there is nothing more permanent than a

[TheInquisitor]

temporary worker. is one slogan and what sen. simpson said in 1986.

and some critics of CIR also use that slogan. now i ask you guys. unless i am mistaken, don't hb1 workers come here for six years and then have to leave? yes there are ways to adjust status during those six years, but as a group don't they have leave? don't they come because there aren't enough americans willing to do or able to do that a job? so what should happen when americans became willing and able? and there is soo much fraud and abuse in the programs such as this that it tells me that no guest worker program should start before we really get enforcement.

remember once that they actually gave like an additional 12k visas for hb1's because the system was chaotic. the perm rules are hard to understand and there is abuse there.

it is just weird how people keep trying to stay here when it was really for a while that they were to stay here.

 

[fore]

Agree with you there Inquisitor. H1b and all other temp programs are intended to do just that - alleviate a shortage temporarily. But no "temporary" worker ever wants to leave and there are so many loopholes in the law that nobody really has to leave, just apply, re-apply, appeal until eventually you find a way to stay.

A great example is the .bomb years. Between 2001 and 2003 was there really a shortage of programmers in the US? I think not. If the h1b program worked as intended, everyone with that visa should have left as the need for them was not there anymore as in theory if there is a qualfied American willing to take a job held by a foreigner with a work visa, the American should have first shot at it.

Just wait until the "temporary" workers from Mexico start showing up after the amnesty bill is implemented. It will make today's illegal immigrant problem seem small.

temporary worker. is one slogan and what sen. simpson said in 1986.

and some critics of CIR also use that slogan. now i ask you guys. unless i am mistaken, don't hb1 workers come here for six years and then have to leave? yes there are ways to adjust status during those six years, but as a group don't they have leave? don't they come because there aren't enough americans willing to do or able to do that a job? so what should happen when americans became willing and able? and there is soo much fraud and abuse in the programs such as this that it tells me that no guest worker program should start before we really get enforcement.

remember once that they actually gave like an additional 12k visas for hb1's because the system was chaotic. the perm rules are hard to understand and there is abuse there.

it is just weird how people keep trying to stay here when it was really for a while that they were to stay here.

 

[TheInquisitor]

Just wait until the "temporary" workers from Mexico start showing up after the amnesty bill is implemented. It will make today's illegal immigrant problem seem small.

yes, it will be a disaster. if the hb1 and hb2 are beyond chaotic and we at least are dealing with companies that have some kind of payroll system and things like that, how are we then to deal with mostly unskilled worker? we will go from regular companies to small ones.

and what makes you think they will be mexicans? at frist yes. then the chinese will take over. and don't forget indians and africans and others. what? indians can only do IT work? i am sure they could cut grass nail things down. and they are probably good at it too.

i do agree we need some kind of guest worker program after we get the enforcement part down. the senate bill actually does this believe it or not. i also think there should two paths. one that says you can't a gc and you just work. and the other would allow it, but most hurdles in place. some people just want to come and make money and leave.

 

[GCdreamer2006]

I am not sure if I understand your point, but you can't compare apples to oranges. I personally know a number of people who came on H1B and now are leaving the country at the determined date. I know a number of people who would like to stay if they could, but the permanent immigration sponsorship hasn't worked out. The vast majority of H1B are law abiding people. Typically those fine prints at the bottom of US forms "you can go to jail or get a fine if you provide false information" mean something to H1B's and very few would like to take risks and run into issues with US immigration even if they never have intentions to come back as immigrants.

On the other hand, low skilled "guest-workers" many times have nothing to lose. If they come here, chances are many would take the risk and stay instead of going back to the corrupt country they come from. I personally know several decent but illegal people who came here and they know how to beat the system;they fake every single document and don't care if many need to faslify documents.Since there are millions of them and not lots of effort from the government to counterattack fraud, many manage to stay OK. It is true that the H1B program may not be perfect, but saying that H1B's strech their period of staying illegally and the system doesn't work sounds to me incorrect.

I don't know details about your plans, but allowing "certain" illegal aliens to "stay" and making others to leave amounts to amnesty. It is what the 80's amnesty did. The only way to put an end to this and by enforcing reduction as that would send a message out there that the country is serious about it for the first time in 20 years.

I am sorry this truth goes against what you had in mind, The Inquisitor.

temporary worker. is one slogan and what sen. simpson said in 1986.

and some critics of CIR also use that slogan. now i ask you guys. unless i am mistaken, don't hb1 workers come here for six years and then have to leave? yes there are ways to adjust status during those six years, but as a group don't they have leave? don't they come because there aren't enough americans willing to do or able to do that a job? so what should happen when americans became willing and able? and there is soo much fraud and abuse in the programs such as this that it tells me that no guest worker program should start before we really get enforcement.

remember once that they actually gave like an additional 12k visas for hb1's because the system was chaotic. the perm rules are hard to understand and there is abuse there.

it is just weird how people keep trying to stay here when it was really for a while that they were to stay here.

 

[GCdreamer2006]

Which loophole can you explore if you don't find a permanent job offer ? I have a friend that bought his flight tickets to China. He is on H1B and never found any loophole there. Let me know.

Let me add that once if you find a US sponsor to offer you job, yes you can stay renewing your temporary visa, but for God's sake, it is because the greencard application is taking many and many years to get processed these days !

If you guys are trying to justify your amnesty intention by using H1B as a comparison, give up.

Agree with you there Inquisitor. H1b and all other temp programs are intended to do just that - alleviate a shortage temporarily. But no "temporary" worker ever wants to leave and there are so many loopholes in the law that nobody really has to leave, just apply, re-apply, appeal until eventually you find a way to stay.

A great example is the .bomb years. Between 2001 and 2003 was there really a shortage of programmers in the US? I think not. If the h1b program worked as intended, everyone with that visa should have left as the need for them was not there anymore as in theory if there is a qualfied American willing to take a job held by a foreigner with a work visa, the American should have first shot at it.

Just wait until the "temporary" workers from Mexico start showing up after the amnesty bill is implemented. It will make today's illegal immigrant problem seem small.

 

[jnayar2006]

Except that H1B visa is officially defined as a dual intent visa - a visa that assumes that the visa holder has the option to apply for, and if found deserving, qualify for permanent residency in the United States.

In addition to the time the H1B visa is sponsored, the time a labor petition for the employee (if the employer files for the employee's permanent residency) is filed is another time to ensure that there are no capable American citizens/permanent residents for the job. Please trust me when I say that the required recruitment effort for this step is quite substantial.

I am not saying there are no people misusing these rules - misuse of these rules (like any other rule) might surely be occuring. And the people who indulge in the misuse will get caught sooner rather than later, one would hope.

temporary worker. is one slogan and what sen. simpson said in 1986.

and some critics of CIR also use that slogan. now i ask you guys. unless i am mistaken, don't hb1 workers come here for six years and then have to leave? yes there are ways to adjust status during those six years, but as a group don't they have leave? don't they come because there aren't enough americans willing to do or able to do that a job? so what should happen when americans became willing and able? and there is soo much fraud and abuse in the programs such as this that it tells me that no guest worker program should start before we really get enforcement.

remember once that they actually gave like an additional 12k visas for hb1's because the system was chaotic. the perm rules are hard to understand and there is abuse there.

it is just weird how people keep trying to stay here when it was really for a while that they were to stay here.