What steps if taken ..... will be helpfull for EB Immigrants ....

nTan

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What steps if taken, on the undocumented immigrants will be helpfull for EB immigrants ?

I think the following will be best for our interest.

* Do Nothing .... Lets be maintain the status quo.

or

* Give them Blanket Amnesty and grant them Citizenship directly.


No Guest worker program or any sort of things ... which will make them jump all the legal hoops.


My Arguments:
If Guest worker program is started ... then the limited USCIS resources will all be consumed with this mammoth task... All the attorneys will be more interested in doing the guest worker rather than EB as ... they would be more in number and easier and less intricate.

Whats your take on this .......
 
Absolutely right. I just don't believe in the idea that they would not jump ahead of the legal people. It simply not practical. For those of us who have got the I-485 already being processed - given current preadjudication initiave by the USCIS - that may work since the visa numbers would be increased and earlier I-485 cases could be approved. Once such massive guest-worker program is approved though, the pressure to get millions and millions of illegal aliens legalized and ready to VOTE will be such that our small group in the back of the line, again. Sorry if I can't give you a more positive guess, but this is what I am saying based on past observations.

Granting them citizenship right away wouldn't help either. Processing is still required for the citizenship process, background check, etc.


nTan said:
What steps if taken, on the undocumented immigrants will be helpfull for EB immigrants ?

I think the following will be best for our interest.

* Do Nothing .... Lets be maintain the status quo.

or

* Give them Blanket Amnesty and grant them Citizenship directly.


No Guest worker program or any sort of things ... which will make them jump all the legal hoops.


My Arguments:
If Guest worker program is started ... then the limited USCIS resources will all be consumed with this mammoth task... All the attorneys will be more interested in doing the guest worker rather than EB as ... they would be more in number and easier and less intricate.

Whats your take on this .......
 
Amnesty... you are kidding right? All of us here put in several years of waiting through legal channels and you think granting blanket amnesty + citizenship to the undocumenteds will help us?

How would you like to be slapped then told to pay up for getting slapped? It's an insult, and if Amnesty happens, I am packing my bags...

I prefer that we NOT pin our hopes on that Immigration Bill... it's written with too much reference to the undocumenteds and I resent being counted together with them.

nTan said:
What steps if taken, on the undocumented immigrants will be helpfull for EB immigrants ?

I think the following will be best for our interest.

* Do Nothing .... Lets be maintain the status quo.
or
* Give them Blanket Amnesty and grant them Citizenship directly.

No Guest worker program or any sort of things ... which will make them jump all the legal hoops.
My Arguments:
If Guest worker program is started ... then the limited USCIS resources will all be consumed with this mammoth task... All the attorneys will be more interested in doing the guest worker rather than EB as ... they would be more in number and easier and less intricate.
Whats your take on this .......
 
ufo2002 said:
Amnesty... you are kidding right? All of us here put in several years of waiting through legal channels and you think granting blanket amnesty + citizenship to the undocumenteds will help us?

IF Guest Worker program happens ... we might pushed back further .... even after Ur dates become current .... U may have to put many many more years...
 
The immediate citizenship you mention has been discarded by most players. Even the pro illegal alien group such as Sen. McCain, Kennedy and Pres. Bush have discarded that approach already.

nTan said:
IF Guest Worker program happens ... we might pushed back further .... even after Ur dates become current .... U may have to put many many more years...
 
marlon2006 said:
The immediate citizenship you mention has been discarded by most players. Even the pro illegal alien group such as Sen. McCain, Kennedy and Pres. Bush have discarded that approach already.


Yes but ... thats the only way ... that could benefit the EB Immigration... else if the guest worker kicks it ... It will kick EB real bad ....
 
The undocumented do want the Guest Worker Program too ... they are happy out here .. doing there job .. most have family and are home owners ...

They do not want to pay extra bucks to get an attorney and be recorded ...

They just do not want the 'state of being undocumented' to be a felony.

At best the congress should not touch this issue ... and if touched they would have to give them mass Amnesty.
 
That's correct. From talking to members of my church, who are illegals, they tell all the time they just to want to remain as is instead of becoming temporary guest-workers. Most illegals I know from my church are driving new Lexus, SUV's, etc. They are making between $7,000-12,000/month. I am not kidding. It is true. They pay not a dime in taxes.

Regarding that discussion on people who has been here "for more than five years" applying for the GC, just forget it. If such guest-worker/amnesty program goes through, *everyone* illegally present in the US could apply and easily present documentation proving they are in this country for X numbers of years. Where X is the number required by the government. These folks are using fake passports, fake driver's license that one cannot tell the difference. It would be for them a piece of cake present forged utility bills or what have you to demonstrated they have been here for ten years. What do they have to lose anyway ? Thye are not like you and me afraid of being sued or dismissed upon presenting false information to the US government. These folks go around telling and showing they have fake passports with the same simplicity as you when you are filling your EAD renewal. It is scary when you see what is really happen in the US.

Nadi said:
The undocumented do want the Guest Worker Program too ... they are happy out here .. doing there job .. most have family and are home owners ...

They do not want to pay extra bucks to get an attorney and be recorded ...

They just do not want the 'state of being undocumented' to be a felony.

At best the congress should not touch this issue ... and if touched they would have to give them mass Amnesty.
 
OK, this is a little off-topic, but since we are now talking about the good life of some undocumenteds in this country...
When I applied for my home loan, the banker asked me for my legal residence status (citizen, GC, etc) and I mentioned that I am a H1-B worker. From that point in time until my loan was approved (took 3 weeks), I had to explain several times to several bank officers about the difference between the I-797 DOJ paper and the Visa Stamp in my passport. The expiration date in the Visa Stamp had already passed but I did get an extension on the I-797. The bankers, being unfamiliar with the H1B process, obviously got confused and at first thought I had overstayed my visa and became illegal.
So I would like to know the little secret these undocumenteds have in getting such a good life here. Is it just because a majority of them speak a certain language that they get a free pass on loans?
*note: I am not racist*
 
i dont know how many of the illegals rea making 7000-12000/per month.........since most of them are unskilled (only few of them are blue collar...which still means $15-20/hr...if they work for someone else).....i can imagine if some one owns an enterprise to be making that kind of money....
 
Initially when I was told they started their "enterprise" I thought they were kidding. They apply for those ITIN from IRS, get a form and go around saying that they have an "enterprise". Big deal. Of course if you work at McDonald's you wouldn't be making lots of money. It varies from region though.My sample here in Washington state involves about 30 people and growing. They started their job a couple of years ago, as housecleaners. They charge $80-120$ per session. They easily clean 3-5 houses a day. Do the math.
Then many of them are also taking over construction jobs. I personally talk to one last week. At Home Depot, a professional wanted $300.00 to do some installation of new sinks, faucets, etc in my condo. The illegal aliens are charging $150.00 for the same job. The result is that many Americans in construction jobs in my region are pissed. My friend recently bought a new house here in Seattle and we were discussing yesterday the poor quality of finishing, painting, etc. He noted that from talking to people doing his construction work he found out there were illegals, just making less money than Americans probably. This is an example of skilled job being taken by unskilled people. Since they pay no taxes at all, obviously the net gain is high.

Now regarding how illegals get away to buy houses here, I don't know either. When I bought my first condo, Washington Mutual wanted 10% downpayment. I was on H1B.

I just know a fellow who I am sure it is illegally here (from my wife's church) was very happy 2 weeks ago he bought a $600K house, 100% financing. It is true he got higher interest rates. He is gladly paying $3,700/month for his house, but he is making a pile of money.

Also, there are other things that is making this country a sanctuary for illegal aliens. People are coming here, still married in Latin America, but show up here and both illegals get married again with a new partner. I know a case of illegal aliens preparing a huge wedding party and just having fun. America is the sanctuary for the out of law now. By legalizing this people and extending the red carpet, expect 20 million already here to bring their relatives who most likely have the same socialist agenda and make here a replica of Latin America. If one thinks that is a good thing, my question is going to be instaneous:try to move there and see it by yourself.


techy2468 said:
i dont know how many of the illegals rea making 7000-12000/per month.........since most of them are unskilled (only few of them are blue collar...which still means $15-20/hr...if they work for someone else).....i can imagine if some one owns an enterprise to be making that kind of money....
 
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