please help with the ref from NSC for the I-140 eb-1 OR

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goodluck05

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My 1-140 was submitted in April 2004 under Outstanding Researcher category. A ref was issued on September 2 after 17 months waiting. The attorney said this is a tough reference. I post the details below and I will appreciate very much if you could give your advice or suggestions to answer this questions.

1. Summit additional evidence which clearly demonstrates that the alien is recognized internationally as outstanding in the specific academic area.

2. Explain the reputation of the organization granting the awards, the significance of the award, and the criteria used to select the recipient.

3. Sumit the evidence of the requirments which must be met for membership.

4. If the evidence includes published material about the alien's work, it must be clearly indicated that the work is significant.

5. Explain the criteria for selection as panelist, reviewer, etc.

6. Submit evidence of the importance of the scientific contributuins to the field. Evidence of those outside the alien;s circle of colleagues and acquaintances consider the work important is especially valuable.

7. Explain the significance of the publications in which they appeared.

8. Submit a copy of a letter addressed to the alien, prior to the I-140 submission date, fromt he university offereing the alien a permanent position in the alien's academic field.

The attorney thinks the #8 is difficult to address. She will contact the university before his dicision of what to to next.

Please comments.

Thanks!
 
Sorry to hear about RFE. Taking positive side they have touched your case and now its upto you to respond and get approval.

My 1-140 was submitted in April 2004 under Outstanding Researcher category. A ref was issued on September 2 after 17 months waiting. The attorney said this is a tough reference. I post the details below and I will appreciate very much if you could give your advice or suggestions to answer this questions.

1. Summit additional evidence which clearly demonstrates that the alien is recognized internationally as outstanding in the specific academic area.

I my opinion, little knowledge about your background will help. BUt this is clearly asking for more refeernce letters which highlights that you are unique in your area (tope 1-2 %).

2. Explain the reputation of the organization granting the awards, the significance of the award, and the criteria used to select the recipient.

If you have award then get letters from awarding authority why they choe you..significance of awards

3. Sumit the evidence of the requirments which must be met for membership.
If you have unique memberships. get letter from authorities asking for memebership letters and significance.

4. If the evidence includes published material about the alien's work, it must be clearly indicated that the work is significant.

5. Explain the criteria for selection as panelist, reviewer, etc.

4 & 5 are clear. If you have papers get letters about its impact from researchres of your area. provide citation impact analysis.

6. Submit evidence of the importance of the scientific contributuins to the field. Evidence of those outside the alien;s circle of colleagues and acquaintances consider the work important is especially valuable.

refernce letters again!

7. Explain the significance of the publications in which they appeared.
CItation will help along with letters


8. Submit a copy of a letter addressed to the alien, prior to the I-140 submission date, fromt he university offereing the alien a permanent position in the alien's academic field.

well its RFE about permanent position ...read AAO decisions from NSCand make sure your offer letters is perfect
tipical format

I am pleased to offer you a position as Research Associate in the Department XX, University of effective as of XXX. We offer you annual salary of XXX which will be paid biweekly from general budget of the department. This position is permanent research position with an expectation of continued employment unless there is good cause for termination.


The attorney thinks the #8 is difficult to address. She will contact the university before his dicision of what to to next.

Please comments.

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PErsonally its simple ... i am sure you will make it!!!
 
Thank you! eb1doc

Thank you for your quick response. I will start to collect more reference letters to support the evidence. But I do not have a letter from the University before April 2004 about the 'perment position'.

I asked the attorney whether I should start to work on the recommendation letters or not, she suggests that wait till she talk to the University council about the 'permanent job' issue. This makes feel bad, unsafe......
 
goodluck05 said:
Thank you for your quick response. I will start to collect more reference letters to support the evidence. But I do not have a letter from the University before April 2004 about the 'perment position'.

I asked the attorney whether I should start to work on the recommendation letters or not, she suggests that wait till she talk to the University council about the 'permanent job' issue. This makes feel bad, unsafe......
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Permanent job issue is serious issue with the NSC.
Well, If you don't have letter ..you can ask letters from Dean, EMployer, Business office & human resource for such letters. Remember the magic word permanent is key for your success on this issue.

I am trying to understand your lawyer! ...well, I guess he wants to play safe but you shd know that you have 2-2.5 month to get all these letters... you should start working from day1. Permanent issue is very relative...

Ideally Posdocs, RAs, Scientist all work and get paid from some grants so they are permanent subjected to various conditions....if your employer agrees and understands all these immigrations issue. they will give you letters!!!
 
goodluck05 said:
My 1-140 was submitted in April 2004 under Outstanding Researcher category. A ref was issued on September 2 after 17 months waiting. The attorney said this is a tough reference. I post the details below and I will appreciate very much if you could give your advice or suggestions to answer this questions.

1. Summit additional evidence which clearly demonstrates that the alien is recognized internationally as outstanding in the specific academic area.

2. Explain the reputation of the organization granting the awards, the significance of the award, and the criteria used to select the recipient.

3. Sumit the evidence of the requirments which must be met for membership.

4. If the evidence includes published material about the alien's work, it must be clearly indicated that the work is significant.

5. Explain the criteria for selection as panelist, reviewer, etc.

6. Submit evidence of the importance of the scientific contributuins to the field. Evidence of those outside the alien;s circle of colleagues and acquaintances consider the work important is especially valuable.

7. Explain the significance of the publications in which they appeared.

8. Submit a copy of a letter addressed to the alien, prior to the I-140 submission date, fromt he university offereing the alien a permanent position in the alien's academic field.

The attorney thinks the #8 is difficult to address. She will contact the university before his dicision of what to to next.

Please comments.

Thanks!
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1) Excellent reference letters from absolute indepenedent top scientists.

2) Had a similar one: Get letters from the award organization that their award is very important and which selection criteria they have. Find out who one this award before and show that it was a significant award in his/her career.

3) Get letters from the organization for the selection critera basd on your achievements.

4) Your papers have to be mentioned in the reference letters as very important. Make lists abotu the citation of your papers.

5) Get letters from the editors that you were selected because of your achievements.

6) reference letters again

7) Get informations about the journals you published the papers from the webpages and the editors, impact factor etc. Should also be mentioned in the reference letters.

8) Get a letters from HR, departments head and your boss that you have a permanent position (not based on any grants which might end soon) and don't use the P-word.
 
letters

Thanks very much, Honkman and eb1doc for your suggestions. I will start collecting letters from the sources as you mentioned.

Anyone else, if you have the similar situation as mine, no matter positive or negative experience, please share.
 
2honkman

Honkman: Do you suggest that a RFE reply without what is requested (i.e., without an offer letter that pre-date I-140 filing), but with several current confirnation letters, will be satisfactory to USCIS?

I am going to file EB1-OR soon and I wonder if I should be proactive on this front (i.e., try to obtain such letter prior to filing).

thanks
/dzxing
 
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Goodluck,

I had similar RFE for international reco, but did not get the one for Permanent. You can check the threads started by me. Take independent Letters outside US which should discuss your work prior to submission of I-140.
Yes, I think your attorney is right..Permanent is a bigger issue you have on hand.

I hope this helps
 
dzxing said:
Honkman: Do you suggest that a RFE reply without what is requested (i.e., without an offer letter that pre-date I-140 filing), but with several current confirnation letters, will be satisfactory to USCIS?

I am going to file EB1-OR soon and I wonder if I should be proactive on this front (i.e., try to obtain such letter prior to filing).

thanks
/dzxing
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Offer letter plays crucial role in explaining the basic requirement of Eb1-OR..like permanent position issue/resource of your salary etc etc....so when INS asks for that you should give them......

but it become a issue ........ if such letter gives them some loophole then you are in trouble like most of the offer letter says that money will come from GRANTS which is bad......

in that case it is good to get letters from Dean, employer, business office, HR office etc stating permanent position, salray reource clearly...
 
Sandy2005

Hello! Sandy2005,
Thanks for your sharing. Your suggestion of getting letters outside US is very helpful. Actually I already submitted several to them. I will try to collect more.
Thanks again!
 
dzxing said:
Honkman: Do you suggest that a RFE reply without what is requested (i.e., without an offer letter that pre-date I-140 filing), but with several current confirnation letters, will be satisfactory to USCIS?

I am going to file EB1-OR soon and I wonder if I should be proactive on this front (i.e., try to obtain such letter prior to filing).

thanks
/dzxing
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With HR I meant an offer letter but I would also collect additional letters beside this.
 
obtain letters

I remember someone posted before regarding how to get letters from the person that you do not know, but I could not find the thread.

How you guys get these letters?
 
goodluck05 said:
My 1-140 was submitted in April 2004 under Outstanding Researcher category. A ref was issued on September 2 after 17 months waiting. The attorney said this is a tough reference. I post the details below and I will appreciate very much if you could give your advice or suggestions to answer this questions.

1. Summit additional evidence which clearly demonstrates that the alien is recognized internationally as outstanding in the specific academic area.

2. Explain the reputation of the organization granting the awards, the significance of the award, and the criteria used to select the recipient.

3. Sumit the evidence of the requirments which must be met for membership.

4. If the evidence includes published material about the alien's work, it must be clearly indicated that the work is significant.

5. Explain the criteria for selection as panelist, reviewer, etc.

6. Submit evidence of the importance of the scientific contributuins to the field. Evidence of those outside the alien;s circle of colleagues and acquaintances consider the work important is especially valuable.

7. Explain the significance of the publications in which they appeared.

8. Submit a copy of a letter addressed to the alien, prior to the I-140 submission date, fromt he university offereing the alien a permanent position in the alien's academic field.

The attorney thinks the #8 is difficult to address. She will contact the university before his dicision of what to to next.

Please comments.

Thanks!
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Sorry about your rfe.
As suggested by others, try to get the documents ASAP..without waiting for ur attorney's response. Any additional letters, citaion report etc would help..also try to provide the journal rank list for your area of research. It depends on what kind of documents you provided with application. For manuscript reviews, you need to get a letter from the editor stating that you were selected to review papers based on your qualification in the field.
Can you post some details about ur qualifications..number of publications..citations..any awards etc?
About the permanent position, I had a RFE and please refer to my earlier posting in the forum:
http://www.immigrationportal.com/showthread.php?t=180294&page=2&pp=15
From whom did you get the offer letter that you submitted initially while filing I-140? As I mentioned in my posting, we did not submit another offer letter but replied to rfe with additional letters and supporting documents about the funding availability and history of funding.
Good luck.
 
eb1doc and toxsci

eb1doc: Thanks again for your great help. The two letter templets are very helpful.

toxsci: My impression about the 'permanent job' issue is not to mention any words like postdoc and the job offer is not related to funding availability. This seems against your suggestion. Any comments?

My background:
M.D. from foreigh country and M.S. from USA
15 publications, 4 first authorship, 20 citaton (from usa, germany, spain, japan...). 17 conference abstracts. Award from home country and one 1.5 million NIH funding award (listed as one of the 3 key pesonnel of the project).

My weakness is I am not a regular reviewer of peer-review journals, only was invited to review for a book by publishing house in home country. I am not sure whether this counts.
 
goodluck05

The "permanent" means that your position has no termination date. More over, your position should not be tied to the project funding that is co-terminus with theproject. Your offer letter from Dean, HR etc should not mention a termination date.

Regarding review, its Ok if you are not a regular reviewer as long as editor of the journal, can state that you were selected to review the paper based on your experise in your area and preferable international reputation. It is better if you can also put in the level of journal that you reviewed. For examples journal XXXX is a leading international journal in the area of XXXXX with an impact factor of XXX for the year 2004.

Again, if you were invited to review for a book by publishing house in your home country, that's fine as long as the publisher is reputed. Probably publisher can state that XXXX copies of the books were sold off to various libraries and institutes world wide.

I hope this helps
 
goodluck05 said:
eb1doc: Thanks again for your great help. The two letter templets are very helpful.

toxsci: My impression about the 'permanent job' issue is not to mention any words like postdoc and the job offer is not related to funding availability. This seems against your suggestion. Any comments?
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In my opinion, one should not mention the word 'postdoc position' as a designated offer. As far as funding, if you can get an offer letter without mentioning the funding agency, that is great. In my reply to RFE on permanent position we did mention that 'the candidate is not merely filling a postdoc position, but his research associate position is supported by funding from various state and federal agencies' and we provided additional document to show the pattern of funding (current and past) to my boss.
Hope it helps.
Good luck!
 
Pay attention to citations

I think you sould also pay attention to about 20 citaitons for 15 publicaitons. You can explain it in support letters that your research area is new, or the papers were just published etc.

By the way, you can ask letters from the editor assit that the journals are internationally-distributed, and how often, how many copies they are printed.

Good luck,
 
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