Prove continued fear of persecution at adjustment

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Hi Gilbert, in your response to my other question, you mentioned: "In order to get adjustment, you must prove your continued fear of persecution ". Ho will BCIS ask me to prove this? Will they send me RFE or ask me to go to an interview? What kind of evidences they may ask me to prove my continued fear of persecution? Thanks.
 
This comes from the legal code:

"Not more than 10,000 of the refugee admissions authorized under section 207(a) in any fiscal year may be made available by the Attorney General, in the Attorney General's discretion and under such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe, to adjust to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence the status of any alien granted asylum who -


(1) applies for such adjustment,


(2) has been physically present in the United States for at least one year after being granted asylum,


(3) continues to be a refugee within the meaning of section 101(a)(42)(A) or a spouse or child of such a refugee,


(4) is not firmly resettled in any foreign country, and


(5) is admissible (except as otherwise provided undersubsection (c)) as an immigrant under this Act at the time of examination for adjustment of such alien. Upon approval of an application under this subsection, the Attorney General shall establish a record of the alien's admission for lawful permanent residence as of the date one year before the date of the approval of the application.

(c) The provisions of paragraphs (4), (5), and (7)(A) of section 212(a) shall not be applicable to any alien seeking adjustment of status under this section, and the Attorney General may waive any other provision of such section (other than paragraph (2)(C) or subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (E) of paragraph (3)) with respect to such an alien for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest."

That said, they generally assume that you have continued persecution and do not require any specific proof to that effect. They will of course contact you if they believe your case merit attention on this score. This is likely only for people who use national passports or visit there.
 
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What is the percentage?

hi There;
I'm asylee too. I applied for adjustment status (I-485) in August 2000 and will have to be finger printed in June 2004. I have couple questions:

1. What is the percentage of asylee who applied for adjustment status (I-485) that is approved for Green card ? is it like 99,99%?
2. What is usually the reason people got denied for their I-485?
3. will it be any problem if my company that I work for sponsor me for my green card when I'm still waiting for my adjustment status from INS? will INS be suspicious?
4. If an asylee renew their passport, is there any way for INS to check ? like asking a government from one country ?
5. Is speeding ticket or wrong lane turn ticket affect the decision of I-485? or getting the green card?

Anyway I hope anyone can reply ASAP. Thank's
 
1. Most asylee GC approvals are sent without interviews.

2. As long as you have asylum status, and you have applied for AOS, you will not be sent back - as long as you apply for AOS within a reasonable time.
 
Could you elaborate more on that?

hi There;
Thank's for the reply. Can you elaborate more on that? also Anybody else can give opinion or answer on my questions?

Thank's
 
From a practical standpoint, the "indefinite" asylum grants are usually never revoked. The goverment expects everyone to stay - thus the 1-year wait period for AOS. Once you apply for AOS you're pretty much dormant until a decision is made. 99.99% of applications are approved (maybe even 100%) barring any criminal misconduct (you'd have to be on FBI's database with a serious felony for it have a significant role in determining your asylee AOS).

Proving continued fear of persecution is usually not an issue, because most GC's are sent to former asylees w/o an interview.

Renewing your passport shouldn't be a problem. I'd really be hard-pressed to believe they would check with a national embassy for passport renewal! I mean, come on. We're talking about INS here...same INS that issued visas to two of the 9/11 hijackers two months after the attack!
 
What does "in the Attorney General's discretion and under such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe" mean?


Gilbert said:
This comes from the legal code:

"Not more than 10,000 of the refugee admissions authorized under section 207(a) in any fiscal year may be made available by the Attorney General, in the Attorney General's discretion and under such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe, to adjust to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence the status of any alien granted asylum who -


(1) applies for such adjustment,


(2) has been physically present in the United States for at least one year after being granted asylum,


(3) continues to be a refugee within the meaning of section 101(a)(42)(A) or a spouse or child of such a refugee,


(4) is not firmly resettled in any foreign country, and


(5) is admissible (except as otherwise provided undersubsection (c)) as an immigrant under this Act at the time of examination for adjustment of such alien. Upon approval of an application under this subsection, the Attorney General shall establish a record of the alien's admission for lawful permanent residence as of the date one year before the date of the approval of the application.

(c) The provisions of paragraphs (4), (5), and (7)(A) of section 212(a) shall not be applicable to any alien seeking adjustment of status under this section, and the Attorney General may waive any other provision of such section (other than paragraph (2)(C) or subparagraph (A), (B), (C), or (E) of paragraph (3)) with respect to such an alien for humanitarian purposes, to assure family unity, or when it is otherwise in the public interest."

That said, they generally assume that you have continued persecution and do not require any specific proof to that effect. They will of course contact you if they believe your case merit attention on this score. This is likely only for people who use national passports or visit there.
 
jw1951 said:
What does "in the Attorney General's discretion and under such regulations as the Attorney General may prescribe" mean?

You are very observant. What this means is that strictly speaking, no one has a right to adjustment of status as an asylee even if all eligbility rules are satisfied. The green card is conferred as a matter of pleasure by the CIS officer and can be denied for a reason not spelled out in the law. Asylum grants are also discretionary, meaning that it could be denied even if the person has demonstrated full eligibility for asylum.

If you obtained asylum throught a lawyer, look at the brief she filed for you and you will probably find a section stating why you deserved relief "as a matter of discretion."
 
I'm confused. So, basically, what you're saying is that a CIS officer can deny a petition outside of the scope of legislative or administrative guidelines.

So, if the CIS officer determines that someone's blue hair, tatoos, and numerous body piercings demonstrate that he/she no longer fears persecution in their country of origin the AOS application can be arbitrarily denied?

jw1951, notice the conjuctive "and" in the aforementioned grant of discretionary power to the Attorney General. That means, there MUST be a guideline for those implementing Atty. Gen.'s discretionary power, namely, the officers. If there was an "or" instead of "and", it would be a different story.

The grant of GC, or asylum for that matter, is not at CIS officers' "pleasure".
 
The only limit to the exercise of adminstrative discretion is the "capricious or arbitrary" standard outlined by the United States Supreme Court. Feel free to read these cases.

Asylum (and asylum adjustment) has been denied to people for such reasons as bypassing the refugee processing overseas, having ties to a third country, maintaining ties to the original country (to such an extent does not call the persecution story into question but does suggest that the person does not need permanent protection) and so on. The variety is endless. The simple point is no one has a "right" to asylum or asylum adjustment. This is why a competent legal brief addresses the discretionary factors after establishing eligibility issues.


Despondent said:
I'm confused. So, basically, what you're saying is that a CIS officer can deny a petition outside of the scope of legislative or administrative guidelines.

So, if the CIS officer determines that someone's blue hair, tatoos, and numerous body piercings demonstrate that he/she no longer fears persecution in their country of origin the AOS application can be arbitrarily denied?

jw1951, notice the conjuctive "and" in the aforementioned grant of discretionary power to the Attorney General. That means, there MUST be a guideline for those implementing Atty. Gen.'s discretionary power, namely, the officers. If there was an "or" instead of "and", it would be a different story.

The grant of GC, or asylum for that matter, is not at CIS officers' "pleasure".
 
Thank you for clarifying, Gilbert. At "CIS officer's pleasure" infers that a case can be denied for arbitrary reasons.
So, in summary, the statutory language prohibits capricious behavior by reigning in the officers under the Atty Gen., & the Supreme Court cases reaffirm that they are not to act in an unreasonable manner.
What that basically means is that both Congress and the AG are safeguards against administrative powermongering on the implementation level, namely, CIS officers.
And that's why asylees can keep their blue hair, tatoos, and piercings without worry that some CIS officer may deny their AOS...however "pleasurable" that may be to him/her.
 
"Pleasure" has a specific legal meaning in the context I am using it.


Despondent said:
Thank you for clarifying, Gilbert. At "CIS officer's pleasure" infers that a case can be denied for arbitrary reasons.
So, in summary, the statutory language prohibits capricious behavior by reigning in the officers under the Atty Gen., & the Supreme Court cases reaffirm that they are not to act in an unreasonable manner.
What that basically means is that both Congress and the AG are safeguards against administrative powermongering on the implementation level, namely, CIS officers.
And that's why asylees can keep their blue hair, tatoos, and piercings without worry that some CIS officer may deny their AOS...however "pleasurable" that may be to him/her.
 
Marriage after the 485 is filed

My friend came to the US as a derivative asylee (her dad being the primary applicant), and filed I-485 in July 2003. She had her FP done in July 2004. If she gets married to a non-immigrant now, would there be any issues when its time to get her GC?
 
RE:Marriage after the 485 is filed

manishg_in,

If your “friend” gets married it would have a major issue on her adjustment.
She has a derivative asylum status. In order to get her GC she must stay “a child” for as long as it takes.
After she gets married she won’t qualify as a dependent, will lose the derivative status and won’t be eligible to adjust her status to the permanent resident anymore as a derivative.
She should file Nunc-pro-tunc alylum application in order to proceed with GC.
According to Affirmative Asylum Procedures Manual she only has one year after “getting aware of lose of derivative status” (means one year after you two get married) to apply for Nunc-pro-tunc .
It shouldn’t be a problem. She won’t have to prove any fear of prosecutions and her status will be backdated to the date she got her derivative status.
BUT – she cannot include you (the husband) in her Nunc-pro-tunc application or petition I-730, Refugee/Asylee Relative Petition for you. If she wishes to include you in her grant of asylum, she must file a regular principal asylum application (Form I-589) and be interviewed on its merits. If approved, the approval cannot be dated back to the original date of the grant of derivative status.
She would have to start over and file another I-485 after a year of her grant of asylum.
She will file I-730 for you, and, after it gets approved, you’ll get your EAD,
And then, in about another 10 to 14 years – the green card.
If during the interview asylum officer think she has no fear to go back home, or for any other reasons he/she will find her ineligible and deny her application – your wife will face deportation and big $$ to appeal for both of you.

The “follow to join” has nothing to do with asylum applicants and by marrying her now you will not get a green card any time soon. In order to derive benefits from a primary applicant, the relationship (parent/child and husband/wife) must exist BEFORE the application for asylum gets approved.
Sorry, but this is how it works.

Furthermore: the fact your fiancé had her fingerprints taken in July 2004 means nothing. Just a standard procedure before a long-long wait. If she filed I-485 in July 2003 then her turn for the Green Card will be somewhere in Oct. 1, 2013-Sept. 30, 2014 .
Check this out: http://uscis.gov/graphics/fieldoffices/nebraska/asyleeadj.htm

You might have to let her file a Nunc-pro-tunc on her own and wait till she gets her GC and sponsor you. Or you can try your employer. But… I am just a person at the computer, who been waiting for my own GC for too long.
You should definitely talk to the god immigration lawyer about your best option.
Good luck!
 
Peach said:
manishg_in,

If your “friend” gets married it would have a major issue on her adjustment.
She has a derivative asylum status. In order to get her GC she must stay “a child” for as long as it takes.
After she gets married she won’t qualify as a dependent, will lose the derivative status and won’t be eligible to adjust her status to the permanent resident anymore as a derivative.
She should file Nunc-pro-tunc alylum application in order to proceed with GC.
According to Affirmative Asylum Procedures Manual she only has one year after “getting aware of lose of derivative status” (means one year after you two get married) to apply for Nunc-pro-tunc .
It shouldn’t be a problem. She won’t have to prove any fear of prosecutions and her status will be backdated to the date she got her derivative status.
BUT – she cannot include you (the husband) in her Nunc-pro-tunc application or petition I-730, Refugee/Asylee Relative Petition for you. If she wishes to include you in her grant of asylum, she must file a regular principal asylum application (Form I-589) and be interviewed on its merits. If approved, the approval cannot be dated back to the original date of the grant of derivative status.
She would have to start over and file another I-485 after a year of her grant of asylum.
She will file I-730 for you, and, after it gets approved, you’ll get your EAD,
And then, in about another 10 to 14 years – the green card.
If during the interview asylum officer think she has no fear to go back home, or for any other reasons he/she will find her ineligible and deny her application – your wife will face deportation and big $$ to appeal for both of you.

The “follow to join” has nothing to do with asylum applicants and by marrying her now you will not get a green card any time soon. In order to derive benefits from a primary applicant, the relationship (parent/child and husband/wife) must exist BEFORE the application for asylum gets approved.
Sorry, but this is how it works.

Furthermore: the fact your fiancé had her fingerprints taken in July 2004 means nothing. Just a standard procedure before a long-long wait. If she filed I-485 in July 2003 then her turn for the Green Card will be somewhere in Oct. 1, 2013-Sept. 30, 2014 .
Check this out: http://uscis.gov/graphics/fieldoffices/nebraska/asyleeadj.htm

You might have to let her file a Nunc-pro-tunc on her own and wait till she gets her GC and sponsor you. Or you can try your employer. But… I am just a person at the computer, who been waiting for my own GC for too long.
You should definitely talk to the god immigration lawyer about your best option.
Good luck!


I have a question. I know there should be only an initial interview for nunc pro tunc and the applicant don't have to prove a fear of persecution. But u said that INS officer can deny the application and deport the person applying for nunc pro tunc. That's kind of not fair.
 
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