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danp

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Guys

Why are we bothered with Senate Immigration reform bills......
Why are we in such a hurry to get the GC....I am also in a hurry..

As long as we can stay in this country....extending H1 till we get apporved...

Why are we(and me) so restless....and wasting the time

Dan
 
Let me give you the straight precise and bitter answer. Most of us are not happy with H1 b/c our employers abuse us in terms of lower pay, they keep the threat of lay offs and lack of career growth. We want freedom of choice, better working conditions and ability to start our our own businesses. Is what this country is all about? And worst, a lot many of us have been waiting many years for this GC process to finish (some waited many years just to begin it), NOW is the time we get our right.

danp said:
Guys

Why are we bothered with Senate Immigration reform bills......
Why are we in such a hurry to get the GC....I am also in a hurry..

As long as we can stay in this country....extending H1 till we get apporved...

Why are we(and me) so restless....and wasting the time

Dan
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Loss of money for me!

As far as I am concerned I am at a loss of $5000 per year. How - because all Alaska residents receive around $1000 per year per family member (oil permanent fund divident)!!!!
 
Chicago Desi said:
Let me give you the straight precise and bitter answer. Most of us are not happy with H1 b/c our employers abuse us in terms of lower pay, they keep the threat of lay offs and lack of career growth. We want freedom of choice, better working conditions and ability to start our our own businesses. Is what this country is all about? And worst, a lot many of us have been waiting many years for this GC process to finish (some waited many years just to begin it), NOW is the time we get our right.
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"Is that true" (employer's paying less?) for a particular industry sector/smaller consulting companies? Have forum members employed by Fortune 500 companies faced the same?
Curious because in my organization our IT/MIS group is primarily made of non-immigrants, and they are making the same if not more (in a few instances) than the citizens/residents... There are actually a couple of folks (Indians) who are one of the highest compensated in their pay-grade.
I have heard the same feelings from many of my friends from school or otherwise who have gone down the GC road.. It is not so much about compensation, more about the mobility both from a geographical as well as career perspective...
 
it is not just salary

problem is not just the salary. It is the pain of Visa extensions, getting it stamped on the passport. I feel in past 3-4 years what ever have happend in this country was anti immigrants. And I will put stopping the Visa issueing within US was on the top. You cannot rely on India for stamping as in all 4 consulates there is a backlog of 6-7 months. And then there are issues like Driver licenses, your dependents etc. etc. So it certainly is a pain to live on a visa in U.S. now. It was certainly okay 3-4 years back. And who knows what's there in the future. Some day they may say, no more Driver licenses for Visa holders, who knows??? they are currently having a very arrogant and anti immigrant administration. But as you are a perspective immigrant you really don't have any right to question anything.
 
1) Spouses on H4 cant work. Loss of 1 full income plus frustration etc.

2) Insecurity. You are screwed if you loose your job etc, you dont even have chance to look for another job. If over 6 yr limit you cant even do another job if you find one.

3) Because of point # 1 & 2 above feel stuck and feel disuaded from making major purchases like your own house etc - what will happen if I suddenly have to leave - will I be able to sell house etc ?

4) Many of us, especially those who came to this country as students on F1 have been here way too long to adjust to life back in India. Some of us have always worked for American Companies and never for a desi company in US or India. It is the fear of adjusting back to life in India which plays a part. Nothing against India per se but reality is some of us just feel more at home here now than in India.
 
Chicago Desi, neha_wal and texancanadian...your argument for us to stay hold good.

exactly these are the reasons why we want to get a GC and stay here.

but under the given circumstances, when getting a GC is almost becoming an impossible dream for most of us(EB3 and EB2after 2003), our plan B will have to be going back to india or any other country, isnt it?

to tell u the truth i will feel that i have been a victim of fate, if i have to take plan B, something like hit by rita and katrina together, and no home insurance...
 
The Biggest Headache i think is for guys on;

1. H1 nearing sixth year or may be already over ,
2. LC pending with PDs almost in Jan 2004 onwards.

These will have to face a lot of probs, since every year they have to extend the H1 paying at least $2300.00 (without Lawyer) and plus $190.00 each in case they have H4 dependents., so assuming 3 dependents( like me ), cost of extending H1 every year is $2700.00 at a minimum.
GOD Knows how many years we have to keep extending H1. I can understand for peole with families the average savngs per year would be around 4-5k depending on the area you live in. and paying for h1 out of that will suck your blood out. NO DOUBT.

For Guys on I-140 ( approved ) it is a little better, since they get H1 extensions in 3 years increments.

Guys in EADs are the least impacted.. with this

So, decide ..... Do you want to spend 14-15 in the next 5 years - just to be on H1 ?

Do your own math on savings .vs. a clear expense of 3k per year of H1.

or try Canadian immigration or Back to India

Thanks

LC pending with PD 08/2004
LC pending with PD 12/2004
 
I can understand how you guys feel

I can understand the question "If we can adjust back in India?", if and only if the following is true:
(1) You have your kids born here and are now atleast 6-7 yrs old. Its illogical at this stage to move to another country and adjust just because you don't have a GC. Administartion should take a "humaniatarian" view and grant some kind of work permit similar to the asylum work permits. These people then can apply for GCs after 18 months just like asylum seekers do.
(2) Same thing should be granted to people who studied here on F1, and have been working, living and paying taxes for 10+ yrs now. These people have been living legally and are now adjusted to american way of life.

But again this is something 'good' to do. This is not obligatory on part of administration and people of USA. Many people above are calling all these policies fair and unjust.
(1)When did USA promise you green card?.
(2)When you applied F1 you actually were asked to prove that you would not immigrate. Now you suddenly are demanding a GC?.
(3)Why are people complaining that "rules" have been changed midway?. The rules are same as they were last year. Yes because of increase in visa applications backlogs have incresed.Even your I485 application, explicitly says, "this is not a visa and as such application of 485 does not gaurantee a visa".
(4) Why are you guys so obssesed with getting something you never had to begin with?.
(5) True, some people like me got it and can be called as "Lucky". Or am I?.
I am no more lucky and no more unlucky than anybody. Green Card is not oxygen that you must have to survive.
(6) You guys are all in your primes. Why are you wasting this time developing ulcers and tensions?.
(7) World was never fair and sane to begin with. India is not Iraq that you can't live there. Nobody will drag you out of your car in Bangalore and shoot you.People are happy and struggling in worst situations. Think iraq, niger.
(8) You were never part of USA to begin with. What has happened is you have developed a liking for life here and naturally are unwilling to quit it. I can empathize with that. But think again, this life style was not yours to begin with. Its just you have started to assume that you are american now.

Please guys, don't get depressed. Life is more that a stupid GC. You can go back to bangalore and start up a future Infosys.
Did you know MBA students from Harvard and Princeton are interning in Bangalore?. And I am talking all white people who hate dirt, pollution more than any Indian?. Do you know some want to come and work in India for 2-3 atleast as they think its critical to do so in Globlized world.
Do you know salaries in India are going to increase atleast 400% in next 5 yrs while they are going to be stagnant or even decline in the US.

Take a optimistic view. India is not the land of snake charmers anymore. India is the place where they do Business in Global world now.
 
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It’s really confusing. At point you will feel stay cool do what you’re doing and face it as it comes. I postponed my trip last year on hopes that I will get EAD this year so why to go thru the pain of getting the Visa stamped In India etc.etc. But now after these new developments in last 12 months Backlog centers!!! Retrogression!!! Etc etc, I have changed my lifestyle. Now I give a damn to ‘what will happen’. I bought a house this Feb. bought a new car, and I am going to India in Dec. I am going to Canada to get the Visa stamped on my passport. I’m doing everything on Credit. Keeping my share minimum. If for some reason they don’t let me in. Mortgage company etc will have to deal with it I will say them good bye from India. India main who mere kutte ko bhee haath nahee laga sakte mere ko pareshaan karnaa tou door kee baat hai.
 
I would not do that credit thing Neha....

Few years back it was OK...
Now you run away taking credit. True they won't even touch your dog in India. But you will lose out on many good jobs. In globalized world all banks are linked now. You commit fraud here, you can kiss goodbye a career in India as well. now Infosys, Wipro and all are doing and implementing background searches.
Be careful with what you do.
 
Career stagnation is the worst part of all this !

I don't mind if the greencard takes 10 years to get completed. As long as I could change jobs, without any restrictions, that would be fine. We are stuck with one employer, and from there incoveniences and exploitation at certain extent may arise.

More recently my wife received the EAD, and it is fine, now she can work. For other people, spouses unable to get a working visa is a serious issue as well.

danp said:
Guys

Why are we bothered with Senate Immigration reform bills......
Why are we in such a hurry to get the GC....I am also in a hurry..

As long as we can stay in this country....extending H1 till we get apporved...

Why are we(and me) so restless....and wasting the time

Dan
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Hey Vsaksena,

Not sure if it is about paying less. For a number of people, there is a natural pressure to work harder, 'longer hours' and keep the job going. Losing a job in temporary work visa means going back home. That can be perceived as a failure to a number of people. Therefore the salary may indeed be the same for both residents and non-residents. The problem that I've seen is that many times the non-residents work more hours/week.

If you take into account those 'extra' hours worked, you will realize that the salary may indeed be lower for the non-resident folks.



vsaksena said:
"Is that true" (employer's paying less?) for a particular industry sector/smaller consulting companies? Have forum members employed by Fortune 500 companies faced the same?
Curious because in my organization our IT/MIS group is primarily made of non-immigrants, and they are making the same if not more (in a few instances) than the citizens/residents... There are actually a couple of folks (Indians) who are one of the highest compensated in their pay-grade.
I have heard the same feelings from many of my friends from school or otherwise who have gone down the GC road.. It is not so much about compensation, more about the mobility both from a geographical as well as career perspective...
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Alhindi let me tell you somefacts about India.
1) Did you recently hear 'Sonia G' alias xyz maino has been nominated for Nobel Peace award.
2) We are being ruled by the likes and Laloo Yadav himself.
3) You think India is still progressing, I'm telling you you'll see how it will come to a jam in a year or 2.
4) I read in an article last government was building about 7000 KM of highways in a year, the new pace is about 174 KM / Year
5) You think Super sardar is the PM or even xyz maino is the PM, The actuall rulers are red underwears, so you may know all the disinvestment have been either cancelled or postponed.
6) Did you hear any development oriented Bill/government move since new government took over
7) Did you hear anything good from the so called great FM
8) You might have allready heard about the infrastructure chaos in Bangalore/Mumbai
9) As Chandrababu is out you'll see Hyderabad crumbling very soon.
10) Delhi never had I.T. jobs so there nothing in Delhi for me
11) I'm willing to live in Antartica than to live in Chennai.
Can you give me any other choice. I don't want to go to Canada either. Jahan jaane kaa mun nahee hai wahan ka immigration apply karne kaa kya point hai.
 
Filing Fee Correction

naudurivsm said:
The Biggest Headache i think is for guys on;

1. H1 nearing sixth year or may be already over ,
2. LC pending with PDs almost in Jan 2004 onwards.

These will have to face a lot of probs, since every year they have to extend the H1 paying at least $2300.00 (without Lawyer) and plus $190.00 each in case they have H4 dependents., so assuming 3 dependents( like me ), cost of extending H1 every year is $2700.00 at a minimum.
GOD Knows how many years we have to keep extending H1. I can understand for peole with families the average savngs per year would be around 4-5k depending on the area you live in. and paying for h1 out of that will suck your blood out. NO DOUBT.

For Guys on I-140 ( approved ) it is a little better, since they get H1 extensions in 3 years increments.

Guys in EADs are the least impacted.. with this

So, decide ..... Do you want to spend 14-15 in the next 5 years - just to be on H1 ?

Do your own math on savings .vs. a clear expense of 3k per year of H1.

or try Canadian immigration or Back to India

Thanks

LC pending with PD 08/2004
LC pending with PD 12/2004
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naudurivsm
Isn't the employer filing for second or subsequent request for extension, exempt from additional $1500 or $700?

So I think it will just be the base filing fee of $190.00 (without a lawyer) for the employee.
 
My take on GC is funny. I want GC so I can visit India whenever I wish; with H1 as I'm already beyond 6 Years every visit I do, have to go for extension stamping which many of you guys/gals know how PITA it is. I'm really sorry to hear that many companies they are not treating H1 people very well, but company where I work they treat and pay me very well comparing to my other counterparts. Wishing every one looking forward GC will get soon good treatment and pay even in H1. I don't want to say hope, because hope is not a plan. Surely, GC will give free hand for many H1 people to decide what they want to be and how they want to do it.

H1-B --> for some people "No Moon day", for some "Moon Light", for some "Sunny with Cloudy", for few "Sunny"
GC Process --> for many "ICE/Snow storm/Hurricane", for few "Sunny with Cloudy"
After GC --> for many "SUNNY", for few "Sunny with Cloudy"

If anything wrong, forum members please don't toss me. :D

Just an analogy for comfort.
 
"naudurivsm
Isn't the employer filing for second or subsequent request for extension, exempt from additional $1500 or $700?

So I think it will just be the base filing fee of $190.00 (without a lawyer) for the employee"


No, I Do not think so,

The fee structure is as follows
$1500 + $500.00 Antifraud + $190 - for comanies with > 25 employees 0r
$750 + $500.00 Antifraud + $190 - for comanies with <= to 25 employees
I have never heard a chnage in this whether it is first time filing or extensions;

I will again check with the attorneys' anyway as you raised a point.

Can some one else confirm on this ?

further to add to my earlier point, most of the employers are not reaady to pay for extension of H1 since the fees is too high.
So this is a burden on the empployee anyways.

Thanks
 
hereismygc, you got it right, i think 70% of us on H1 do not suffer, only the few unfortunate ones are still stuck with blood sucking desi companies...
 
Neha here is my response

1) Did you recently hear 'Sonia G' alias xyz maino has been nominated for Nobel Peace award.
What difference that makes to you as a IT or any other professional?.

2) We are being ruled by the likes and Laloo Yadav himself.
And in US you are being ruled by "W" Bush and his right wing team. Only difference I see between Laloo and Bush is that Bush wears a suit. Both have no brains and don't know how to speak English.

3) You think India is still progressing, I'm telling you you'll see how it will come to a jam in a year or 2.
Who told you that?. Do you think all the FIIs would invest billions in India if they thought that this was happening?.Just go and see how much FIIs are pumping money in India.Are they dumb?.

4) I read in an article last government was building about 7000 KM of highways in a year, the new pace is about 174 KM / Year
Never fully believe articles. Some people will always whine no matter what. Things won't change over night. But they are changing and are changing fast.

5) You think Super sardar is the PM or even xyz maino is the PM, The actuall rulers are red underwears, so you may know all the disinvestment have been either cancelled or postponed.
True that there are morons like Surjeet, Yerchuri, Bhattacharya, Mukherjee and all the Mallus and Bengali red boxers holding govt hostage. The fact is they can't so a crap. The disinvestment is going on uninteruptted. Infact the communists after having tasted power do not want to lose it. They only protest now, but keep supporting Sardar who continues with his liberalization program.


6) Did you hear any development oriented Bill/government move since new government took over
And did you hear any in the US?. Fact is Govts don't bring development. Its the people. In fact Govts do the opposite. Its good that present govt is not doing anything. Thats what we want as people can work hard and bring development. Thats the whole point of liberalization, no govt control.


7) Did you hear anything good from the so called great FM
Same as above.

8) You might have allready heard about the infrastructure chaos in Bangalore/Mumbai
That actually is a sign that development is happening fast. Faster than Infrastructure can handle. In fact, now Infrastructure will develop even better. Neccessity is mother of all inventions. This need will bring in new and better infrastructure. I am for one already investing in Reliance Infrastructure mutual fund keeping this very point in mind.

9) As Chandrababu is out you'll see Hyderabad crumbling very soon.
ChandraBabu Naidu is out so what?. Infosys, Wipro is still there. These corporations can buy new CM and govt.


10) Delhi never had I.T. jobs so there nothing in Delhi for me
If you are willing to stay in US, why not be willing to stay in Bangalore, Chennai, Pune. These are far better than Delhi. Assuming you are a woman(Neha) you should know better.

11) I'm willing to live in Antartica than to live in Chennai.
Really, you think antartica is better than Chennai?.

Can you give me any other choice. I don't want to go to Canada either. Jahan jaane kaa mun nahee hai wahan ka immigration apply karne kaa kya point hai.
I am not sure what can I say. If you are not married find someone to marry in US who is on GC or a citizen like me :)
Seriously why are you so desparate?
 
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