Retrogression to increase by 3-4 years!!!!, Do you agree???

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Found this at another lawyer website as to why this is the likely case. don't know if this is already posted elsewhere..

* Why did the backlogs form?
U.S. immigration laws contain quotas for immigrants which are dictated by the category in which they are immigrating and by their country of birth.
There is a numerical cap on employment-based ("EB") immigrants of 140,000 per year (plus the 50,000 immigrant visas for Schedule A professionals and their families, although it is important to remember that this is not 50,000 per year, but simply a one-time allotment). Last year, the quota was 250,000 because unused numbers from the late 1990s had been recaptured by a law passed in 2000 known as AC-21. See
These recaptured numbers were almost completely used up during the past year. The quota reverts back to 140,000 this year (plus 8,000 recaptured EB numbers and 8,000 unused family-based numbers), a 40% decrease in EB numbers.
So much for the supply side. The other factor which determines the priority dates is the huge demand for EB visas.
Here, the numbers dwarf the 156,000 available slots many times over. Consider that the numbers in the Visa Bulletin only regress as immigrant visa petitions are approved. This means that those 348,000+ persons with pending labor certificates at DOL Backlog Elimination Centers have not been factored into the equation. Imagine that only two-thirds of this total will ever be approved and EB petitions submitted on behalf of the employees. That would bring the number down to 200,000. However, remember that the 156,000 EB quota includes not only principal applicants but also their spouses and children. So, in reality, the number of potential EB immigrants whose cases are currently at the Backlog Elimination Centers will, no doubt, exceed 500,000. This could cause the EB numbers in the Visa Bulletin to regress another 3-4 years.
And how about persons with pending EB petitions, those with pending PERM applications, and those of you at the caboose of the train who are simply getting ready to file PERM applications?
It's enough to make your head swim!
* What is the Outlook for the Future?
If you ever took Economics 101 in college, you know that as the supply diminishes, and the demand increases, the price of the commodity rises.
When calculating what future Visa Bulletins may look like, it may be useful to think of the rise in the price of oil during the past few months. As the economies of developing countries continue to expand, the demand for oil rises. In developed countries, especially the U.S., demand for gas guzzling SUVs and trucks may be dropping, but owners of these vehicles are not driving them to the junk yards and trashing them immediately.
At least in the case of oil, increased prices spur more exploration which increases the supply. Since the number of EB visa numbers available is, on the other hand, purely an artificial construct, a huge increase in demand does not necessarily result in an increased supply of visas.
One additional analogy to oil is apt. What about alternative fuels like natural gas, coal, solar energy, etc.? The United States is not necessarily the only country of destination for skilled professionals. Given the huge visa backlogs, scientists and engineers and computer professionals choose alternatives to the U.S. and go to Europe, Canada or Australia, or perhaps to countries like Iran.
Unless Congress acts to increase the EB quotas, the backlogs are certain to lengthen rather than diminish. Look for the worldwide EB-3 category to retrogress further during this fiscal year or even become unavailable, and for the worldwide EB-2 category to backlog.
The State Department, in its notes to the October 2005 Visa Bulletin, puts it in a more diplomatic language:
"Item D in the Visa Bulletin (number 85) announcing the September cut- off dates provided information regarding the prospects of visa availability during the early months of FY-2006. Many categories have become oversubscribed for October, and cut-off dates established due to continued heavy demand for numbers by CIS for adjustment of status cases. Forward movement of the cut-off dates in these categories is likely to be limited."
 
Already posted.

I think that's from Shusterman's website. The part that concerns me is when he predicted that the EB3 worldwide can be backlogged further. Get worse than this ?

nato said:
Found this at another lawyer website as to why this is the likely case. don't know if this is already posted elsewhere..

* Why did the backlogs form?
U.S. immigration laws contain quotas for immigrants which are dictated by the category in which they are immigrating and by their country of birth.
There is a numerical cap on employment-based ("EB") immigrants of 140,000 per year (plus the 50,000 immigrant visas for Schedule A professionals and their families, although it is important to remember that this is not 50,000 per year, but simply a one-time allotment). Last year, the quota was 250,000 because unused numbers from the late 1990s had been recaptured by a law passed in 2000 known as AC-21. See
These recaptured numbers were almost completely used up during the past year. The quota reverts back to 140,000 this year (plus 8,000 recaptured EB numbers and 8,000 unused family-based numbers), a 40% decrease in EB numbers.
So much for the supply side. The other factor which determines the priority dates is the huge demand for EB visas.
Here, the numbers dwarf the 156,000 available slots many times over. Consider that the numbers in the Visa Bulletin only regress as immigrant visa petitions are approved. This means that those 348,000+ persons with pending labor certificates at DOL Backlog Elimination Centers have not been factored into the equation. Imagine that only two-thirds of this total will ever be approved and EB petitions submitted on behalf of the employees. That would bring the number down to 200,000. However, remember that the 156,000 EB quota includes not only principal applicants but also their spouses and children. So, in reality, the number of potential EB immigrants whose cases are currently at the Backlog Elimination Centers will, no doubt, exceed 500,000. This could cause the EB numbers in the Visa Bulletin to regress another 3-4 years.
And how about persons with pending EB petitions, those with pending PERM applications, and those of you at the caboose of the train who are simply getting ready to file PERM applications?
It's enough to make your head swim!
* What is the Outlook for the Future?
If you ever took Economics 101 in college, you know that as the supply diminishes, and the demand increases, the price of the commodity rises.
When calculating what future Visa Bulletins may look like, it may be useful to think of the rise in the price of oil during the past few months. As the economies of developing countries continue to expand, the demand for oil rises. In developed countries, especially the U.S., demand for gas guzzling SUVs and trucks may be dropping, but owners of these vehicles are not driving them to the junk yards and trashing them immediately.
At least in the case of oil, increased prices spur more exploration which increases the supply. Since the number of EB visa numbers available is, on the other hand, purely an artificial construct, a huge increase in demand does not necessarily result in an increased supply of visas.
One additional analogy to oil is apt. What about alternative fuels like natural gas, coal, solar energy, etc.? The United States is not necessarily the only country of destination for skilled professionals. Given the huge visa backlogs, scientists and engineers and computer professionals choose alternatives to the U.S. and go to Europe, Canada or Australia, or perhaps to countries like Iran.
Unless Congress acts to increase the EB quotas, the backlogs are certain to lengthen rather than diminish. Look for the worldwide EB-3 category to retrogress further during this fiscal year or even become unavailable, and for the worldwide EB-2 category to backlog.
The State Department, in its notes to the October 2005 Visa Bulletin, puts it in a more diplomatic language:
"Item D in the Visa Bulletin (number 85) announcing the September cut- off dates provided information regarding the prospects of visa availability during the early months of FY-2006. Many categories have become oversubscribed for October, and cut-off dates established due to continued heavy demand for numbers by CIS for adjustment of status cases. Forward movement of the cut-off dates in these categories is likely to be limited."
 
i do not agree with Shusterman, it sounds more of a progaganda than fact sheet.

unless i am in total dark and have no understanding of retrogression??


i mean what is the purpose of retrogression, to stop flood of new applications since they cannot process it due to numerical limitations.....am i right??

why would dates go further back??, u mean we have 100s of thousands of cases pending before 1998, am i missing something??

unless this whole thing is a practical joke on immigrants by uscis, i think the dates will inch forward, maybe very very slowly(due to huge demand and less supply).
 
That sounds crazy, EB3 unavailable, backlogged to 94 #$^%~, ban s..man for scaring

marlon2006 said:
I think that's from Shusterman's website. The part that concerns me is when he predicted that the EB3 worldwide can be backlogged further. Get worse than this ?
 
I don't think Retro dates would go back. Because of supply/demand thing, dates may not move forward quickly, but at least either stay as it is for some time especially till end of this year and hopefully move forward a little bit in the yearly next year.

As I mentioned above, dates move forward with velocity decreasing as they move forward. Because there will be more and more demand than supply as they move forward (lesser people with older prority dates) unless they increase the quota.

So, the bottom line is, either congress should increase the visa numbers or group of people should fight for that in the positive side. Otherwise it would be a fluid situation like nobody knows what will happen.

Best of luck guys...
 
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I think Shusterman might be correct

the retrogression gets worse doesn't mean the cut-off date actually moves back.


say now EB3 cut-off is 1998, IF the processing move forward at the same speed as the actual date moves , like on any given working day USCIS finish one-whole working day's cases. then 7 years later, it will process case with PD today. And it will NEVER catch up to be current. There will always be 7-year waiting.

IF the processing of the old cases is faster than the date moves,
say each working day, they process two-day worth cases, then they need 3.5 years to finish cases up-to-today, and 1.75 more years to catch up to be current.

if we had more cases flooding from BECs and for those 245i pending cases, then it could be slower than the scenario 1, in that case, the average waiting time 7 years will be easily pushed back to more than 10 years.


I think it will benefit everybody to have at least a backup plan, to plan your future, career and family. Anyway you won't have many 7 years in your life.
 
Folks...am pretty sure that USCIS is doing a major restructuring in its various departments....and thus they do not want more work now.....and more applications either.

Am pretty sure the dates will move next year.......

but EB3 category will be screwed up....for another couple of years....

I am EB3 May 2003....and what am I doing in this board.....am I crazy?

No....Not at all.......just dreaming someone might shed some light to keep me going.
 
correct 7-10 years worth of wait is worthless

sffamily said:
I think it will benefit everybody to have at least a backup plan, to plan your future, career and family. Anyway you won't have many 7 years in your life.
 
Again a worthless chase.

Please see my other post. I am pasting it here again. This might help you see the situation with realistic expectations:



CATDOG might be telling the truth after all!!!..

Guys,
Please no offence but see the issue/options this way.
You all are stuck as far as GC process is concerned. Its time to get real, wake up and smell the coffee!!!.Your I485 processing itself won't start in next 3 yrs or so. Even if it starts after 3 yrs, don't expect GC very next day!!!. My date was current when I filed. The dates never retrogessed all papers were in order, no delays in FBI check etc, still it took 18 months to process(after filling for 485 with approved 140). So assuming all goes smoothly you can expect your GC in 4.5 yrs. Now this does not assume cases where , FBI checks get bothched up,the BCIS favorite "RFE" is issued, files getting lost, BCIS asks for medical again and worst case is transfered to local office. If that happens add 2-3 yrs more. In all on an average you can expect GC in 5 yrs.This is average considering all good, bad possibilities.

Now with 5 yrs estimate here is what happens if you choose to remain here in USA versus you choose to go back to India.

CASE 1: You choose to continue pursuing GC dream in USA.
(1) You can kiss goodbye your raises, promotions etc.
All bosses utilize "game theory" at work. If you have not read the book go read it. You will not get REAL raises, bonuses, promotions(you will be given 1% or small amount, this to keep Dept of Labor happy and avoid potential lawsuits later). Your boss "knows" no matter what ( whether he gives you raise, bonuses or not) you WILL stay as you are pursuing the GC dream. Furthur you will work 16 hrs a day without complaining, since you can't risk losing job either. In short according to game theory your boss has no incentive to give you raise or bonus. Forget about human values, business is done for bottom line. So don't expect your boss to be "nice". Remember he himself is working for raise, bonus and only way he can get it is by reducing the budget and still getting work done. You will just get HIM the raise but not GET the raise.
Changing job using AC21 or that 180 day portablity clause won't be a solution either. All boses know this clause. They also know when a person is using this clause he is in tight position. You might get a new job, well yes in same occupation, but things won't be different. Just the boss and compnay will change.
In all there won't be any resume growth in 5 yrs.

(2) This point only applies to IT field.Consider the future of software development. Do you really think after 5 yrs you will find development jobs?. You won't get promoted in 5 yrs so after 5 yrs you would still be developer not Project Manager. Unfortunately, there won't be many new development jobs left in USA with current outsourcing trends in market. Development jobs are similar to those manufacturing jobs in late 80s. With no jobs, you again are stuck with salary. There won't be salary growth again.Just when you thought you had your GC, you would find singing "Where have all software jobs gone?!!!" . No brownie points for guessing the answer to that.
In short you would completely waste 5 yrs of your young, productive life.

****I am Project Manager BTW and have GC. I know all these tactics of bosses as I use them!!!!!!!!

(3) With on going "GC tension" most of you would be better off not buying house. This is especially true if you are employed by Desi Bloodsucking consultant. They will move you when it suits them. Also with no guarantee of GC there is no reason for buying house. Now why this is important?.
Because, financially you would loose atleast $30,000 if you keep on renting for 5 yrs!!!!!.Thats huge sum of money.

(4) Your wife if she is not employed on H1 on her own will have to work menial jobs with EAD. She would go to walmart etc. No harm in that. But Psychologically she will loose self esteem. She might have been earning 10000 rupees in India but she was a software developer with future. In walmart she has no future. This is even true if your wives are not working here because you can't get EAD...
Would you like to make your most precious someone suffer from low esteem as a result of GC wait?.
Worst this low self esteem usually moves into kids as kids ape their moms and dads.

(5) Increase in fights between wives/husbands as a result of frustrations occuring from, promotion denials, GC wait. Be real we are all humans and we will all do this. Kids would see you fighting and most likely will be the worst affected.

(6) Onset of long term health problems like ulcers, Diabetes etc.

(7) Till now we have made assumptions that you will get GC in 5 yrs. What if you wait for 5 yrs and don't get it for any reason?. You will be totally depressed if that happenes. You will be like the gambler who has lost everything gambling in Vegas. Just go to vegas and see these people. Would you risk wanting to be like them Psycologically?.

CASE 2:
Now what if you pack your bags and go back?.
(1) You are overwhelmed by noise, pollution, dirt.
Well there is nothing you can really do about it. But then these are minor irritants as your work place and home will be air conditioned anyway.
(2) Reduction in salary because you are moving from dollars to rupee.
This is what most of you would give as your sole reason for sticking back. But how much do your really save in USA?. You earn in dollars here but then forget that you spend in dollars as well. It really does not matter in long term
(3) Huge opportunities in choice of jobs.
(4) Bosses can 't exploit you. You are in "demand". Equation has changed. You can threaten to quit if you don't get good quality coffee!!!(just kidding).
(5) In 5 yrs you can climg 4-5 levels easily.
(6) You may well have chance to work in Europe, Australia, singapore, even back to USA on assignments. This will increase you global exposure increasing your market value. And yes in 5 yrs you can actually grab a job as a "boss" with international exposure in USA. This time as EB1 candidate and managing EB3 people who have been waiting for 5 yrs.The very same EB3 people asking for feedback from you after having worked 16 hrs a day. While you tell advise them that they need to work on communication skills,be more proactive rather than beng reactive,you are planning for weekend golf outing with another boss from another big company.While you tell these 16hrs a day EB3 worker that 1.5% raise is great and all you can give them, you get 20% raise for getting project done in minimum budget and time.
(7) For the 5 yrs in India your wife would be pursuing the career of her choice. She would equally progress in her career.
(8) Advantages of being in a exponetially growing economy.

In all everybody will be happy. Yes the only thing you may not have is the elusive GC.


Now decide with a cool head what you want to be in next 5 yrs?.
 
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