I am sure most of us out here must have noticed what shusterman has to say today.. I kind of did not like the views shusterman shared some time ago just for the fact that they were negetive from my perspective... Kinda selfish attitude.. But today I was happy to see some positive notes on his website.
some positive outlook from Shusterman....
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gravitation
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All that is very good and heartening as well. But nothing can't be done till the House joins the bandwagon too. And I don't see a single ray of hope how that will happen.
Quote from CNN.com:
A top House Republican said Tuesday that the Senate would be making a "very big mistake" if it adopts a bill that sets up a process for illegal immigrants to gain legal status.
"You're just inviting more people to come," said House Majority Leader John Boehner of Ohio. "I don't think it would be supported at all by the American people."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/25/bush.immigration/index.html?section=cnn_latest
Quote from CNN.com:
A top House Republican said Tuesday that the Senate would be making a "very big mistake" if it adopts a bill that sets up a process for illegal immigrants to gain legal status.
"You're just inviting more people to come," said House Majority Leader John Boehner of Ohio. "I don't think it would be supported at all by the American people."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/25/bush.immigration/index.html?section=cnn_latest
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It seems these attorneys are out of touch with the sentiment of opposers of the guest-worker/amnesty. It has been all over the news and noted by Lou Dobbs (CNN) that the President had the meeting only with the supporters of such guest-worker/amnesty program. Not sure whether this will help gain support from the senators who oppose such guest-worker/amnesty.
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Senate is fine. There is enough support in Senate. The real hurdle is House of Representatives.
Senate and House are very different kind of animals and designed that way. Senators seek re-election once every six years as opposed to two years for reps. Also there are only 100 senators compared to 450 Reps. Senators can afford to take intellectual point of view. Reps. have keep be in tune with what common people are thinking and champion their causes as they have to seek re-election every two years. Also, Reps. represent much fewer number of constituents and are therefore relatively more accessible to 'm and therefore closer.
So effectively the Senate tends to think long-term and intellectually. And house makes sure that common people wishes are taken into account.
This effect is SO visible in the IRB. Like it or not, unless there is a change of heart in House Representatives, abandon all hopes. Senators and President can do all the song and dance they want, it'll come to nothing unless House concedes.
Senate and House are very different kind of animals and designed that way. Senators seek re-election once every six years as opposed to two years for reps. Also there are only 100 senators compared to 450 Reps. Senators can afford to take intellectual point of view. Reps. have keep be in tune with what common people are thinking and champion their causes as they have to seek re-election every two years. Also, Reps. represent much fewer number of constituents and are therefore relatively more accessible to 'm and therefore closer.
So effectively the Senate tends to think long-term and intellectually. And house makes sure that common people wishes are taken into account.
This effect is SO visible in the IRB. Like it or not, unless there is a change of heart in House Representatives, abandon all hopes. Senators and President can do all the song and dance they want, it'll come to nothing unless House concedes.
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marlon2006
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The majority of the Seante is "fine", but if the two key senators Kyl and Cornyn are not allowed to vote for amendments or are not included, the politicial repercussion will be strong.
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Timeline and Administration plan
Permit me to speculate a little.
The senate will pass Comprehensive immigration reform in May before memorial day barring some unforeseen events. Most senators are agreed on the Hagel/Martinez compromise and the political gamesmanship is all about angling for power/say in the final bill when it all goes to conference. A few ammendments will be allowed and voted on. The Dems. are attempting to keep some leverage in this process fully taking advantage of the divisions between pro-business republicans and social conservative republicans.
Clearly there will be quite a bit of stalemate in the Senate/House conference, The Democrats are very concerned about being shut out of this process and will politic all the way to make sure their view is heard. The Republican divisions make it likely they will have a say.
Eventually AFTER the fall elections the compromise will hit the presidets desk and he will sign it. Compromise before elections would be difficult in my view.
Permit me to speculate a little.
The senate will pass Comprehensive immigration reform in May before memorial day barring some unforeseen events. Most senators are agreed on the Hagel/Martinez compromise and the political gamesmanship is all about angling for power/say in the final bill when it all goes to conference. A few ammendments will be allowed and voted on. The Dems. are attempting to keep some leverage in this process fully taking advantage of the divisions between pro-business republicans and social conservative republicans.
Clearly there will be quite a bit of stalemate in the Senate/House conference, The Democrats are very concerned about being shut out of this process and will politic all the way to make sure their view is heard. The Republican divisions make it likely they will have a say.
Eventually AFTER the fall elections the compromise will hit the presidets desk and he will sign it. Compromise before elections would be difficult in my view.
BoyGirl said:Hi Posmd, what a positive thinking. I like to see this level of optimism. Please keep posting.
Cheers,
BoyGirl
"I am intelligent, I am from India. I am an engineer... but I am different."
So far so good with the speculation................................Lets see.
It will be very tough with the house, and since Pres. Bush does not have the leverage he once did, change is unlikely before the elections in my view.