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NIW/questions about citations
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puma2012 said:I have 8 papers published on foreigh journals. and two papers published on the international top journals, however, the two papers were just published this year. So there is no citations at all. How can I present my case to USCIS about the citations?
thanks
Puma
By getting very strong letters from independent scientist saying that your results are extremely good and that those results will influence there own work. Otherwise there is not much else you can do about the citations.
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Be careful
The goal of NIW and EA petitions is to prove that you are contributing to major scientific discovery AT THE PRESENT TIME. They don't want to hear about your potential, about future impact of your work on others' research, about how you'll be among the top scientists in the future. They want to hear that you are already a major scientist, that your work is widely used and regarded, that you've already reached the top of the your profession.
Of course, only a few of us really, truly qualify for these kinds of benchmarks. However, the point is to present your case in terms of what you're CURRENTLY worth, not what you'll be worth five, ten years from now.
Not having any citations to your work is a sure red flag; unless you're doing cutting edge research and can prove your research's ready impact on others, I will personally wait till I get a few citations before I file.
GOOD LUCK!
(I'm not a lawyer; take the above with a grain of salt.)
The goal of NIW and EA petitions is to prove that you are contributing to major scientific discovery AT THE PRESENT TIME. They don't want to hear about your potential, about future impact of your work on others' research, about how you'll be among the top scientists in the future. They want to hear that you are already a major scientist, that your work is widely used and regarded, that you've already reached the top of the your profession.
Of course, only a few of us really, truly qualify for these kinds of benchmarks. However, the point is to present your case in terms of what you're CURRENTLY worth, not what you'll be worth five, ten years from now.
Not having any citations to your work is a sure red flag; unless you're doing cutting edge research and can prove your research's ready impact on others, I will personally wait till I get a few citations before I file.
GOOD LUCK!
(I'm not a lawyer; take the above with a grain of salt.)
tampaboy said:The goal of NIW and EA petitions is to prove that you are contributing to major scientific discovery AT THE PRESENT TIME. They don't want to hear about your potential, about future impact of your work on others' research, about how you'll be among the top scientists in the future. They want to hear that you are already a major scientist, that your work is widely used and regarded, that you've already reached the top of the your profession.
I strongly disagree with that point by my own experience. If you can show with strong letters from top scientists that you influence their research with your results you will even have a much stronger case than with just citations. Publishing results and influencing other scientists research has nothing to do with future impact of somebodies work but shows that you are already a major player in your field.
Don't get me wrong
I agree with honkman's most recent statement-- I was merely commenting on the phrase (in future tense) "those results will influence there (sic) own work" ... This phrase suggests FUTURE impact, not current influence. Anything CURRENT anyone can say about the high quality of one's work is surely helpful.
Letters from top scientists, as testimony of the current value of one's work, are surely essential to a successful petition. On the other hand, citations are another (complementary) measure of one's broader influence in the complex network of research. One who has brilliant letters from scientists, but no citations to speak about, will strike an adjudicator as odd, to say the least.
honkman said:By getting very strong letters from independent scientist saying that your results are extremely good and that those results will influence there own work. Otherwise there is not much else you can do about the citations.
I agree with honkman's most recent statement-- I was merely commenting on the phrase (in future tense) "those results will influence there (sic) own work" ... This phrase suggests FUTURE impact, not current influence. Anything CURRENT anyone can say about the high quality of one's work is surely helpful.
Letters from top scientists, as testimony of the current value of one's work, are surely essential to a successful petition. On the other hand, citations are another (complementary) measure of one's broader influence in the complex network of research. One who has brilliant letters from scientists, but no citations to speak about, will strike an adjudicator as odd, to say the least.
If you do not have citations, then there's no question of presenting a case on this.. Only other alternative is to get letters from independent researchers who can say that they have benefitted from your research, describing in detail how they benefitted. For example they can state that they are using your recent results in their research work/ project which will be submitted/ published say within next 6 months. However, it won't fly through. Best thing sometime is to get letters from citing authors..they are independent and they have used your work to foster their research.