); A Frenchman can live in South Louisiana, and so on... But, between all these greatly diverse places there exists.... you guessed it... Flyover Country, and things are not quite the same.

A good way to tell if you're in Flyover Country or not is the size of the local USCIS office. After used to the massive offices in New Orleans and Detroit (New Orleans especially, baguettes and french coffee, then get in line, ah, the great days :D) getting to Indianapolis was not quite the same (they since upgraded to much larger facilities, as the foreign born population of the city skyrocketed)

It's a slow process here, as are lots of other things; we still need the monthly trips to Chicago or (of all places) Cincinnati, OH for ethnic groceries (Jungle Jim's has no equal even in SoCal or San Fransisco)... I still have to get used to the idea my younger one is the only non-blond kid in the Jr. High Choir :-), you get the idea.

In essense, this change, adaptation from all sides, is what makes it so great a place.

Gotta run, I am cooking some strange Middle Eastern fried dumplings for dessert!
 
Let me put it to you in numeric terms. A dozen years ago my friend Mahesh moved from Central Indiana to Fremont, California, and enrolled his 7 year old to Fremont Elementary. He calls back and reports "Man, this is an interesting place. Out of 30 kids, 10 are Indian, 10 are Far East / Orient, 7 or 8 are Hispanic, and 2 or 3 are locals". I got a very good chuckle out of it, as he came to Central Indiana in the days where you'd see an Indian guy in the mall and strike a conversation just 'cause there were only a handful of Indians in the whole area code...

I think you are off by a couple of years. I "landed" in SFO bay area about 14 years ago, and one of the lessons our management used to give (in consulting) was be invisible so as not to offend the general populace. This included advice on office gossip, loitering, the way you should walk (or not in groups) and the use of kitchen. Do not remember much asian faces from then, except on the golden gate. Do not remember many asian employees in a huge multi-national company office I used to work with. However, things changed drastically as Y2K came closer and closer, and by the time it arrived, the character of the bay area had changed. BTW, I am not challenging the veracity of your story, just the timing because the character of bay area changed so suddenly that even if he is off by 2 years, it makes a difference. 97 or 98 seems like the middle of such transition.

While we are reminiscing, I recall making the painful grocery trips via Metro in Paris in the early 90s. I was shocked at the amount of change it had gone through when I visited it almost a decade later. While all the roads and buildings were same, the people were not. I used to see barely one Indian in the 1 hour Metro+Train+Bus trip, and he used to hide from the police to sell peanuts et al. Not even the Eiffel tower if memory serves me right. And my visit in the aughts, what a difference.

And now that I am in Bangalore, whenever I am shopping for a substantial time (not a 2 minute in and out trip), I never miss seeing a non-Indian ... does not matter if it is a good and expensive mall, or someplace authentic Indian.

I think over time most cities close a big international airport all over the world are going to become somewhat similar in their characteristics. The fly-over cities or villages - do not know.

So is the change happening only in US?
 
Last year I travelled to my country of origin after 8 years of living in the USA, and I noticed how much I became accustomed to US way of life.l!


Being accustomed to the ways of life of a country is one thing, and becoming that country's citizen is another. Many green card holders or even visa holders who are living in this country for 30-40 years without obtaining US citizenship got accustomed to the ways of life in the US but they decided not to become US citizen.

This topic has been discussed thousands of times on this forum over the years. Whether or not obtaining US citizenship is a worth is actually depend on an individual's personal situation. For some it's more than worth, but for others it's not worth at all for many reasons. In my personal observation, most rich people from other countries don't care about US citizenship. The value of US citizenship is known and talked most by poor and middle class immigrants (including professional like doctors, scientists, etc) who find a great living in the US.
 
Sanjoseaug20 is right, I am off by a couple years... One could probably spot my friend Mahesh in Fremont back in these days - only Desi guy driving a Midwest-approved Pontiac Grand Am :-). Eventually he followed the money and he's a senior partner in an SAP consultancy in Hyderabat while we're still digging ditches using QNX...

The change is happening in Europe, too. I was amazed to see how much more 'diverse' (not SFO diverse, but at least US Midwest diverse) Germany has become - I mean, one can see women in Indian dress, Indian groceries, and the usual Indian coders etc in the usual companies.

I guess the true judges here would be the Desis from our Bangalore office doing temporary duty either in our German or US locations. The US location is far more popular :D. The German bound Desis complain about the food, like the attractions, and curse the shopping. The US bound ones head straight to Fry's or to Chicago's Devon Str. :D

Note to self: Remind boss I need a trip to Bangalore :) as I'm transitioning a project there...
 
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PerpetualGC- You write extremely interesting stuff… might have a career in script writing :). Good luck!

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