Question about pre draw eliminations? (If they exist)

[wench]

I was thinking about this the other day.

From Australia we had around 80,000 entrants this year, I believe it was. (I don't recall exactly, a friend sent me a link but have misplaced it.)

Of those 80,000 entries is everyone included in the draw or are some people eliminated prior to it?

My thinking was there may be some automated system in which people who submit bad photos could be eliminated or the like but really I have no idea.

I know we have a lot of people enter from here who then get drawn but don't follow through, or just enter for the hell of it, etc. so I guess I'm interested if any of those may be eliminated or if everyone who enters is automatically in the draw.

If anyone has any info it would be most appreciated

 

[makeiteasier]

Valid

I was thinking about this the other day.

From Australia we had around 80,000 entrants this year, I believe it was. (I don't recall exactly, a friend sent me a link but have misplaced it.)

Of those 80,000 entries is everyone included in the draw or are some people eliminated prior to it?

My thinking was there may be some automated system in which people who submit bad photos could be eliminated or the like but really I have no idea.

I know we have a lot of people enter from here who then get drawn but don't follow through, or just enter for the hell of it, etc. so I guess I'm interested if any of those may be eliminated or if everyone who enters is automatically in the draw.

If anyone has any info it would be most appreciated

I believe that USCIS releases the results of the number of ONLY VALID ENTRANTS. so if u saw 80000 those were the valid entrants...with good pictures and one entry per person.

 

[Qewty]

I was thinking about this the other day.

From Australia we had around 80,000 entrants this year, I believe it was.

Wow, we really had 80,000 entrants?! I didn't think we had that many - or maybe I was just hoping! lol




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[Superkruz]

From Australia we had around 80,000 entrants this year, I believe it was.

The exact number of entrants from Australia for DV2013 is 12423, not close to 80 000. You can verify this here on the website of the US state department.

 

[Qewty]

Now that's a much better number

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[Schoolboy]

The exact number of entrants from Australia for DV2013 is 12423, not close to 80 000. You can verify this here on the website of the US state department.

@superkruz,you are right about Australia Entrants 12,423 while spouse and children 5,694 total 18,117.Still okay for Australia.

 

[jayo2k]

@superkruz,you right Australia Entrants12,423 while spouse and children 5,694 total 18,117.Still okay for Australia.

3 578 for Angola... that's high
by he way, what's more important, the entries alone or the entries with deriviatives?

 

[slash_dot]

3 578 for Angola... that's high
by he way, what's more important, the entries alone or the entries with deriviatives?

Total is important, because every derivative dependant (spouse, children etc) that is listed on the winning entrant's application form will take a visa and count towards the total number issued.

 

[Schoolboy]

3 578 for Angola... that's high
by he way, what's more important, the entries alone or the entries with deriviatives?

@Jayo2k,total entries is the important thing here.Not just qualified entries received by DOS but (total entries is the important thing)

 

[wench]

The exact number of entrants from Australia for DV2013 is 12423, not close to 80 000. You can verify this *can't post url as < 15 posts* on the website of the US state department.

I went to post right before bed but apparently it didn't go through, I actually thought to myself "Maybe I somehow got 80,000 and 18,000 confused" - then I realized that 18,000 would be closer to a 5% chance of being drawn which I believe is about the shot we have here.

Either way, am happy to see confirmation - thank you

Here's hoping all the Aussies here make that 5%!

 

[Qewty]

I'm hoping right along with you!

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[Superkruz]

Total is important, because every derivative dependant (spouse, children etc) that is listed on the winning entrant's application form will take a visa and count towards the total number issued.

As far as I am aware, only principals (DV1) count towards the 55 000 annual limit

 

[slash_dot]

As far as I am aware, only principals (DV1) count towards the 55 000 annual limit

Could you post a source for that please?

I read here (bottom of page 5 under the subtitle "derivatives") that derivatives do count towards the 50,000 cap.

I would be very happy to be wrong in this situation!

Thanks.

 

[Qewty]

I was also under the impression that derivatives counted towards the cap, which is a pity, but I am pretty sure that is the case.

I will look for a source.

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[real_picture]

I was thinking about this the other day.

From Australia we had around 80,000 entrants this year, I believe it was. (I don't recall exactly, a friend sent me a link but have misplaced it.)

Of those 80,000 entries is everyone included in the draw or are some people eliminated prior to it?

My thinking was there may be some automated system in which people who submit bad photos could be eliminated or the like but really I have no idea.

I know we have a lot of people enter from here who then get drawn but don't follow through, or just enter for the hell of it, etc. so I guess I'm interested if any of those may be eliminated or if everyone who enters is automatically in the draw.

If anyone has any info it would be most appreciated

Your photo can be eliminated if:

• it doesn't conform to technical specs
• the picture is not taken accoridng to guidelines (e..g no shades, non-neutral background..etc)
• facial recognition software identifies that one person submitted multiple entries
• you manipulate the photo digitally (e.g. draw a beard,..etc)
• there's probably more to this list.

KCC will eliminate photos based on above rationale before the draw.
If you've been drawn, you've probably been double- or tripple-screened already.

 

[Superkruz]

Could you post a source for that please?
I read here (bottom of page 5 under the subtitle "derivatives") that derivatives do count towards the 50,000 cap.
I would be very happy to be wrong in this situation!

Unfortunately, after some investigation, I realised that I am wrong and you are right. That means that of the roughly 100 000 principal entrants that are drawn every year, only about a quarter (25 000) get a visa, while the remainder of the quota is made up by their family members. It makes me appreciate even more how lucky I was.

 

[slash_dot]

Unfortunately, after some investigation, I realised that I am wrong and you are right. That means that of the roughly 100 000 principal entrants that are drawn every year, only about a quarter (25 000) get a visa, while the remainder of the quota is made up by their family members. It makes me appreciate even more how lucky I was.

Yes I saw the number breakdowns too on the DHS website earlier.

I wonder though; there is usually a couple of thousand Diversity Visas remaining by the end of the fiscal year, we know this by looking at the total issue. DV-2 to 7 dependants (children and spouses) only get visas if the principle applicant (DV-1) is successful (unless the principle applicant is placed on AP and his visa is reserved until the end of the fiscal year in which case the dependants can travel ahead I've read), that means there are a huge amounts of denials for the initial entrants.

If 100,000 DV-1 applicants are initially selected and given case numbers, and only approximately 25,000~ DV-1 applicants are successful, with the remainder of the total Diversity Visas going dependants, and there is STILL a surplus of visas left over by the end of the fiscal year, 3/4 of applicants either:

1. Do not pursue their case after notification of selection.
2. Do not attend their interview.
3. Are denied.
4. Or doing an AOS/CP with a very high case number and don’t become current before the end of the fiscal year.

Interesting.

 

[jayo2k]

Total is important, because every derivative dependant (spouse, children etc) that is listed on the winning entrant's application form will take a visa and count towards the total number issued.

thanks for the respnse, in fact i know for the visa, what i was asking was about the selection process, do they select approx 100k deriviatives included or without deriviatives?

 

[slash_dot]

thanks for the respnse, in fact i know for the visa, what i was asking was about the selection process, do they select approx 100k deriviatives included or without deriviatives?

If I am correct, as I stated above, the 100,000 initial selected are primary applicants. I say this because irrespective of how many derivatives the primary applicant has in his/her family, only one case number is issued for the family as a whole. There is also only a relatively small surplus of visas remaining every single time, which if the 100,000 selected included derivatives, I could not see happening (it would be larger).

Furthermore, no Diversity Visas are actually issued until after a (successful) interview for those eligible.

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Edit: Now I think about it. I'm not so sure if the 100,000 include derivatives or not.

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Edit2: I did some more digging and read a Special Briefing that was conducted a year ago; 13 May 2011.
It was to do with the May 1st DV 2012 fiasco. The State Department Official states that the notified applicants (the 100,000 or so) that get selected are the primary applicants only.
This is important because he acknowledges that of the 22,000 individuals that found out they had been selected in the aborted DV 2012 Lottery, there were potentially more people affected due to some of the selectees having family members/dependants.

This is the transcript:

(Link here)

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: No, we’re going to use the new one with – correcting that coding error.

QUESTION: Okay. Thank you.

OPERATOR: Mr. Mohammed, you may ask your question.

QUESTION: Yeah, just two things to follow up. Is any U.S. Government official – has any U.S. Government official been disciplined or being fired or suffering any consequences as a result of being responsible for this error? So that’s question number one.

And question number two, is it that 22,000 people were erroneously told that they were eligible for a visa – special visa program in the lottery? Or is it only that you had 22,000 accesses that might reflect more people because they were family members?

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: It was 22,000 entrants, so it was based on the registration. So it could represent more family members.

QUESTION: So it’s not – just so we’re precise in our language –

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: But they were the --

QUESTION: Just so we’re precise in our language, you’re talking about entrees not entrants, correct?

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: Entrees, yes.

QUESTION: Got it. Okay. Thank you. Okay, so it could be more than 22,000 people.

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: That would be impacted by this – yeah, family members.

QUESTION: Can you get us that number of the actual number of people?

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: I don’t know that we would know that. I don’t know – I mean, I don’t have that.

QUESTION: Well, but you need to come up with 50,000 out of the 90,000, so presumably there should be a way to know – to know that figure, right?

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: I can check and see. I don’t know that – I don’t know that because I don’t have a figure. I can check and see if that’s something that can be derived.

QUESTION: Okay. Thank you. But in any case, if one asserts that more than 22,000 people were erroneously informed that would be correct, because it will certainly have been – there will be at least one case among the 22,000 that reflects more than one person, correct?

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: If you mean that – I went in and checked and I found out that I had been selected, and I have a spouse – so that if you mean that that means two people, yes. That’s correct.

QUESTION: And then the last question and this is really for Heide or Mark if he’s on the call rather than you, sir. Is there some reason why this cannot be on the record? I realize that --

MS. FULTON: Arshad, I’m glad you asked that question. Actually, what we’ve done is – you filmed that, right?

SENIOR STATE DEPARTMENT OFFICIAL: Yeah.

 

[jayo2k]

If I am correct, as I stated above, the 100,000 initial selected are primary applicants. I say this because irrespective of how many derivatives the primary applicant has in his/her family, only one case number is issued for the family as a whole. There is also only a relatively small surplus of visas remaining every single time, which if the 100,000 selected included derivatives, I could not see happening (it would be larger).

Furthermore, no Diversity Visas are actually issued until after a (successful) interview for those eligible.

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Edit: Now I think about it. I'm not so sure if the 100,000 include derivatives or not.

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Edit2: I did some more digging and read a Special Briefing that was conducted a year ago; 13 May 2011.
It was to do with the May 1st DV 2012 fiasco. The State Department Official states that the notified applicants (the 100,000 or so) that get selected are the primary applicants only.
This is important because he acknowledges that of the 22,000 individuals that found out they had been selected in the aborted DV 2012 Lottery, there were potentially more people affected due to some of the selectees having family members/dependants.

This is the transcript:

(Link here)

Painfull memories the DV 2012 because i was a former selectee... Now i think about it, how come I've been selected even though my picture didn't meet the requirement?
when I submited my entry last october, I took a close look at the requirement & realized that my last year picture was way off the rules... Streached with shadows on the wall & on my clothes, the head wasn't the right position nor dimention...

What could have happened that I've been selected even with a wrong photo format?