Real ID ACT: Some New INformation

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wantmygcnow

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Just to let you know what I found out today by watching CNn and the Real Id Act. After the passage of this bill, Drivers Licenses WONT be accepted at Airports. Everyone would have to go to Local Post Offices to get a "National ID" which would put your status on the Card...Permanent REsident/U.S Citizen/Asylee/Refugee etc and Country of BIRTH.

This was explained by a Senator who did vote for the law because the reporter asked him Most states already require that..so what does this law address?...

Morever, Asylum will be hard to get with this law. I think this Law HURTS more than it helps..Its not good for America to have your status on a CARD..Which would lead to discrimination...I think. Imagine going to the airport with your boss and you are singled out because you are an asylee or the county you were born in. Every Asylee(most are from 3rd world nations) would be subject to extra security at the airport......
 
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wantmygcnow said:
...... After the passage of this bill, Drivers Licenses WONT be accepted at Airports. Everyone would have to go to Local Post Offices to get a "National ID" which would put your status on the Card...Permanent REsident/U.S Citizen/Asylee/Refugee etc and Country of BIRTH.

This was explained by a Senator who did vote for the law because the reporter asked him Most states already require that..so what does this law address?......
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Only the DL from the states that give licenses to ilegals won't be accepted as a valid federal ID...."National ID at the post office" :confused: there is not such thing on HR 418.....No senator has voted for the bill yet...the bill is not up for vote
 
It was voted in the House..Thats what I meant. IF you look back at all the laws implemented..It never explains how they will be implemented. A LAW NEver goes into details as to what will happen. its just a law that requires further information from DHS when implemented.
 
wantmygcnow said:
Just to let you know what I found out today by watching CNn and the Real Id Act. After the passage of this bill, Drivers Licenses WONT be accepted at Airports. Everyone would have to go to Local Post Offices to get a "National ID" which would put your status on the Card...Permanent REsident/U.S Citizen/Asylee/Refugee etc and Country of BIRTH.

This was explained by a Senator who did vote for the law because the reporter asked him Most states already require that..so what does this law address?...

Morever, Asylum will be hard to get with this law. I think this Law HURTS more than it helps..Its not good for America to have your status on a CARD..Which would lead to discrimination...I think. Imagine going to the airport with your boss and you are singled out because you are an asylee or the county you were born in. Every Asylee(most are from 3rd world nations) would be subject to extra security at the airport......
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I wonder what they gonna put on the card of those, who have pending applications for asylum or pending applications for other kinds of status. Will it say " pending application"? What about those, who have temporary visa like F1,J1,H1B, H2B etc?
 
I think this ID ACT has to be explained further. i know we all sent all the faxes and stuff but the reason lots of organizations(ailf, amnesty intl etc) are making a fuss about is due to the fact its like a way for government to put tabs on people...

I mean ifyou just read whats in this bill..Most of it is already in law in the U.s..and it doesn't sound that bad..But I think this bill is bad for every immigrant Unless you are a U.S Citizen.
 
I've read the bill.. most already is being implemented and everything makes sense (wantmygcnow I think you agreed on this before..) there is nothing anti immigration unless you are an illegal and I think they should do more to check who's coming into this country The way some states were giving DL was ridiculous and the 9/11 hijackers had 63 legal DL in their possession ..... I don't really like flying at 30.000 feet with my boss in the same plane with some illegals that nobody knows who they really and were they came from...
Most of the org against the bill represent lawyers and I think the bill means less business for them so I don't blame them for being against it (..I would be if I was a lawyer...) Amnesty intern is against everything current gov does ...I think they are a joke
 
wantmygcnow said:
Just to let you know what I found out today by watching CNn and the Real Id Act. After the passage of this bill, Drivers Licenses WONT be accepted at Airports. Everyone would have to go to Local Post Offices to get a "National ID" which would put your status on the Card...Permanent REsident/U.S Citizen/Asylee/Refugee etc and Country of BIRTH.

This was explained by a Senator who did vote for the law because the reporter asked him Most states already require that..so what does this law address?...

Morever, Asylum will be hard to get with this law. I think this Law HURTS more than it helps..Its not good for America to have your status on a CARD..Which would lead to discrimination...I think. Imagine going to the airport with your boss and you are singled out because you are an asylee or the county you were born in. Every Asylee(most are from 3rd world nations) would be subject to extra security at the airport......
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I don't think it gonna hurt you if your boss end up knowing that you are an asylee... I would never mind about it, even now, without the HR 418, everytime I travell abroad and come back they always take me to a special room anyways.
 
Hey genius

Thank heavens for the rule of law, constitutionalism and the relatively studied and principled manner laws and decisions are made in this country. Had it not been for lawyers, advocacy interest groups and the judicial system, opportunists like you and majoritarian mobs (like those in the past who lynched and disenfranchised millions of others in this country) would have had the day.

You were able to read, analyze and determine that everything in H.R. 418 "makes sense" or that "there is nothing anti-immigration unless you are an illegal." What a stroke of genius and foresight! Even the sponsors of the draft law squirm and attempt to spin the ugliness and xenophobia embedded in the bill. Maybe you need to get H.R. 418 translated into your native language for your compromised brain to process and understand its spiteful content.

Cheerio

samoel said:
I've read the bill.. most already is being implemented and everything makes sense (wantmygcnow I think you agreed on this before..) there is nothing anti immigration unless you are an illegal and I think they should do more to check who's coming into this country The way some states were giving DL was ridiculous and the 9/11 hijackers had 63 legal DL in their possession ..... I don't really like flying at 30.000 feet with my boss in the same plane with some illegals that nobody knows who they really and were they came from...
Most of the org against the bill represent lawyers and I think the bill means less business for them so I don't blame them for being against it (..I would be if I was a lawyer...) Amnesty intern is against everything current gov does ...I think they are a joke
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TortFeasor..Thats my poiint exactly. We asylee read the "eliminate cap" and we went yes yes for the bill but after you actually discuss the bill and ask "how will this be done?"...you go woahh damn! I had the same atittude that Hey its already implemented..thats why I wrote..I am confused why is everyone wasting time...but when i was home sick today and was surfing the channels in midday...and the Headline was "America's Aviation still venerable"...they went into this Real Id Act...and I tell ya..IF this is implemented..you may get the cap removed but This will make U.S LIkE other "immigrant" watching nations..such as germany etc...

This isn't good for everyone in general. Can you imagine just being stopped by cops and they asking your immigration status? I know not a big deal..

Do you know that if an asylum is denied ..after this law is implemented..You can be DEPORTED and not be entitled to appeals????...

This law sucks!....I am sorry my asylee brothers...but its not good for future asylees who DO come here to be PROTECTED>...
 
People. STOP OVERREACTING. It seems that most of you got some kind of paranoia about being an asylee. I don't know about you all but I never got discriminated a single time for last 6 years and everybody (including my boss) know that I'm ans asylee. I don't feel that there is anything wrong with it. Don't forget that this country's population is 98% from immigrants and everybody know it. There is nothing wrong when the Government is trying to tight security. I want my kids to live in a secure country.
 
wantmygcnow wrote:

Do you know that if an asylum is denied ..after this law is implemented..You can be DEPORTED and not be entitled to appeals????...

This law sucks!....I am sorry my asylee brothers...but its not good for future asylees who DO come here to be PROTECTED>...
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I agree.

I believe that to some extent this bill will send back people that should qualify for asylum for it will eliminate some of the appeal processes that are now available to foreigners applying for asylum. If nothing is changed in the bill, in my opinion, some people (or a lot people) will be sent back to harms way because of it.

(no terrorists qualify under the current law - so there is no need to eliminate steps in the appeals process and deport faster people that would otherwise qualify for asylum in the long run, with checks and balances in place)

If this bill was already in place, probably a few (or a lot) of us, asylees, would not be here today.

I have mixed feelings about the bill because the elimination cap for asylees was added to it, and it might be our only chance to get adjusted faster. But at what price? (rhetorical question). They added the elimination cap to make it look like a compassionate bill.

So I ask you guys:

WOULD YOU WHOLE HEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS BILL (H.R. 418), AS IT IS, IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE ELIMINATION CAP?
 
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TortFeasor said:
Thank heavens for the rule of law, constitutionalism and the relatively studied and principled manner laws and decisions are made in this country. Had it not been for lawyers, advocacy interest groups and the judicial system, opportunists like you and majoritarian mobs (like those in the past who lynched and disenfranchised millions of others in this country) would have had the day.

You were able to read, analyze and determine that everything in H.R. 418 "makes sense" or that "there is nothing anti-immigration unless you are an illegal." What a stroke of genius and foresight! Even the sponsors of the draft law squirm and attempt to spin the ugliness and xenophobia embedded in the bill. Maybe you need to get H.R. 418 translated into your native language for your compromised brain to process and understand its spiteful content.

Cheerio
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Hey Tortfeasor take a chill pill man. I think the bill is good if you think is so bad please enlighten everybody but no need to call me names I did not write the bill... :cool:
 
This is why

1. The "revised" asylum provisions that require applicants to produce corroborating evidence. To say the least, it is usually very difficult to generate corroborating evidence from your persecutors stating that you were jailed, beaten or threatened with torture or that you will most probably be killed or jailed if you return to your country. Governments are not so dumb as to publicize and authenticate their repressive actions.

2. Denial of judicial review. This alarming provision will deny independent review of decisions made by immigration judges and the Board of Immigration Appeals (BIA). This is a direct affront to reverse and revoke the relatively pro-asylee interpretations made by the U.S. Courts of Appeals for the Ninth (San Francisco), Second (New York) and Seventh (Chicago) Circuits. [Please note the location of these courts vis a vis the great "red" and "blue" divide]. Therefore, potentially capricious decisions by immigration judges and the BIA will get limited review by the independent federal judicial system. Please remember that the BIA has been turned into a rubber stamp institution when Ashcroft stripped down its powers and fired a chunk of its judges.

3. The "federalized" drivers license or ID. This is nothing but a veiled attempt to make life difficult for the 10-12 million undocumented persons who work and live in this country. Its effect will be to further drive these persons into the shadows. What sense is there in having untrained and uninsured motorists driving in our highways? It is a fact none of the pinheads will like to admit but these persons are essential and vital to sustain our daily lives and no one has the capacity or the desire to deport them. In anticipation of what will be the ultimate solution, i.e. the full, unconditional and unmitigated legalization of these persons (and not that idiotic "guest-worker" nonsense), Sensenbrenner & Co. want to preempt that by linking the presence of these persons with security. I think the best way to promote security will be to legalize everyone and know who is roaming around the country.

One way or the other, even if H.R. 418 is made into law in its current form, it will be subject to court challenges. Especially, the denial of judicial review and the federalized ID (as unfunded mandates on the states) will trigger years of constitutional litigation. It may end up being the "Keep Lawyers Fully Employed and Busy Act of 2005."

Cheerio

samoel said:
Hey Tortfeasor take a chill pill man. I think the bill is good if you think is so bad please enlighten everybody but no need to call me names I did not write the bill... :cool:
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wantmygcnow said:
Just to let you know what I found out today by watching CNn and the Real Id Act. After the passage of this bill, Drivers Licenses WONT be accepted at Airports. Everyone would have to go to Local Post Offices to get a "National ID" which would put your status on the Card...Permanent REsident/U.S Citizen/Asylee/Refugee etc and Country of BIRTH.

This was explained by a Senator who did vote for the law because the reporter asked him Most states already require that..so what does this law address?...

Morever, Asylum will be hard to get with this law. I think this Law HURTS more than it helps..Its not good for America to have your status on a CARD..Which would lead to discrimination...I think. Imagine going to the airport with your boss and you are singled out because you are an asylee or the county you were born in. Every Asylee(most are from 3rd world nations) would be subject to extra security at the airport......
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Told you so! It is a fascist bill drafted by supremacist xenophobic anti-imigrant red necks
 
samoel said:
I've read the bill.. most already is being implemented and everything makes sense (wantmygcnow I think you agreed on this before..) there is nothing anti immigration unless you are an illegal and I think they should do more to check who's coming into this country The way some states were giving DL was ridiculous and the 9/11 hijackers had 63 legal DL in their possession ..... I don't really like flying at 30.000 feet with my boss in the same plane with some illegals that nobody knows who they really and were they came from...
Most of the org against the bill represent lawyers and I think the bill means less business for them so I don't blame them for being against it (..I would be if I was a lawyer...) Amnesty intern is against everything current gov does ...I think they are a joke
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You are a complete hypocrite. You were considered an illegal alien when you broke the agreement on your visitor visa. You broke the law and you over-stayed. Gosh, I am sick and tired of hypocrisy. I guess it was not illegal 500 years ago when the Europeans came univited to this country; would we consider them illegal too? I am sick and tired of people only watching for their own good and not seeing the common good. The people you call "illegal" do the jobs regular Americans refuse to do: they drive our cabs; they clean our bathrooms; they wash our cars; they cook our food.
 
TortFeasor said:
Thank heavens for the rule of law, constitutionalism and the relatively studied and principled manner laws and decisions are made in this country. Had it not been for lawyers, advocacy interest groups and the judicial system, opportunists like you and majoritarian mobs (like those in the past who lynched and disenfranchised millions of others in this country) would have had the day.

You were able to read, analyze and determine that everything in H.R. 418 "makes sense" or that "there is nothing anti-immigration unless you are an illegal." What a stroke of genius and foresight! Even the sponsors of the draft law squirm and attempt to spin the ugliness and xenophobia embedded in the bill. Maybe you need to get H.R. 418 translated into your native language for your compromised brain to process and understand its spiteful content.

Cheerio
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I totally agree with your statements.
 
ayyubov said:
People. STOP OVERREACTING. It seems that most of you got some kind of paranoia about being an asylee. I don't know about you all but I never got discriminated a single time for last 6 years and everybody (including my boss) know that I'm ans asylee. I don't feel that there is anything wrong with it. Don't forget that this country's population is 98% from immigrants and everybody know it. There is nothing wrong when the Government is trying to tight security. I want my kids to live in a secure country.
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We all want to live in a a secure country, but we are not doing it the right way. Rather than fighting the evil represented by the Saudi regime, which sponsored and continue to sponsor terrorist organizations, the bill is targetting poor workers in this country. This bill is an excuse for supremacists in this country to control the flow of non whites. Wake up!
 
Important question

:rolleyes: I'm going to try again and ask you guys:

WOULD YOU WHOLE HEARTEDLY SUPPORT THIS BILL (H.R. 418), IF IT DIDN'T HAVE THE ELIMINATION CAP?
 
I guess I would not. This is nothing but a survival instinct. I guess it is easier for folks that already have their green cards to elaborate about the humanitarian goals and so on, and I absolutely understand their good intentions but we all know, unless you have your own peace of mind you do not generally tend to be compasionate to others 100%. Let us admit it, guys.
 
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