unitednations received an email from Sona Shah

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unitednations received an email from Sona Shah.

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For original post Refer Post #50 in Sona Shah - An American Citizen - fights against H-1B abuse thread.

Following is the actual message:

I received following e-mail from Sona,


Hi,

I'm Sona Shah, the Indian-American who has nothing against the H1B visa itself, only against corporations who abuse the program resulting in exploitation of foreign workers and American residents including green card holders and citizens.

I've been trying to post to the forum to clear up some of the confusion but the webmaster is not letting me in.

I was hoping that you might post a reply for me:

I have nothing against the H1 visa, or any other visa.
My friend atWilco, Kai Barrett was an H1 visa employee. I have nothing against green card holders or immigration in general. I'm an immigrant myself. All I'm seeking is the reform of corporate abuse of these programs. Please tell the readers of the post that I am not anti-visa or anti-immigration.

One thing that I'd like to emphasize in my experience on this issue is that people become very divisive and take sides. Americans often point fingers and say that guest workers/immigrants come here to take jobs.
For their part the guest workers/immigrants say Americans don't deserve their jobs or livlihoods.

What Kai and I learned, is that our civil rights are connected. It makes no sense for American residents and guest workers to be on opposite sides of the fence. Guys - we're all workers. As you can see from what happened at my company, abusing one group only opens the doors to abusing the other. If companies could not underpay the foreign workers, they wouldn't discriminate against Americans.

My hope is that people, whether it be the guest worker or the American resident worker (green card/citizen), that they respect that we're all workers and that our rights are connected. My hope is that we all stand up against discrimination and abuse.

And finally, that I recognize that not all companies abuse visa programs like the H1B. But that there are enough abusers, and enough holes in the system, that it is ripe for abuse. This is all I'm seeking to reform. I hope for a day that guest workers on any visa have the full rights and privileges for working in America that citizens have and that citizens are not displaced.

While often ignored and downplayed, I say to any reader of such posts who are guest workers here seeking permanent residency: remember that unless you too fight against this abuse, that you are fighting for the right to become me, disenfranchised and unemployed. If you're a guest worker seeking to live in America on a long-term basis, its as important for you to fight for what I'm fighting for. Otherwise, you'll swim to this shore to find it devoid of the dream you came seeking.

Let's all stand up for human, civil and employment rights.

Sincerely,

Sona Shah

 

[puerthoughts]

Makes sense to me. Also we all can benefit in long term if the companies who are running the GC shops stop abusing the system and only apply the GC for the legitimate applicants. It may get fewer Green Cards to desi people but at least people will have a better vision about their future. Also looking at the economy and jobs situation in India, people can survive well there than having to stuck here in the GC mud.

 

[posmd]

Litmus test

Taken at face value, this letter has a lot of merit. However knowing only too well the modus operandi of the anti immigration movement, organisations such as FAIR and Numbersusa etc. I am not sure what to believe is her intent.

If she truly believes what she says, she ought to along with modifying the H1b visa program, Lobby for a reduction in Immigrant visa delays, against retrogression in general, and for a system that decides that if a worker is truly in short supply where the employer pays the fair and going wage (or slightly above it) then the green card approval process should be less than 1 year.
After all a worker in green card limbo is not good for labour in general right?

So the million dollar question to me is..................Will she support us in lobbying for provisions that will reduce/improve retrogression. If she infact does that then we can agree to work with her to point out the flaws in the H1b program.

If she is not willing to do so then she ought to quit trying to post here and go on and continue to schmooze with her Numbersusa and FAIR friends.

 

[JANHK]

I am not convinced about Sona Sha's arguments. Or may be this is just to make some distractions from the real issues...may be a plot by the anti-immigration groups like our old friend Lou Dobbs.

She is accusing companies for abusing the system...by doing so a broken immigration system escaped the focus. Companies are the real villans....not the system. sorry, I cannot buy that.

The system should provide a broad frame work to enact the immigration and should provide clear guidelines and controls to detect abuses. Companies will abuse the system when controls are weak. Think about Enron and Worldcom...when controls were weak and regulations were too soft on companies, they seems to have taken advantage.....not their fault as they want to make money. When SOX came, all these companies complied because it was a mandetory requirement. Companies will find ways to bypass SOX too in future, unless that regulation is updated/revised to suite the times. We cannot keep any system in the freezer, it should be updated and revised to meet new challenges.

So accusing comapnies for abuse of the system simply saves the face of ati-immigration lobby, by distracting attention from immigration reform to finger pointing. May be that is what she really want to achieve....who knows....

I agree with her points on Civil rights etc...

unitednations received an email from Sona Shah.

Thanks to unitednations.

For original post Refer Post #50 in Sona Shah - An American Citizen - fights against H-1B abuse thread.

Following is the actual message:

 

[SonaFight]

Sweety,

Your argument is invalid because men remain vile. Employers are hungry for cheap labor, no matter where. It is the task of the government to impose fair working conditions and audit in the place, otherwise many employers do take advantage of people. Imagine what this country would be without a minimal wage or workplace discrimination laws ? All those are examples of rules set by the government.

Cheers,

Young S

I am not convinced about Sona Sha's arguments. Or may be this is just to make some distractions from the real issues...may be a plot by the anti-immigration groups like our old friend Lou Dobbs.

She is accusing companies for abusing the system...by doing so a broken immigration system escaped the focus. Companies are the real villans....not the system. sorry, I cannot buy that.

The system should provide a broad frame work to enact the immigration and should provide clear guidelines and controls to detect abuses. Companies will abuse the system when controls are weak. Think about Enron and Worldcom...when controls were weak and regulations were too soft on companies, they seems to have taken advantage.....not their fault as they want to make money. When SOX came, all these companies complied because it was a mandetory requirement. Companies will find ways to bypass SOX too in future, unless that regulation is updated/revised to suite the times. We cannot keep any system in the freezer, it should be updated and revised to meet new challenges.

So accusing comapnies for abuse of the system simply saves the face of ati-immigration lobby, by distracting attention from immigration reform to finger pointing. May be that is what she really want to achieve....who knows....

I agree with her points on Civil rights etc...

 

[JANHK]

Double Sweety,

This is exactly my point. Did you read my post well? I am for govt intervention for regulatory framework and I will not blame companies.

Thanks

Sweety,

Your argument is invalid because men remain vile. Employers are hungry for cheap labor, no matter where. It is the task of the government to impose fair working conditions and audit in the place, otherwise many employers do take advantage of people. Imagine what this country would be without a minimal wage or workplace discrimination laws ? All those are examples of rules set by the government.

Cheers,

Young S

 

[USCIS_GC_APPRO]

Make Sence

I am not convinced about Sona Sha's arguments. Or may be this is just to make some distractions from the real issues...may be a plot by the anti-immigration groups like our old friend Lou Dobbs.

She is accusing companies for abusing the system...by doing so a broken immigration system escaped the focus. Companies are the real villans....not the system. sorry, I cannot buy that.

The system should provide a broad frame work to enact the immigration and should provide clear guidelines and controls to detect abuses. Companies will abuse the system when controls are weak. Think about Enron and Worldcom...when controls were weak and regulations were too soft on companies, they seems to have taken advantage.....not their fault as they want to make money. When SOX came, all these companies complied because it was a mandetory requirement. Companies will find ways to bypass SOX too in future, unless that regulation is updated/revised to suite the times. We cannot keep any system in the freezer, it should be updated and revised to meet new challenges.

So accusing comapnies for abuse of the system simply saves the face of ati-immigration lobby, by distracting attention from immigration reform to finger pointing. May be that is what she really want to achieve....who knows....

I agree with her points on Civil rights etc...

 

[ufo2002]

The system should provide a broad frame work to enact the immigration and should provide clear guidelines and controls to detect abuses. Companies will abuse the system when controls are weak. Think about Enron and Worldcom...when controls were weak and regulations were too soft on companies, they seems to have taken advantage.....not their fault as they want to make money.

So based on your logic, I guess it's not my fault if police stopped enforcing
laws and I break into your home and help myself to your stuff. After all, the
people who are enforcing the laws aren't doing their jobs, it's THEIR fault.

Sorry, but "it takes two to tango". Meaning, for any company to commit fraud, it requires two things: the regulatory system to fail to enforce, and the company itself for deliberately intending to scam. That means both sides are at fault.

Which is why when applied to our immigration situation, two things need to be fixed... the system itself, and strong commitment to go after companies who abuse the system.