Will this random and rapid processing continue after 6/30/2004

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peeved

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Folks,

I have read various posts and responses here about how USCIS is processing cases in a random order. While it is very frustrating for some of us to see getting cases approved in a random order, at least on the bright side some of us are getting approved.

While some of us believe that we may have started seeing adjudications, albeit in random order, due to the law suit filed Mr Khanna -- and I do hope, most fervently, that is the case indeed -- most of us are also aware that the ombudsman Mr Khatari is supposed to submit his first report to the congress on USCIS' performance on 6/30/04.

My worst fear is what if all this commotion at USCIS in adjudications is due to the impending report to be submitted by Mr Khatari? Perhaps, they want to make their statistics look as good as they possibly can before 6/30/04. What if they go back to their old lull after 6/30/04 and wake up again a couple months before the next report is due on 6/30/05? (And that will make me extra peeved.)

Also, what happens to the lawsuit if the incumbet government is voted out in the elections this fall? Some of the respondents on our lawsuit, such as Tom Ridge and John Ashcroft, are political appointees. They are almost certain to be replaced if a new government is elected. Will this give USCIS an excuse to buy more time on the grounds that since there are new appointments they are waiting for new policies/directives?

What would be the courts approach to such a circumstance since the incumbent respondents are no longer in office and hence not responsible?

Any thoughts folks?

Sincerely,
 
peeved said:
Folks,

I have read various posts and responses here about how USCIS is processing cases in a random order. While it is very frustrating for some of us to see getting cases approved in a random order, at least on the bright side some of us are getting approved.

While some of us believe that we may have started seeing adjudications, albeit in random order, due to the law suit filed Mr Khanna -- and I do hope, most fervently, that is the case indeed -- most of us are also aware that the ombudsman Mr Khatari is supposed to submit his first report to the congress on USCIS' performance on 6/30/04.

My worst fear is what if all this commotion at USCIS in adjudications is due to the impending report to be submitted by Mr Khatari? Perhaps, they want to make their statistics look as good as they possibly can before 6/30/04. What if they go back to their old lull after 6/30/04 and wake up again a couple months before the next report is due on 6/30/05? (And that will make me extra peeved.)

Also, what happens to the lawsuit if the incumbet government is voted out in the elections this fall? Some of the respondents on our lawsuit, such as Tom Ridge and John Ashcroft, are political appointees. They are almost certain to be replaced if a new government is elected. Will this give USCIS an excuse to buy more time on the grounds that since there are new appointments they are waiting for new policies/directives?

What would be the courts approach to such a circumstance since the incumbent respondents are no longer in office and hence not responsible?

Any thoughts folks?

Sincerely,
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Well frankly I would not worry about this . We are already in the worst possible situation. There is no clear documented proecure about how USCIS is processing cases. I am sure nothing is going to change (if that is going to comfort you) which in itself is a bad thing.
 
First of all, we are only seeing random processing, not rapid processing. So we have very little to lose after 6/30/04 :) . The pace of approvals may depend more on status of lawsuit. If they feel that the pressure on them has reduced (due to judge's favorite actions), then they will go back to pre lawsuit speed :o (the pace was horribly slow during last year).
At this stage, we have one important responsibility. We need to make the immigration sub committee aware of our problems and slow progress of I485. This has to be done before 6/30 so that the congress men can ask the CIS some questions about the I485 backlogs. That will put some real pressure on them. That's why we are thinking about Fax campaign now (project Cosmos).
 
dsatish,

Thanks for your response. :)

It all depends on your definition of "rapid". To me it definitely is rapid when I compare it to, say, the past couple of years. (Not trying to be argumentative here :) )

Now making the immigration sub-committee aware of our problems sounds like a good idea. Are we making any progress on it?

(Though given the fact that we don't have any voting clout, I wonder if any one is going to be actually sympathetic to us. Still no harm in not leaving any stone unturned.)

I'll check it out to see what I can do to contribute my bit.
 
For all practical purposes a report is not written or created the night before the due date... meaning the report normally states statistics up to the prior month (May) and maybe an estimated numbers for the next month or the year - based on the historical numbers and or improvements expect. So, I don't think the approvals that we see during this month (June 04) is because the report is due June 30th.
 
For all practical purposes a report is not written or created the night before the due date... meaning the report normally states statistics up to the prior month (May) and maybe an estimated numbers for the next month or the year - based on the historical numbers and or improvements expected. So, I don't think the approvals that we see during this month (June 04) is because the report is due June 30th. Yes, it could be due to the various pressures (mostly the law suit) and their natural reaction to prove it is otherwise than stated in the lawsuit. My 2cents.

.....R
 
sgi,

Thanks very much for the link. I'll do whatever is humanly possible. :)

rawager,

While you bring up a very good point, gone are the days of numbers assimilated manually and reports typed on a manual type writer.

With today's technology people create the outline of a report and fill in, or update, the details as and when they become available or on an as needed basis. Editing does not require the whole report to be retyped, just the section that needs to be updated. Today's computing technologies allow one to run a query at the last moment and update the report. Printing, then, to an adobe pdf driver is going to be a piece of cake. I can leave the rest to your imagination.

No offence to anyone! My purpose is not to be argumentative, I am just trying to solicit ideas and see what others are thinking. Perhaps, someone will come up with something that we may want to try and preempt as a community.

Thank you all for taking time out of your day to read and post responses. :)
 
Peeved, what you point out is very true... information is definitely at fingertips, specially numbers and number crunching has become more efficient lately. However, only one question, I have - ever wondered why big corporations whoes IT dept and applications are much better than INS, still provide financial information for the prior quarter and not upto the last minute?

Not being argumentive either... but there has to be a cutoff period for any data asimilations... and it normally is not the day the reports are due.

.....R
 
rawager said:
Peeved, what you point out is very true... information is definitely at fingertips, specially numbers and number crunching has become more efficient lately. However, only one question, I have - ever wondered why big corporations whoes IT dept and applications are much better than INS, still provide financial information for the prior quarter and not upto the last minute?

Not being argumentive either... but there has to be a cutoff period for any data asimilations... and it normally is not the day the reports are due.

.....R
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You make an excellent point.

The only thing I will say is that so many people have been disappointed with INS in the past that they are watching this situation with caution.

It has been about 3 months since INS went away and changed into USCIS. I have seen that USCIS has done an excellent job in the last 3 months of changing the way that they have done business in the past. But it has only been three months and you cannot achieve much in such a short period. Lot of work remains to be done and all we have to do is wait and watch where the wind flies. Ofcourse, as a community we should continue with our efforts. Maybe things will change .. maybe if they maintain this pace and make more changes for betterment, people will start trusting them.

Just my 2 cents or as someone said on this board 2 paisa :)
 
dazzling said:
You make an excellent point.

The only thing I will say is that so many people have been disappointed with INS in the past that they are watching this situation with caution.

It has been about 3 months since INS went away and changed into USCIS. I have seen that USCIS has done an excellent job in the last 3 months of changing the way that they have done business in the past. But it has only been three months and you cannot achieve much in such a short period. Lot of work remains to be done and all we have to do is wait and watch where the wind flies. Ofcourse, as a community we should continue with our efforts. Maybe things will change .. maybe if they maintain this pace and make more changes for betterment, people will start trusting them.

Just my 2 cents or as someone said on this board 2 paisa :)
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Well USCIS is the same old INS my friend. It is just the name change (in reality). So do not day-dream that things have improved or things will improve. Whatever you consider as improvements are results of plans in process for a long.................................... time.
 
rawager, you certainly bring up the most interesting points. :)

With Financial Systems, businesses don't always receive payments on time. Nor do they pay on time. Legally they are required to wait for at least 90 days before writing off an expected payment as a loss. So final numbers are usually not available until about 90 days after the end of a quarter.

But at any given time, up to the minute financial statement/balance sheet is always available. It's just not released to the public.

In this case, unless I missed something, I do not think there are any numbers that are not "final" at any given time. A case is either adjudicated or it's not. It is that "black and white". The outcome of a case may not be predictable, but whether it is adjudicated or not is always a certainty. So providing up to the minute numbers or adjudicated versus number of outstanding cases will only make USCIS look better.

I have observed people report either old numbers/data or up to the minute data - depending on whatever serves their purpose best.

So if my guess is right, and all this IS indeed driven by the Ombudsman's report then probably they will report as up to the minute data as possible. Else probably they won't. I guess I'll just have to wait and see. :)
 
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