shocking compramize on CIR?

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Please check this one out...

05/17/2007: Shocking Compromise Poised to be Announced Before the Senate Floor's Rescheduled CIR Debate on Monday, 05/21/2007

The following report of the AILA requires the immediate action by the immigration stateholders and supporters, particularly legal immigration community!
"It appears that Senate Democrats, Republicans and the White House are poised to announce that their backroom negotiations have produced a "grand bargain." The deal, as described, raises at least four major concerns. As a trade-off for a strong legalization program (including AgJOBS and the DREAM Act) and significant reductions in the current family backlogs, the negotiators propose to:
(1) Eliminate four of the current family preference categories (1, 2B, 3, and 4);
(2) Overhaul our current employment-based immigration system and replace it with a "merit-based" point system;
(3) Maintain annual green card numbers at their current levels guaranteeing continued systemic dysfunction from burgeoning backlogs; and
(4) Preclude a meaningful path to permanent residence for new temporary workers.
This radical shift from an immigration system grounded in familial and employment relationships to one disconnected from direct ties to the U.S. amounts to large-scale social experimentation. Combined with the creation of a large, fluctuating pool of "guest workers" who cannot lay down roots in the U.S., this point system raises the specter of a new generation of immigrants lacking the infrastructure and opportunity to effectively assimilate into this country. A practical solution for the undocumented population is an enormously important step in the right direction. But the cost of fixing our current problems cannot be the creation of bigger problems in the future."
Please contact your Senators now and urge them to oppose any deal that:
Eviscerates family-based immigration;
Includes a radical new, untested "merit" system;
Fails to expand the pool of green cards critical to high-skilled and low-skilled industries throughout our economy; and
Prevents temporary workers from earning and pursuing permanent residence.
This webside all along has been advocating and supporting a balanced approach to the comprehensive immigration reform legislation and national policy. This so-called Grand Bargain has tipped the scale completely 180% around in that it focuses on the illegal immigration reform at the sacrifice of legal immigration system including both family-based and employment-based immigration. What this compromise is attempting to do is to accept flood of temporary or illegal immigrants (millions) and narrow the door for future legal immigrants (both family-based and employment-based).
This is the time for the immigrant community to stand up, unite, and fight against such crippled immigration reform. Please start contacting Senators, Congress people, employers, and other groups to publicize the upcoming twisted backdoor compromise. Please read yesterday's posting on Senator Durbin's statement on the floor. It is dispicable that the CIR which they themselves passed last year is opposed by the same people who participated and voted for the bill!


http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html
 
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How could point based Merisystem be bad. UK, Canada and australia uses this. THough they should increase number of greencards from current level.

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(2) Overhaul our current employment-based immigration system and replace it with a "merit-based" point system;
(3) Maintain annual green card numbers at their current levels guaranteeing continued systemic dysfunction from burgeoning backlogs; and


http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html
 
To anybody who is against a compromise on immigration (even if it is not in my favor) my reply is f...o.. .

Please check this one out...

05/17/2007: Shocking Compromise Poised to be Announced Before the Senate Floor's Rescheduled CIR Debate on Monday, 05/21/2007

The following report of the AILA requires the immediate action by the immigration stateholders and supporters, particularly legal immigration community!
"It appears that Senate Democrats, Republicans and the White House are poised to announce that their backroom negotiations have produced a "grand bargain." The deal, as described, raises at least four major concerns. As a trade-off for a strong legalization program (including AgJOBS and the DREAM Act) and significant reductions in the current family backlogs, the negotiators propose to:
(1) Eliminate four of the current family preference categories (1, 2B, 3, and 4);
(2) Overhaul our current employment-based immigration system and replace it with a "merit-based" point system;
(3) Maintain annual green card numbers at their current levels guaranteeing continued systemic dysfunction from burgeoning backlogs; and
(4) Preclude a meaningful path to permanent residence for new temporary workers.
This radical shift from an immigration system grounded in familial and employment relationships to one disconnected from direct ties to the U.S. amounts to large-scale social experimentation. Combined with the creation of a large, fluctuating pool of "guest workers" who cannot lay down roots in the U.S., this point system raises the specter of a new generation of immigrants lacking the infrastructure and opportunity to effectively assimilate into this country. A practical solution for the undocumented population is an enormously important step in the right direction. But the cost of fixing our current problems cannot be the creation of bigger problems in the future."
Please contact your Senators now and urge them to oppose any deal that:
Eviscerates family-based immigration;
Includes a radical new, untested "merit" system;
Fails to expand the pool of green cards critical to high-skilled and low-skilled industries throughout our economy; and
Prevents temporary workers from earning and pursuing permanent residence.
This webside all along has been advocating and supporting a balanced approach to the comprehensive immigration reform legislation and national policy. This so-called Grand Bargain has tipped the scale completely 180% around in that it focuses on the illegal immigration reform at the sacrifice of legal immigration system including both family-based and employment-based immigration. What this compromise is attempting to do is to accept flood of temporary or illegal immigrants (millions) and narrow the door for future legal immigrants (both family-based and employment-based).
This is the time for the immigrant community to stand up, unite, and fight against such crippled immigration reform. Please start contacting Senators, Congress people, employers, and other groups to publicize the upcoming twisted backdoor compromise. Please read yesterday's posting on Senator Durbin's statement on the floor. It is dispicable that the CIR which they themselves passed last year is opposed by the same people who participated and voted for the bill!


http://www.immigration-law.com/Canada.html
 
A well-designed points system is the only escape from a system that has ever-increasing backlogs. When demand is greater than the supply of green cards for the year, take the people with the most points and reject the rest ... don't add them to a perpetually growing backlog.

Still, a points system can be good or bad. Canada's own is bad because it does not give many points for having a job offer. So lots of educated people arrive there without a job and remain unemployed or underemployed for a long time.

I think they will keep overall green card numbers the same, but the elimination of certain FB categories like adult siblings should provide more visas for skilled workers who don't have family members here. I'm definitely interested to see the details.
 
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Why is this shocking?

I think this is great. It's high time they gave weightage to educational skills over family connections. Nobody really gains from family immigration. People who chose to immigrate through family connections usually aren't that highly skilled.
 
Shocking becoz..

I think this is great. It's high time they gave weightage to educational skills over family connections. Nobody really gains from family immigration. People who chose to immigrate through family connections usually aren't that highly skilled.

I was not shocked by point system or anything, I was shocked becoz they are not increasing GC numbers. I firmly believe that without that there would be no relief...
 
Nothing is indicated about EB Green card backlog. Implementation of point system will take 3 to 4 years. What about current backlog??????


I think this is great. It's high time they gave weightage to educational skills over family connections. Nobody really gains from family immigration. People who chose to immigrate through family connections usually aren't that highly skilled.
 
I read somewhere that if they will eliminate family based categories - they will use family GC quota to employment based categories, but I'm not sure if this is the case with this compromized bill
 
so it this deal works then will they stop the family based ppl?? theyll b like hahahahaha 2 bad u waited like over 10 yrs , but u still not gonna get a green card, so c u in hell!??????
or will they have a cutoff date of some sort???????
 
so it this deal works then will they stop the family based ppl?? theyll b like hahahahaha 2 bad u waited like over 10 yrs , but u still not gonna get a green card, so c u in hell!??????
or will they have a cutoff date of some sort???????
According to the summary at AILA, FB people who applied before May 2005 will be allowed to continue under the old process. And the categories for spouse and children under 21 will not be eliminated.

Immigration of adult children and siblings is a path to disaster and overwhelming backlogs. Suppose one person who becomes a US citizen has 4 foreign adult children and each of them is married with 3 young children. That's four familes of 5 ... so the one person could bring in 20 people just like that!

Then let's say all those 20 become citizens, and the spouses of the 4 children of the original citizen have 3 siblings each, and those siblings are also married with 3 children each. That's another 60 people. So in just two cycles of immigration 80 people are brought into the system as a result of that one original person!
 
Nothing is indicated about EB Green card backlog. Implementation of point system will take 3 to 4 years. What about current backlog??????

Family based will receive 1.1 million cards up from 980,000 to clear the blacklog in 8 years. Only those before March 2005 will be processed. Then th ewhole system will be a points basis. There will be points system immediately for high skilled workers and professionals so I guess they would'nt want to increase employment based quota. I maybe wrong.
 
where is the elaboration on the points based system?

although everybody is clamoring for the points based system, be careful what you wish for. what if the economy needs only people for low-skill service sector?
It could get ugly. At the same time fdbl.com claims that h1b could increase to 115K.

The compromise has nothing for legal immigrants (just one line item in the summary on immigration-law.com). I do not know if there is anything that legal immigrant community can do about it. How can employers favor such a system?

Family based will receive 1.1 million cards up from 980,000 to clear the blacklog in 8 years. Only those before March 2005 will be processed. Then th ewhole system will be a points basis. There will be points system immediately for high skilled workers and professionals so I guess they would'nt want to increase employment based quota. I maybe wrong.
 
Implementation of PERM took 3 years. Do you think point system will implement next month? EB GC will remain at current level for Green card quota (140K). What will happen to thousands of people trapped into backlog? Shall they have to wait for point system to be implemented (may be after 8 years).

This is the most depressing moment for me since I came to USA !!

"USA is no more heaven for best and brightest talent. Now it is heaven for illegal immigrants"

12 millions illegal will get immediate legalization and after 13 years, they are assured citizenship. What we will have? Bingooooooo or carrot of point system !!!




Family based will receive 1.1 million cards up from 980,000 to clear the blacklog in 8 years. Only those before March 2005 will be processed. Then th ewhole system will be a points basis. There will be points system immediately for high skilled workers and professionals so I guess they would'nt want to increase employment based quota. I maybe wrong.
 
I think looking at the response to the bill ..it seems that this wont pass ..it has a long difficult road. the hope for EB3 india is that they move dates as much as possible ..not sure which is the best option yearly EAD renewal or 3 year H1b extension or to go back :)
 
although everybody is clamoring for the points based system, be careful what you wish for. what if the economy needs only people for low-skill service sector?
Then let them do that. If the new system makes them decide they don't want me, that's fine with me as long as they do it promptly. And new applicants will see what their chances are up front and can decide to stay out of it from day 1 if they don't have enough points.
 
12 millions illegal will get immediate legalization and after 13 years, they are assured citizenship. What we will have? Bingooooooo or carrot of point system !!!
They are not assured of citizenship or even a green card. To get a green card they will have to qualify with points just like anybody else. Unless the points criteria is very loose, only a small percentage of them will have enough points.

So it boils down to the details of what the points system will be based on ... it could be very bad or very good thing depending on what they decide.
 
Family Backlog Elimination note +ve or -ve??

Then let them do that. If the new system makes them decide they don't want me, that's fine with me as long as they do it promptly. And new applicants will see what their chances are up front and can decide to stay out of it from day 1 if they don't have enough points.

If they havent increased EB numbers, at least, they did not have anything specific in this to reduce this.;)

Plus there is a note for Family Backlog elimination.
I dont know whether this a +ve or -ve for us EB guys. :confused:

Would it take up numbers from EB or would they add more numbers to family (and maybe to EB)?:confused: :confused: :confused:


EB2
 
I do not see your point about promptness. Even canada takes 1-1.5 year to process your application even after you qualify.
Timeline would not be very different from what it is today. Any applicant starting today knows EB GCs have so much backlog that it can take them 5-6 years to get GC. If one has a job for 5-6 years, they get their GC.
The only difference will be that you will not be chained to a particular employer (which may be good or bad).
Then let them do that. If the new system makes them decide they don't want me, that's fine with me as long as they do it promptly. And new applicants will see what their chances are up front and can decide to stay out of it from day 1 if they don't have enough points.
 
I do not see your point about promptness. Even canada takes 1-1.5 year to process your application even after you qualify.
That's why I put lots of IFs into my statements.

As I said before, Canada's points system sucks. But they are not the only example of a points system.

If they are going to be prompt, it would have to work like New Zealand's system: When there is more demand than the quota allows, take the people with the most points until the quota is filled and then reject the rest. Case decided within 6-12 months. It is an automatically self-limiting system; when more people apply, you need more points to get selected, which deters the low-points people from even trying because most people are not going to waste lots of time and money applying when they don't have a realistic chance. So their system won't ever get bogged down with a bazillion applications.

However, if they don't have a quota then the system will eventually get bogged down with too many applicants. And if they do have a quota but they put the excess people into a queue instead of rejecting them, they will end up with the same sort of backlogs that exist now.

"Points system" does not mean it will be automatically good or bad. It all depends on the details of the design.
 
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