Special Registration for the Paroled

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cligsman

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I do NOT have any kind of visa. I also do not have a Green Card. But have Advanced Parol and EAD.


On page 3 of the following document:

http://www.ins.gov/graphics/lawenfor/specialreg/CALL_IN_ALL.pdf

it says that if you were paroled and NOT inspected and admitted as a non immigrant before Sep 30, 2002, then the Registration is waived.

I am VERY happy for that but here I just want to confirm that I don't need to do the Special Registration.

Notice I am NOT a national of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Sudan, and Syria. But I am national of other call-in countries.

The last time I entered the USA was in 2001 and I used my Advanced Parol papers. After my last entry, my I-94 has the following stuff written on it:

Paroled until: Indefinite
I-512
For 9/5/01
Officer: 28/5

So am I waived? Have I entered the US as a non-immigrant? How do you find out?

Thanks
 
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Hi,

The special registration is meant for weeding out illegal residents and it is not to punish every citizen of the listed countries. Since you are saying that you belong to one of these countries and also you are not a GC holder or a citizen of USA, I feel that you should go and register. There is nothing to fear. A friend of mine who is a citizen of Pakistan and who is on H1B went and did the registration. He was not put to any kind of trouble. All that INS did was check his papers, take his finger prints and a picture of him. He finished his job in less than 30 mts. and came out.

Registration of non-immigrants is a good move by the US govt. and it ensures the safety of everyone who wants to live in this country peacefully and legally.

Don't you agree with me that living here and enjoying all the comforts and freedom this great nation offers and supporting and symphathising with terrorists is wrong ? I am sure you do !!!

Finally why are you so ashamed of mentioning the name of your country ? Unless you are not so proud of it !!!

Good Luck !

Regards,
 
Hi,

Why are you getting so defensive. I never said people are sympathizing. I only said it is wrong to do that. It is good for them if they don't.

Secondly, I welcome extending SR to India too. If they do, I will be in the 'Q' on the first day and first hour.

Hell with the religious terrorism, terrorists and their sympathizers. Their days are numbered.

I whole heartedly support this move by the Attorney General.

Regards,
 
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Sachdev

I don’t want to offense anyone,

Just couple of points what I noticed from sachdev statement


Cligman question was

Whether he needs to registrar under his specific situation or not what he mentioned clearly with a reference of INS Release? Question was very simple. Instead answering his question you have tried to explore your belief and comment on some of Cligman's issues what he might not meant. If I analysis your response literally, I find it very offensive for several reasons:

Number 1)

Sachdev, you started with statement:

"The special registration is meant for weeding out illegal residents and it is not to punish every citizen of the listed countries. Since you are saying that you belong to one of these countries and also you are not a GC holder or a citizen of USA, I feel that you should go and register. There is nothing to fear. A friend of mine who is a citizen of Pakistan and who is on H1B went and did the registration. He was not put to any kind of trouble. All that INS did was check his papers, take his fingerprints and a picture of him. He finished his job in less than 30 mts. and came out. "

----- My question is to you:

Did Cligaman even mentioned or implied that He was afraid about this registration? Did he ever state or implied that this is not good for anyone. Did he even implied or state that he is not happy about this registration. Offcourse he mentioned that he was happy thinking that he does not have to registrar. He can be happy for several reasons:

" He might live far away from the INS office and has to take 1 day off, or he is happened to be waived according to rule what makes him feel happy."

Sachdev let me give you an example: Do you know why INS issues RFE? They want to make sure you have all necessary paper; they want to make sure that you did get laid off while your application is pending. Is not this a good approach? I say it is very wise to issue RFE when there is doubt so that any person dont get approved when he is not supposed to. At the same time, he could get approved if INS does not issue a RFE. Consider I-485 adjustment of status pending and the guy got laid off after some months. Now, lets say, you are not on the same boat, you have job and everyhting. You are completely ok. Still wont you be bothered if you have to reply for a RFE, or wont you are happy if you get approved without any RFE. Why you will be happy? Because it saved your time, which might not happen if you get RFE. Now consider your happiness with that guy happiness.
Now do you think that he is happy because he does not support registration?



Number 2)

You mentioned, " Since you are saying that you belong to one of these countries and also you are not a GC holder or a citizen of USA, I feel that you should go and register."

You provide some wrong information here. That is not the only criteria for registration. Go and read all release from INS about special registration. Also, you should read that link he provided before you make comments. You don’t know who should registrar who should not because you did not read those release. You did not read because you don’t have to go thru this now. Right??

FYI: Parole dont need to registrar. Also there are more criteria like if you enter this country after certain date, you don’t need to registrar either. Therefore, this is not true/right that if your not immigrant and from those countries you should registrar. That statement prove your illiteracy on this specific question you answered.

Know the right rules and act on that rule is smart. It is not good idea to go INS and spent your day and come back without registering because you are returned back by INS as the way you are not entitled to do so.

FYI: Sachdev, you might not know INS is not registering all the immigrants from those countries. They have check work sheet what you have go thru and there will be question you need to answered what will determine whether you need to registrar or not? Therefore, if you are parole and enter this country after certain date, INS checklist will say "Stop here, you don’t need to registrar"

Therefore, what Cligman was doing to be educated from you guys whether he needs to or not? But you ended up with some of your biased comments rather answering his question accurately.


Number 3: You stated

"Registration of non-immigrants is a good move by the US govt. and it ensures the safety of everyone who wants to live in this country peacefully and legally."


I agree with that and like the idea of special registration so that no people get further chance to create another disaster.

Cligman did not disagree with that too. So why that statement came in play with respect to that question?

Number 4)

You stated:

"Don't you agree with me that living here and enjoying all the comforts and freedom this great nation offers and supporting and sympathizing with terrorists is wrong? I am sure you do!!! "

I agree with you. We should not show our back o this country who is putting the food in my plate.

Sachdev, Did cligman stated or implied that he does not love this country? Did he refuse the comforts and freedom what he is enjoying?? Finally did he sympathize those the evil doings?

Why you put Cligman on that agreement?

Number 5)
You stated

"Finally why are you so ashamed of mentioning the name of your country ? Unless you are not so proud of it !!! "

This is human right not to disclose my personal information to everybody. That does not mean that he is ashamed of mentioning his country name. That does not explain that he is not proud of his country. He mentioned that he is from any of A set of countries but not from B set of countries where A and B both are included for registration to explain his case better. Because the set of countries where he is not from might have different rules.

Was not this enough? Why he needs to state his country name explicitly.



Sachdev, Friends, I don’t want to be picky with you. I am sorry if I hurt you by my statement. But let me tell you something:

Good rules are only good when those are implemented correctly. You read different people experiences in different INS center. You will get some info. I bet you did not read that.

Also let me ask you a question finally:
My several friends (Muslim country national) are in need of VISA. Lets say H1B visa who wants to travel. Lot of them ended up loosing their jobs because they got stuck back home for indefinite amount of time (3/4/5 months). They were approved but were not given visa. They took time to check the Background. Now, would you be happy if it happens to you, and you ended up loosing your job. On the other hand, the rules pretty good. They off course should check the background to make sure this guy is not a threat.


My friend’s dad passed away but he could not travel coz he was scared he would get stuck. He was the only son of that Dad. Same guys mother sick now seriously. He left US thinking that he might not be able to come back. He is waiting for 3 months now for the VISA from back home. His manager told him that she could keep her job another 1 week. My friend started looking for job back home.


I am sorry that I stated some redundant information below which should not be put. I could not help.

I also Utter.

Hell with the religious terrorism and terrorists and their sympathizers.
 
Cligman

Cligman,

I read thru the document and did not the specific info. I know that payrole dont have register but I am confused whether this is for all payrole or payrole who entered after certain date.

I would say call your attroney and ask him. If you dont have, you could call INS national service center and specify your case refering that document statement what you noticed, they will be able to help you.

Also, please post your question in Special Registration topic, there are lot of educated folks about registration. They will answer your questions clearly.

Please spend some time and post your question on Special Registration thread.

Good Luck
 
Called National Cust Service and VSC today

Sahin,

I am so grateful to your explanations....

You are very close to what I wanted to say...

I do not have to explain my personal problems or religion. I just wanted to know the answer. But now I feel it will be helpful if I mention what everyone seems want to know before answering my questions above.

Indeed, I was laid off and prefer not to mention this in the special registration. I have other issues and there is no need to explain everything. It is just important for me to know if the registration is required or not.

I am NOT against the special registration. I am from a Muslim country.

I called the INS national customer service and I went thru a series of questions and the result was I am supposed to register. They said that ONLY Humanitarian Parolees are eligible.

However, I also called the Vermont Service Center (VSC) today (VSC know all the details about my case since it is pending there). But VSC told me I do NOT need to register. VSC said that since the document (in the link above) does NOT specify the category of the Parole, then ALL kinds of patrols are acceptable..

And please guys try to understand I am NOT blaming INS. I am just saying I received different answers from INS. The iio were very nice but the instructions they are following to give me the answers are different from center to center.

I will post this question in the Special Registration thread. Thank you Sabin. This info is very helpful.

Good luck to you too.
 
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Hi Cligman,

I was only trying to help you by asking you to go and register because the consequences of non-registration are very severe. If you do not go and register, at a later date INS can cause you problems with this pretext. I took a very safe and conservative view of the case and made that suggestion. By registering you have nothing to loose but everything to gain.

In fact this friend of mine who I mentioned above, who is from Pakistan did his registration on my insistance. He is a legal resident and a gentleman. He has all his papers strait. Still he was in panick when he heard about the SR. I encouraged him to do it and he is very happy after that.

About mentioning the name of your country, I agree, it is your choice but I feel each one of us should be proud of our motherland and should not hesitate to mention its name.

I know that parolees are exempt from registration but I still suggest that you should show up at the local INS office and establish a record which will go a long way to help you.

I do not have time or inclination to answer others in this post though I have solid material to counter the arguments. I ignore it.

I once again say to hell with the religious terrorism and terrorists and their sympathizers. They have achieved nothing by doing this but only ruined reputatuion of a large number of peace loving muslims across the globe. They are not going to achieve anything by terrorism except facing an extinction.

Good Luck to you cligman hope you understand what I am trying to say. I wish I had a one to one talk with you.

Regards,
 
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FYI

INS wont register you if you dont qualify for registration. Therefore, there is no reason to push anyone to regiter all non immigrants regardless their specific situation. If you qualify or not sure about this, then you must go INS, cleat you doubt and register if they want to.


I hope you know the people who registered has to do followings

1) Report INS each time you leave the country on the same day at the POE. Therefore, GO to airport at least ample amount of time of ahead so that you can still catch your Plane whereas the INS office is in another terminal from the terminal you have to live.

2) You have to leave from designated airport from US. You can not leave from all airports.

Those are all good, but a little pain and is understood by those people only who is going thru that.
 
Hi cligman,

This might give you some comfort. This is from murthy.com.

"Registration and Parole : Update

There has been clarification on the issue of whether an individual who last
entered on advance parole is subject to special registration. On January 24, 2003, INS General Counsel "Bo" Cooper confirmed, once again, that individuals who last entered on advance parole are not required to register.

We had reported on this matter in our January 24, 2003 MURTHYBULLETIN article,"Registration Not Applicable to Parolees"
As explained in that article, the wording of the law, as well as the guidance issued by INS, clearly states that individuals with advance parole do not have to register. However, notwithstanding this, some of the local INS offices were
not recognizing this exception. The local offices should now take note of the exception, clearly acknowledged by the INS General Counsel."

Regards,
 
Here you go

Yes, Payrole dont need to register no matter when they entered as payrole.

Todays Murthy Bulletin's cleared it once again. So, there is no reason to show up for registration when you entered this country using your AP.
 
My last 2 cents:

I never support this special registration. It is not going not serve the very purpose - tracking down the terrorist. It's self-contradictory. And, it's so self-contradictory, INS itself demonstrated it very nice way - when they handcuffed some innocent people and kept them sub-standard condition
(even INS officers on duty did not understand upper level directives very well and that why they mistreated those people. Did INS officers thought that they are terrorists?)

Will SR (special registration) weed out some illegal/overstayed
non-immigrants? Probably. Then why these finger-print hoopla to weed out some illegal non-immigrants? Just call them and deport them out. Then why only males?
Will SR track terrorists? Certainly not. They will never show up at INS office. Who said females cannot be terrorists? Doesn't INS know that in Palenstine females are enrolled into suicide-squad too? Doesn't INS know that one of Indian ex-prime-minister was killed by female LTTE member?
(please, don't misinterpret me. I am not saying all the females should be regsitered too. but I am just trying to point out INS'es
ignorance).

Earlier INS didn't have system to track non-immigrants depurtures. We used to handover I-94 to airlines agent. They used to handover those I-94 to INS office. And, INS office used to throw them into trash.
What INS did earlier (not having proper system to track non immigrants), THAT WAS WRONG.
What INS is trying to undo that shortcoming - that's SR. THAT IS WRONG TOO.
Two wrongs certainly does not make right.

Think about a poor developing country like India where immigration officer checks while departing.

I think instead of "innovative" SR process, INS should try to learn from other countries immigration system - like Britain, Germany, Israel. It's very simple arrogance (which is very apparent from the foreign policy) - that's why they don't want to learn from other
countries. Yes, US handles more visitors than those countries. But US has more resources too. It's very unfair to trouble all the
visitors just to cover up their (INS) incompetency.

Bottomline, it's an just another hassle for visitors - with no purpose.
 
I agree somewhat

1) Only those people will go for SR who are sure that they wont have any problem doing that

2) Those people will never go who has overstayed or illegal.

Therefore, Whats the bottomoline?? This is not the way to eliminate the illegals. They have to enforce it by calling them or searching them. This can ve done without registration.

Very Easy.

They have the record how many visas have been issued. Search on the I94 number or A# as appropriate. Looks for their status since they come. INS should have record for that coz each time you change statis inside US, you have to go thru them.

Therefore, they can easiliy find who are illegal or who are not without SR.

The bottomline is this will not advance when certain countries are done. I should say muslims countries are done. Take my word and watch.....

There is rumour all country will be inlcuded gradually, this is not gonna happen.. beleive me.


However, I wont blame this registration if it is played fair. I hope lot of my friends in this forums dont know what happened in several center when people went to co operate.
 
SP exceptions are becoming clearer

Sachdev, Sahin,

Yes, thanks. I know NOW for sure it is NOT required for the paroled.

Local INS offices is indeed confused, but since INS is huge, a considerable time is needed for these exceptions to propogate to all offices.

Yes, it is indeed better to take a conservative approach if not sure. Now I am sure and thanks for you guys for confirming.

I am in support with the SP idea for males. The implementation should go smoothly most importantly.

Thanks again
cligman:)
 
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Cligman,

I'm on the same boat like you do; Paroled, EAD card and I also have 485 pending

I have checked with two well known Immigration lawyers and both confirmed that we do not have to register. One of the lawyers also confirmed that he had a client with advance Parole went to register at the NYC INS center and INS didn't register him. Other INS centers may interpret this exception differently. Just out of curious, I asked those lawyers why advanced parolees were exempt? I didn't find any satisfactory answer though.

Does anyone know why? hope this helps. thanks guys..
 
May be payrolee show a token what explains that he is so close to be a permanent resdient.

But the frustrating thing not All the INS center knows what the right answer. Diffrent people has diffrent answer for the same question.

But the document at INS website clearly mentioned that If you are payrolee and entered before your registration date begins last time , you dont need to register,
 
I think it's because parolees are already checked

Rangdhonu,

The reason why is because parolees are already checked when they've entered the US on AP.

I remember when I entered on AP, I waited for 1 hour (or 45 minutes) at the borders while INS checked my company, background, and other things I am not sure what. But I am sure when you enter on AP, there is a more extensive check upon entry than visa holders. Combined with the fact that I-485 applicants do FP, there is no reason to register and provide redundant info.

Thank you for confirming.
 
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