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URGENT - Pls Help - 2nd interview tomorrow

Urgent - Pls help.
I just receive a letter for n-400 "review appointment" today, and the appointment date is tomorrow (9/1)

I had initial interview on 8/4, and was asked to provide police clearance(since my fingerprint didn't go thru due to dry hands) , W2s, and evidence which can prove our martial union. I told the officer that my husband is currently out of the country for business trip. I did provide a letter from his employer stating that he is temporarily out of town for doing an assignment overseas, and I also mailed the deed of trust of our property, certificate of our cars, as well as insurance statements, bills, bank statements etc. All of these documents have both of our names on it. I mailed everything back on 8/10.

I receive a letter this evening and it asks for another interview. In the letter, it states "Reason for Appointment : Marital Union"

We've been dated for 8 years and been married for 4 years. We are no doubt a pair of happy sweetie couple. But it's just coincident that my husband is out of town when I had my citizenship appointment. This is it. I have nothing to hide for immigration.

Can anyone give me some clues about this appointment?
 
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Cookie, please excuse that I reply without having specific experience with NATZ interviews - but if it is any help, I think you can be happy that this second interview is about your marriage and nothing else. The officers either don't have your information you send, they got it too late (after they initiated the second interview) or they just need to confirm everything with you in person. Either way, it is pretty simple: you are married and you can prove any way they would like you to. I believe you can be confident and calm.
I hope you will hear from somebody with specific experience ...

Alex
 
Thanks Alex

Thank you Alex. I also told myself that I should stay calm and confident because I have nothing to hide or to lie.
During my initial interivew I explained clearly and the officer said "as long as it is temporarily and involuntarily seperation, it is okay. We understand it"
I just feel frustrated since I've told all these to the officer and just wonder why they come back for the same issue.
And I wonder what else I can provide if they want to ask for additional proof?
 
2nd interview

I went to the appointment. The actual "interview" time was about 10 mins while I've been waited for 5 hours.
I finally sat down in the officer's office after 5 hours wait and he started off the interview with many many false statements against me. The first question he asked me was "are you here today as married or divorced?", then he kept on saying I violate the 3 years rule since we are not living together, we are not marital union, and said I lie since they find out my husband is out of the country.
I kind of interrupt him since I cannot stand for all those false statements. I told him that "Sir, first of all, I must tell you that I didn't lie since I am one who DISCLOSE that my husband is out of town" (they said they FIND OUT, hey, this is totally different!!!! :mad: )
I then defense and hold very firmly that I and my husband are happy couple and we live together everyday. It's just the timing that he has to accept a job assignment to work overseas on the date of my citizenship interview. I said since spouse is not required at the interivew so when his boss asks him to go, he just go. Then I told him that I mentioned all of these to the initial interview officer who i met on 8/4. This officer said "Nope, he only wrote you guys are not living together, your husband works overseas"
I was like "What the h~~~!!"
I then continue to tell the truth and I said I can show the phone records and email printouts as a proof that we communicate everyday while my husband is on business trip, but the officer didn't want to see them. I noticed that he looked at my eyes. I guess because some people who lie may not dare to look at people's eyes. So for me, I just looked back on him in his eyes the same way. Again, I have nothing to hide.
After 2-3 minutes talk, he suddenly stopped me in the middle of my talk and shaked my hand and said "okay, I believe what you said"
Then i asked him, "so what's up now?"
He shaked my hand again and said "you are fine. you will receive oath letter in the mail"

I hope this means okay??? Now I will watch for the oath letter in the mailbox. If it doesn't arrive in the next couple weeks or so, then I will start to worry what's up again????

In short, I think the purpose of this 2nd interview is they are trying to catch if you lie, and trying to challenge (with false statements) and see how you react. (well, this is kind of mean...)
And a very clear picture is they want to tell all applicants that "don't lie or we will catch you"

Good luck to you all!!
 
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Good for you Cookie, however I'd like to advise you to NOT trust USCIS 100%. Their job is not to serve you to get your paperwork, but on the contrary, make sure that FIRST you are not deportable or deniable based on whatever you've done in the past. In their eyes, ALL of us are guilty until proven otherwise.

So if I were you, I would look for the oath letter in the mail, but also keep my eyes on the 120-days period after the initial interview.
 
Publicus, thanks for your advice. And I do agree what you said about USCIS - they see ALL of us are guilty until we prove otherwise.

So I am still worry until I got the oath letter in the mail. What i can do for now is to keep my finger cross. I will post my updates as soon as i hear anything from CIS.
 
"Cookie"

During your initial (first) interview, USCIS were not satisfied with your explanation as to why your husband is not living together with you, even though you did tell them truly about your husband having been working at oversees. The fact is-it doesn’t matter how much explanation or submission of documentation an applicant presents to USCIS to prove a fact, officer can still disregard all those explanations/documentations if officer doesn’t feel convinced. Their satisfaction and conviction on a fact are all matter. So obviously, there is nothing a person can do except appealing the decision. Thereby, officer initially did not believe you and suspected that you were separated from your husband even though you tried very hard to tell him about the truth. If you had filed your citizenship application based upon being a LPR for 5 yrs, then no question would have asked, but since your citizenship application is based upon being a LPR for 3 yrs because of being married to US citizen for 3 yrs, then they had no other choice except just to make sure that their doubt about your marital relationship gets ruled out.

The documentations you submitted to them on 8/10 about proving your ‘on-going marital relationship’ with your husband, might have misplaced or crossed in the mail with the appointment letter for a second interview. And, who knows that they were still not convinced about your ‘on-going’ marital relationship even though you submitted them a letter from your husband’s employer. A lot of people do such things despite of being separated with their spouses for citizenship purpose, wherein US-spouses are a willing party in this deceit. That’s why, USCIS might have disregarded employer letter that you submitted to them.

Therefore, the ONLY reason for USCIS to have conducted a second interview with you was-just to make sure that you are still together in a marital relationship with your husband, especially when they did mention on the notice for second appointment about this as a reasoning to have a second interview with you. Be noted that ‘together in a marital relationship’ doesn’t mean that just legally married. Being legally married with a US citizen alone is not enough for citizenship purpose as per immigration laws. Rather couple needs to be very much in a ‘happily ever after’ kinda marital relationship. Any formal or informal separation between the parties breaks the continuity of a marital relationship for citizenship purpose, unless separation is temporary.

I don’t see any reason for you to get worried now as those suspicions about your marital union have been cleared up. Your case has been approved, especially when- (1) officer shacked his hand with you; otherwise they don’t shack their hands; (2) Officer did tell you that you are fine; otherwise they don’t say this; (3) Officer did tell you that you would receive Oath letter in the mail; otherwise they NEVER say about Oath letter. Just be happy and enjoy a little time that you have as a LPR because you are going to be a US citizen very soon. Trust me.

Enjoy.
 
Johnnycash

Thanks for your reply, Johnnycash. I have been visiting this forum for about a month and I have seen that you posted a lot of valuable information and opinion in many threads. I am glad that you finally come to my thread because I do value your opinion very much!

I am actually somehow regret that why I "disclose" my husband was out of town. During my first interview, the officer asked me where is my husband then I just basically told him the fact - my husband is out of town...
This is like opening a can of worms...am I a fool?

I was really surprised when the review officer told me that the initial officer DID NOT write down anything about this is a temporary business trip but instead he wrote down my husband works overseas (permanently)
I am worry and feel lack of trust of those officers because they seems enjoy "making up" their own story to against the applicants. (And I am worry that this review officer makes up another story again...who knows??)

Thanks for your kind words. I do hope they really satisfy with the 2nd interview and do send the oath letter to me soon.
 
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"Cookie"

I personally don’t think that you were fool just because you told to the officer the truth about where is your husband when he asked: “Where is your husband?” However, I think you could have answered tactfully on this without lying. You should have said-“He is working”. This way, you would have told them a truth without opening a can of worms. But I do understand that mostly people could not think about tactful answers in a matter of blink.

Actually, the reviewing officer on a second interview was just lying to you as a part of a trick just to test/find something on you when he told you that the previous officer wrote that your husband is working permanently at oversees. The reviewing officer was actually a ‘field investigation’ officer, and these kinds of officers are fully trained to detect fraud or a lie. That’s why, the first question he asked you-“Are you here today as married or divorced?” That’s why also he made many untruthful statement, but relevant ones when he said that you guys are not living together, and that you are not in a marital union, and that they found out that your husband is out of the country, etc. etc. etc. Actually, he knew what you told to previous officer at initial interview, but since that officer was not satisfied by your explanation, he forwarded your case to ‘Field Investigation’ for investigating/knowing the fact. About you not trusting them, then I hope that you would understand that all those “make up” statements made by reviewing officer, was just a part of his trick/plot against you to trace a lie thru you. That’s what ‘field Investigation’ officers do whenever second interview is called upon. But, it is over now. Thereby, you don’t have to worry anymore. Just be patience and take it easy.

Thank you very much for valuing my opinions and for reading my other postings. This does motivate me to keep continue what I’m most passionate about.

By the way, one day when I would get married, I certainly hope and pray to be like you guys- “a pair of happy sweetie couple”. ;) So obviously, I'm very much interested to know the secret of you guys to have been “a pair of happy sweetie couple”. :rolleyes:

:)
 
Johnny Cash, I didn't know you were a romantic man. :p I know you are an insider in USCIS, and I too value your comments and participation in the forum. I know you have a heart for immigrants and you much understand that America is powerful because we are a nation of immigrants.

Thank you for your valuable insight.
 
Thanks

Thanks again Johnnycash.
I feel much better now - about what that "field investigation officer" said to me. I will wait for the oath letter then.

Well, there isn't any secret of being "a pair of happy sweetie couple", I think it would be "natural" when a person truely finds his/her Mr./Mrs. Right. :D
Do you agree?

It's really great to have you here in this forum, keep it up! ;)
 
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Publicus

Publicus said:
Johnny Cash, I didn't know you were a romantic man. :p .
Click to expand...

What made you to think so? The truth is-JohnnyCash was a singer, a romantic one. My heart also "beats" like everyone else. Besides, I'm "hopefully" romantic-"Serving one's own passion is greatest slavery". :)
 
"cookie"

cookie99 said:
Well, there isn't any secret of being "a pair of happy sweetie couple", I think it would be "natural" when a person truely finds his/her Mr./Mrs. Right.
Click to expand...

You have actually mentioned on HOW a person finds his/her Mr./Mrs. Right, but it still did not give me any clue/hint to know the secret of you're being a "pair of happy sweetie couple". Just kidding.

It is true that a great chemistry between two people generates naturally. However, as far as I'm concerned then all I can say that-at the crossroads of life (about love), I’ve hit a few stumbling blocks along the way, but I'm still standing & smiling. However, I do believe VERY MUCH in love (chemistry) at first sight, but true love is something that I have yet to experience. Hopefully, someday someone would make this "alienated" idea of true love possible to me. :p

By the way, my quick wits maybe harp at times, but they are never ill minded. ;)
 
Mrs. Right

Johnnycash, sending you my best wishes and hope you will meet your Mrs. Right very soon ;)

Thanks for your information on my case again.

I will keep everyone posted if i hear any updates from CIS. Good luck to you ALL!
 
oath letter

I still haven't received the oath letter yet. I was told that I should expect my oath letter in 1-2 weeks. It's now 2 weeks from my second interview date.

Does anyone (esp Johnnycash) know if the "field investigation officer" is the final officer who approve the case?
Or the "field investigation officer" has to ask his/her supervisor the review the case again?
Many thanks.
 
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received oath letter

I received my oath letter today. That's for Oct 14, 2005 ceremony in SF masonic center.
Thank you sfbayguy, gimmeshelter, AlexanderG, Johnnycash, Publicus for sharing and listening (reading).
Good Luck to you all :D
 
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Isn't it I told you earlier to keep patience and enjoy whatever days left for you as a LPR, because your application has already been approved?

Happy for you. Just don't get involve in any fight/crime until Oath is taken.

Good luck to you in other walks of life. :)
 
Johnnycash

Thank you for reading my thread/case again.
Your opinion and encouragement did help me relax for the past couple weeks. I really appreciate it.
Wish you the same :D
 
Congratulations Cookie, I am very very much happy for you. :) :) :) Your story gives me so much hope.

As I write this I am praying that God will finally send me my Oath Letter. I've been waiting so long for it, and never done anything wrong. I know He has some lesson to teach me and I believe I learned it. It's time for me to become a U.S. Citizen and finally focus on other things in my life.

This ordeal drains me so much and I am terribly in need for a change.
 
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