Retrogression - why did it take so long?

[notxer]

4 years ago and beyond, everyone had to wait for priority dates.

Then the backlog came.

Then the mass approvals from the backlog, but in their zeal to clear the mass backlogs, why didn't they impose the priorty dates. After all, the reason the dates have gone so far back now is that they let the floodgates open too long and now they have to correct their mistakes.

What ticked me off during the massive backlog time and the approvals that happened after that is day after day i saw people who had filed one or two years after me getting approved. There was no ryhme or reason to the approvals, people over the span of 2 years in filing dates were being approved in the same month. I had to watch this in agony for two years before i got my approval, (my 485 took 2 1/2 years).

There was no sense of justice and no sense of approvals based on where you were in the queue - this really sucked.

Now it is a horrible thing that the retrogression has happened to such a degree, but at least for one positive thing, approvals will now happen more fairly to those who have waited the longest. Approvals will be based on priority date.

Now the real problem is not the priority dates and the retrogression, the real problem is why did they let so many "potential" immigrates in? In other words, why did they grant so many temporary work visas and not match the same availability in AOS. In other words, they've created a situation in which they are trying to stuff 10 lbs of shit into a 5 lb bag - of course it's going to break.

Just my two cents worth.

 

[bharatpremi]

Notxer,

You are asking why?.. It is simple exploit game.. H1Bs are not baggage to US socially/ "national" point of view... As long as H1b holder find and manage company for him/her let him/her be in US and work their a.. off. The day this link between employer and H1b Holder breaks who gives a shit? No responsibility from any end .. matter ends.. Who gains in that ? everybody.. Employer get "Cheap labor", H1B Holder gets " So called higher economy gain" comparision to what he/she is worth in real sense (do not consider exceptions, everybody on this board knows what I am talking about) and can earn in his/her country. Most H1B holders in this situation may feel deserted but because they have come up here having dream to settle permanently here and so that feeling and frustration comes. But if you think US nationals point of view "Greencard" can be a baggage for US and US may have to pay heavy price for that... Because it is a permanent responsibility at US point of view. US need people from out side but simultaneously they want to limit it so politicaly and socially it remain always manageable.So Greencard numbers will never increase/ may decrease.. And H1s may decrease/increase a lot depending upon US and employers political and economical need at particular point of time. Problem lies with H1B holders mentality... Everybody wants to settle in US permanently.. Nothing wrong in that but it is ultimately US citizens will decide (Through senate etc..) how many outsiders should be welcomed "Permanently" on yearly basis. When H1s holder will start thinking about their own countries this problem will not be there. It is a sociopolitical problem...What you want can be achieved by only one way.. All H1b aspirants may create a worldwode political platform and just declare that nobody from no other country will go to US for work unless GC process is made easy... If this is done it will surely have effect.. DO you think that can be done or even possible? I donot think so... At individual level what one can do is start thinking about his/her own country.. Whatever gain you achieved so far being on H1 take with you and try to serve the economy of your own country rather wasting your years behind GC.

 

[LCSilence]

USCIS approved a lot of I485 with pretty recent PD. But why this will cause the severe retrogression? They used available visa for these I485. USCIS allowed a lot I485 with pretty recent PD to file? But again, why this has anything to do with the severe retrogression? These I485 are going to be pending until their PD became current. And older I485 are still going to be approved.

What I tried to say is: I do understand with need cut off date. But why it has to roll back that much? It doesn't seem that is because of the

 

[LCSilence]

USCIS approved a lot of I485 with pretty recent PD. But why this will cause the severe retrogression? They used available visa for these I485. USCIS allowed a lot I485 with pretty recent PD to file? But again, why this has anything to do with the severe retrogression? These I485 are going to be pending until their PD became current. And older I485 are still going to be approved.

What I tried to say is: I do understand with the need for cut off date. But why it has to roll back that much?

 

[catdog]

I was not going to post anything..but could not bear this.

Why are you guys abusing catdog when I see Bharatpremi also being so negative ?Just read the above post and you will see. Is this becasue of the screen name ? Also, Please do not call me by my real name. I put that on a post by mistake...

 

[bharatpremi]

We got to understand two things very clear.. 'Limited Visa numbers per country yearly basis'.. and we are "NO BODY"...How the hell they derive particular number 1,40,000/-? No logic..Why they do not increase it? perhaps Political/National demand?...They may decrease it in near future seeing political situation....They also want to run USA with manageable conditions (As per their definition) and they may have any "nationalistic" logic/force behind that... Who the hell are we to ask? nobody...In my belief, you can not challenge this root cause - limit on visa numbers legally because it is "LAW".. Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong. What "Lawyers" can do? Challenge anything if against "LAW". But this is a passed law. Lawyers can't challenge law...Their duty is to see whether "law" is follwed or not...Will then senators change that? Yes, if US public demands... Why US public do not demand? The real question is why they should? "Employers" need you then why they can't demand? They can and do demand "Skilled labor from outside with cheap rates" but on what ground can they demand "Permanent outside Skilled labor force QUCIKLY"? and due to first reason we are here as "H1 holders" on "H1B Visa" vehicle. They can get work from you on the same "H1 vehicle" then why they should care that you get your GC "quick"? They pretend by applying your GC... Now coming to the point, EB3 were already unavailable and my guess is that EB2 might also be nearerer to "Unavailable" so from nowonwards Total Visas would be 140000 in total and hardly additional back flow numbers would be available. Why retrogressed particularly to 1998 - EB3-India, 1999 -EB2- India? No logic... Logic right away tells that the person applied in or before 1998 can not be still waiting for GC (Except few exceptions), by now either they have got their GC or went away from US. This seems to be merely "Political" decision to me.. What can be behind it?.. you can come up with any scenerio depending upon from which country you have arrived here and through which glasses you see this "political" reason. Now what will happen is they will stuck there with hardly moving dates and "legally" you will not be able to ask "why dates are not moving".. This process will end up getting "Garbage" out of the country which they can certainly use again in their own country through outsourcing with more cheaper rates...Some lucky ones will survive this... (Note: Here on this board general belief is that to get GC is a good luck and cause of the life and so I am using 'lucky' words but in real facts of the IT world today it is debatable issue whether it is worth to have US GC nowadays)That's o.k. Who will win?... Assess my arguments!!!.. Even these sufferer will also win because ultimately they will be in their own country with no stress of GC (May have other stress) but the problem is that they do not want to be in their country so they feel "cheated" or "suffering"... But why the hell US DOL or any other entity should care about your planning not to be in your own country.

 

[bharatpremi]

CATDOG,

Perhaps the reason could be that I do not give them lecture. I share their pain. Though I opposed 'Anil's' comment about 'Talking in own language is unprofessional' I fundamentally believe that they do not have any attachment with their country and have attachment only with their "Good Life" and there is nothing wrong in it and so I do not advise them. You were slaughtered because fundamentally you look like "Hypocrate" while you advise people after getting US Citizenship... If you might have written that you are Indian citizen then their counter attack would not be so harsh.

- Bharatpremi

I was not going to post anything..but could not bear this.

Why are you guys abusing catdog when I see Bharatpremi also being so negative ?Just read the above post and you will see. Is this becasue of the screen name ? Also, Please do not call me by my real name. I put that on a post by mistake...

 

[elizabeth01234]

Thank you for your opinions on form, they mirror mine.US want peoples for work-H1, not for stay here.They need carrot, becuse like me 10% of all could show up on working wisa IF they known, it ONLY WORK AND NO WAY TO STAY PERMAMENTLY.IF us wanted to deal with us trully, number of GC should equal number of H1-b .They dont have any reason to belive that some of us will not want/will not be anable applay for one.This all is game.I will tell you something, THIS IS GAME FOR ME NOW TO.I am not going to stress myslef.THEY FOOL me, NOW i AM FOOLING THEM.LETS PLAY............LETS PLAY

by the way, i am doing information adds for peoples from mine country.Mine firm, have afew guys work by net.I send them full informations how all beauty of GC looks.You know , they resign even to start apply for H1.Before when i cry to mine bosses, how hard it is , they ignore me.Now they have looooong discusions, becuse NOONE FROM their furure workes want to show up here , and wait 8 years.(eb-3)they simply said THANKS. We will go to Europe.So I gave them links to congressmen, before they were not intrested at all.

LETS DO THEM AS MUCH BAD EDVERTAISING AS WE CAN.SHOW TRUE .

MINE QUESTION IS WHY US DONT HAVE LIMITS FOR H1 FOR INDIA.FOR WORK THEY ARE GOOD, NOT FOR CITIZENSHIP

 

[Akbari]

This attitude is better than CatDog - the meowmeow the hufhuf

Notxer,

You are asking why?.. It is simple exploit game.. H1Bs are not baggage to US socially/ "national" point of view... As long as H1b holder find and manage company for him/her let him/her be in US and work their a.. off. The day this link between employer and H1b Holder breaks who gives a shit? No responsibility from any end .. matter ends.. Who gains in that ? everybody.. Employer get "Cheap labor", H1B Holder gets " So called higher economy gain" comparision to what he/she is worth in real sense (do not consider exceptions, everybody on this board knows what I am talking about) and can earn in his/her country. Most H1B holders in this situation may feel deserted but because they have come up here having dream to settle permanently here and so that feeling and frustration comes. But if you think US nationals point of view "Greencard" can be a baggage for US and US may have to pay heavy price for that... Because it is a permanent responsibility at US point of view. US need people from out side but simultaneously they want to limit it so politicaly and socially it remain always manageable.So Greencard numbers will never increase/ may decrease.. And H1s may decrease/increase a lot depending upon US and employers political and economical need at particular point of time. Problem lies with H1B holders mentality... Everybody wants to settle in US permanently.. Nothing wrong in that but it is ultimately US citizens will decide (Through senate etc..) how many outsiders should be welcomed "Permanently" on yearly basis. When H1s holder will start thinking about their own countries this problem will not be there. It is a sociopolitical problem...What you want can be achieved by only one way.. All H1b aspirants may create a worldwode political platform and just declare that nobody from no other country will go to US for work unless GC process is made easy... If this is done it will surely have effect.. DO you think that can be done or even possible? I donot think so... At individual level what one can do is start thinking about his/her own country.. Whatever gain you achieved so far being on H1 take with you and try to serve the economy of your own country rather wasting your years behind GC.

 

[acmil]

What a pity

After wishing bad luck, bad health and abusing everyone in this forum, you are requesting us to be nice to you. What a Pity!

I am sure you are one of those people who came to this country.. were dependent on your husband all your life.. did not do anything worthwhile with your life and after taking everyone's s... , you found this forum and decided to take out your frustration on people in this forum

I was not going to post anything..but could not bear this.

Why are you guys abusing catdog when I see Bharatpremi also being so negative ?Just read the above post and you will see. Is this becasue of the screen name ? Also, Please do not call me by my real name. I put that on a post by mistake...