S. 1932 Take-aways…

VHD999

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I feel bad that the section 8001 failed to be part of the Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act (S. 1932).

I started to think hard on this. There are so many people affected by the retrogression watched this bill closely for last two months and finally watched it to fail to be included in the final bill.

It is true that in a political system like the one exists in U.S., every group has its own interests and those groups try hard to make sure that those interests are fulfilled.

Why the senate that opposed so vehemently on Byrd’s amendment that proposes to remove the immigration relief from the senate bill yielded to agree on the final bill that did not include the same immigration relief?

“Give me what I want and I will let you do what you want.“ That’s how it works in Washington. It is same as; I will let you do wrong if you let me to do.

The compromise that taken place between the senate and the house over the deficit reduction bill tells one thing. The senators and house representatives put their own interests first. They had an agenda. They just included immigration relief in the bill so that they can sell this to get what they wanted.

Can anybody name one senator who opposed the final bill that passed in the house today? We can understand this better by watching the debate that’s going on with the ANWR with respect to the defense-spending bill.

The lawmakers in the U.S. ignored a very powerful community without which, America would not have achieved the growth in many fields that it enjoys today. They sent a very wrong message to the potential immigrants who can take this country to the next level. But for now, that is not important and hardly matters to the current generation of immigrants.

Every one of us knows the truth. We just fail to admit it. The truth is, modern U.S. is not in favor of any kind of immigration. It is just trying to hide itself from being exposed to the intellectuals and talent and ignorantly welcoming illegal immigrants.

I curse myself for being part of the pathetic system. I hope, I can stop building hopes on bills like S. 1932 and on many more such misleading bills to come and focus on the better part of my life.

What do you learn from this?
 
We are on our own

VHD999 said:
I feel bad that the section 8001 failed to be part of the Deficit Reduction Omnibus Reconciliation Act (S. 1932).

I started to think hard on this. There are so many people affected by the retrogression watched this bill closely for last two months and finally watched it to fail to be included in the final bill.

It is true that in a political system like the one exists in U.S., every group has its own interests and those groups try hard to make sure that those interests are fulfilled.

Why the senate that opposed so vehemently on Byrd’s amendment that proposes to remove the immigration relief from the senate bill yielded to agree on the final bill that did not include the same immigration relief?

“Give me what I want and I will let you do what you want.“ That’s how it works in Washington. It is same as; I will let you do wrong if you let me to do.

The compromise that taken place between the senate and the house over the deficit reduction bill tells one thing. The senators and house representatives put their own interests first. They had an agenda. They just included immigration relief in the bill so that they can sell this to get what they wanted.

Can anybody name one senator who opposed the final bill that passed in the house today? We can understand this better by watching the debate that’s going on with the ANWR with respect to the defense-spending bill.

The lawmakers in the U.S. ignored a very powerful community without which, America would not have achieved the growth in many fields that it enjoys today. They sent a very wrong message to the potential immigrants who can take this country to the next level. But for now, that is not important and hardly matters to the current generation of immigrants.

Every one of us knows the truth. We just fail to admit it. The truth is, modern U.S. is not in favor of any kind of immigration. It is just trying to hide itself from being exposed to the intellectuals and talent and ignorantly welcoming illegal immigrants.

I curse myself for being part of the pathetic system. I hope, I can stop building hopes on bills like S. 1932 and on many more such misleading bills to come and focus on the better part of my life.

What do you learn from this?

VHD999,

I totally agree with what you have said. I came to realize these things a long time ago. I did not have much hope for the immigration packet of S. 1932 because it did not contain any benefits for lawmakers. No one gives a damn about legal immigrants in this country. We work hard, we pay taxes, we do not demand much, we can't vote, we are not eligible for any benefits.
Why would lawmakers let go of such a good cashcow? Its time to realize that we are on our own and NO ONE is watching out for our interests. Things are not going to get any better in the future and all of us need to seriously think of our futures. We need to ask ourselves some very tough questions. Is it worth it to be at the mercy of selfish lawmakers? Is it worth it to continue being exploited like this? How much of our life and our self respect are we willing to sacrifice for this damn GC? The answers to these questions will obviously be different for different people but thinking about such things is a good idea right about now.

Up unti 6 months ago I used to be very anxious about the GC and constantly worried about it. Now I am at a point where I don't care. I am making my plans with the assumption that I will not get the GC. I am ready to get the hell out of here next year. I am saving money, I am getting training and part time education. I will use the skills I have gained here and take them somewhere else where I will use them to further myself and my community.

regards,

saras76
 
We were this close to getting it passed but there will be more opportunities next year. I don't think this situation will remain the same in the medium term as retrogression will only get worse, especially for Indians and Chinese. Remember, a HUGE number of cases were filed during 2000-2005. According to the current quota, it will progressively satisfy less and less percentage of total pending cases and a time will come that several years worth of quota will satisfy only one year of case filings.

For example, say EB2+EB3 quota of India per year is 10k and 50k cases were filed in 2004. It will take 5 years just to clear 2004 cases. I don't think this situation can maintain status quo...something has to happen and it will happen when everyone (employees+employers) totally lose their cool. This is just untenable. A person from India filing a green card in EB2 or EB3 today has a better chance of winning a powerball lottery under the current circumstances than getting a GC. In fact, its better to become illegal as some form of amnesty is bound to be offered sooner than later.

So I conclude that even though we couldn't get what we wanted this time, something has to and will happen soon as it just can't continue like this. The numbers just don't add up.
 
I am not so optimistic ...

gb04 said:
We were this close to getting it passed but there will be more opportunities next year. I don't think this situation will remain the same in the medium term as retrogression will only get worse, especially for Indians and Chinese. Remember, a HUGE number of cases were filed during 2000-2005. According to the current quota, it will progressively satisfy less and less percentage of total pending cases and a time will come that several years worth of quota will satisfy only one year of case filings.

For example, say EB2+EB3 quota of India per year is 10k and 50k cases were filed in 2004. It will take 5 years just to clear 2004 cases. I don't think this situation can maintain status quo...something has to happen and it will happen when everyone (employees+employers) totally lose their cool. This is just untenable. A person from India filing a green card in EB2 or EB3 today has a better chance of winning a powerball lottery under the current circumstances than getting a GC. In fact, its better to become illegal as some form of amnesty is bound to be offered sooner than later.

So I conclude that even though we couldn't get what we wanted this time, something has to and will happen soon as it just can't continue like this. The numbers just don't add up.

gb04,

I agree that things will not remain EXACTLY as they are but in the near term (1,2 or 3 years) the situation is going to be grave for all EB2s and EB3s from India and China. My PD is 2001 and I don't foresee the PD date getting past 2001 in the next 2 years. I say this because of the 245i cases that were filed by thousands in April 2001.

I know that anything is possible because laws can change but we need to be a little realistic. We need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. Right now the odds are in favor of the worst. Maybe this will change next year or maybe it will get worse. We need to stay on top of this process.

regards,

saras76
 
hummm...

Come on gb..Understand the reality.

Please provide logic behind your theory…

Why do you think the employers loose their ‘cool’ if retrogression continues? How about those fortune 500 companies that supported the bill in the initial stages and literally disappeared once the bill passed in the senate.

And do you think we (the employees) did not loose the ‘cool’ when the dates moved back to 90s? What happened to all those numerous phone calls and faxes sent by the effected people?

Disturbing fact is that they do not even want to recapture unused visa numbers when there were many good reasons to do so.

Go and figure.


gb04 said:
We were this close to getting it passed but there will be more opportunities next year. I don't think this situation will remain the same in the medium term as retrogression will only get worse, especially for Indians and Chinese. Remember, a HUGE number of cases were filed during 2000-2005. According to the current quota, it will progressively satisfy less and less percentage of total pending cases and a time will come that several years worth of quota will satisfy only one year of case filings.

For example, say EB2+EB3 quota of India per year is 10k and 50k cases were filed in 2004. It will take 5 years just to clear 2004 cases. I don't think this situation can maintain status quo...something has to happen and it will happen when everyone (employees+employers) totally lose their cool. This is just untenable. A person from India filing a green card in EB2 or EB3 today has a better chance of winning a powerball lottery under the current circumstances than getting a GC. In fact, its better to become illegal as some form of amnesty is bound to be offered sooner than later.

So I conclude that even though we couldn't get what we wanted this time, something has to and will happen soon as it just can't continue like this. The numbers just don't add up.
 
S1932 was too good

Hi
To be honest with you all I was not expecting (but just hoping) it to be passed as it was too good. I had my bet on NO. The scenario, which you folks see, is too bleak. Things will surely change for good. Some extrapolation may not be correct. i.e. when you do copy big file in windows, you will see message like 48 minutes remaining .But next second you will see 7 minutes remaining then again 14 minutes but ultimately the file will be copied in less then 48 minutes .The point here I want to say that for god sake don't extrapolate .In current scenario you will come up with very negative results (48 minutes). It has come to grinding halt and trends shows us that when things go that bad , they change the law. Anti immigration lobby was always there but still H1b quota increased to 195K. Please look other way for sometime and you will be surprised with good news after few months. Flower will blossom in spring or in due time of that flower irrespective of too much fertilizer or water ( in stem cell world or Biotech it may not be true but I am talking about organic plants). :D :D :D
 
Well, obviously the immediate future doesn't look too bright nor am I saying otherwise. My point is that the way things are, it is unsustainable in the medium term (2-3 yrs) and things will have to change. Its very clear that this cannot continue without a lot of ppl going up in arms about it.

This particular bill was a tough one. First, it was not an immigration bill and there were lot of strings attached to it. The immigration section was under the guise of raising revenues and in the end, there were other ways to raise revenues. 2006 being an election year (especially the stakes are high for the House), it was difficult for the politicians to be seen as raising H1b and immigration quotas.

There is going to be a comprehensive immigration bill coming up next year (Kennedy-McCain, etc.) Its practically a no-brainer that something is going to come out of it and there is no reason to believe that it will not address this issue. There is bipartisan support to do something about fixing illegal immigration and promoting legal immigration. And even Bush is promoting that for a long time now. Just mark my words that there is no big conspiracy going on to screw us and generally the politicians are on the side of big companies which are on the immigrant's side. That is why the anti-immigration lobby generally doesn't get its way. This particular S. 1932 bill was a shortcut to get what the immigration lobby wanted before the mother-lode immigration bill arrived. Unfortunately, it failed but by a whisker...not because of some large scale conspiracy but because of the nature and timing of the bill.
 
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Hope you are right ...

gb04,

For all our sakes we hope you are right. But the sad part is that people like me have gotten screwed already. My application which was on the brink of approval will now have to hang in the balance for atleast a year or maybe two. Its hard to look at this in any positive way when one is in a situation like mine. What is worse is that the initial delay in my application was due to mistakes made by USCIS. Anyway, there is no point in complaining about this. What has to happen will happen .. we just have to make the most of it.

regards,

saras76
 
gb04.
Regarding this:-
"There is going to be a comprehensive immigration bill coming up next year (Kennedy-McCain, etc.) Its practically a no-brainer that something is going to come out of it and there is no reason to believe that it will not address this issue".

Wasn't the current S1932 part of the Kennedy-McCanin bill? if not and that bill is still to be presented there is still hope.

--Naveen Oshos


gb04 said:
Well, obviously the immediate future doesn't look too bright nor am I saying otherwise. My point is that the way things are, it is unsustainable in the medium term (2-3 yrs) and things will have to change. Its very clear that this cannot continue without a lot of ppl going up in arms about it.

This particular bill was a tough one. First, it was not an immigration bill and there were lot of strings attached to it. The immigration section was under the guise of raising revenues and in the end, there were other ways to raise revenues. 2006 being an election year (especially the stakes are high for the House), it was difficult for the politicians to be seen as raising H1b and immigration quotas.

There is going to be a comprehensive immigration bill coming up next year (Kennedy-McCain, etc.) Its practically a no-brainer that something is going to come out of it and there is no reason to believe that it will not address this issue. There is bipartisan support to do something about fixing illegal immigration and promoting legal immigration. And even Bush is promoting that for a long time now. Just mark my words that there is no big conspiracy going on to screw us and generally the politicians are on the side of big companies which are on the immigrant's side. That is why the anti-immigration lobby generally doesn't get its way. This particular S. 1932 bill was a shortcut to get what the immigration lobby wanted before the mother-lode immigration bill arrived. Unfortunately, it failed but by a whisker...not because of some large scale conspiracy but because of the nature and timing of the bill.
 
noshs said:
gb04.
Regarding this:-
"There is going to be a comprehensive immigration bill coming up next year (Kennedy-McCain, etc.) Its practically a no-brainer that something is going to come out of it and there is no reason to believe that it will not address this issue".

Wasn't the current S1932 part of the Kennedy-McCanin bill? if not and that bill is still to be presented there is still hope.

--Naveen Oshos

No, the one which failed was a different deficit reduction bill where some smart people tried to sneak in quota/fees increase section as a way to boost revenues and also solve retrogression in one master stroke. It was clever but didn't work. There are a lot of comprehensive immigration bills with the Judiciary committee and one of them is the Kennedy-McCain Act. This one is the most favorable to us and it even goes beyond S.1932 which just failed in the congress....namely, increasing the quota in general, not just recapturing lost numbers and not counting dependents towards the quota.

Of course, there will be compromises but something positive should definitely come out of it. This bill also introduces the guest worker program aimed at illegal immigrants which Bush has been touting. And this has broad bipartisan support.

People just forget that S.1932 was just an unexpected avenue to get immediate relief for immigrants but not the main immigration bill.

The kennedy-mccain bill is due sometime around the march timeframe but the way things have worked in congress lately and the sensitive and controversial nature of immigration, i don't mind even if it takes a bit longer, as long as it friggin solves retrogression!!
 
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