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I am sure; hold on! hold on! let me rephrase that "I think" we are all legal here in the U.S. and are concerned about the existing delays in getting the N400 applications processed.

Well lets step back and think about the situation when 12 million illegal immigrants who get amnesty joins the immigration processing stack (not que).

The existing resources (both man and machine) at neither the USCIS nor the FBI will be sufficient to make the process any faster !

So relax and dont get any hopes too high ....
 
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Well, hopefully, they will not reallocate personnel from the N-400 units to process the I-130s (& I-140s) and I-485s, that the current illegals would be filing...however, in about 3-5 years, the N-400s WILL be backed up when all those people apply for citizenship.
 
Personally, I can't believe that a bunch of people who went this high in politics can be SO stupid to think that the current system can handle 12 million additional applications just fine. Of course they probably go by what the USCIS tells them and the USCIS blatanly lies when they say that the current system can handle it (even though a few months before that they said they couldn't handle something like this). I'm almost certain that Senate and Congress have NO plan on how to implement their immigration initiative and this is gonna be just another big... let me choose a word here... um.... screw up... ok, I'll go with "screw up".

This is gonna be a HUGE mess, just like a lot of other things they've done in the past several years.
 
JoeF said:
Nothing is decided, and before we know if this will be a huge mess we actually have to know what the final law says...
The bills are in their very early stages at this point, and it is going to take a long time until anything comes out of the process, and at the end, there often is something completely different from the original bills.
Speculating what "may be" is an excercise in futility at this point.
And as always, I suggest keeping a clear head.
It is not surprising that this thread was started by somebody who has an axe to grind and who made his case worse by being hot-headed...
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Don't get me wrong, I understand all those things. However, also I didn't think it would even go as far as it went.

I think no matter what the final bill looks like, at the end, it will be an additional burden for the USCIS in one way or another. It's not like they will start with the "guest worker" program and at the end the bill will would just say "oh, you bad bad boy, don't you know it is not nice to break the law? Go stand in the corner and we'll talk about it tomorrow morning". Whether it's gonna be extra 12 million cases of paperwork or just a million cases, the USCIS is failing miserably at what it has right now, do they really need more? The first step will have to be fixing the existing system, there is no way around it. If that's what Cogress and Senate have in mind, more power to them. Anything other than that would create a huge mess.
 
Clear Head

If you heard the President of the U.S. speak in his address, he CLEARLY mentioned NOT, I repeat NOT to play on the fears, or pit one neighbor against another.

I am sure the President has intelligence information that such things are happening and thats why he mentioned that as warning to THUGS.
 
Being a (legal) immigrant and a US citizen in a few days I for my part can understand the difficult situation of many hardworking undocumented persons who live without rights and protection in the United States ... anyone of you have been in a Fish-, Chicken- or Meatpacking plant and think that there is a picknick where you see a bunch of highschool grads enjoy a professional 'career' ? You should know that these workers are not looking for 'the easy way' - otherwise why they would not be here? Imagine YOUR life when you could say 'Great, I make $3 or $4 an hour !!!'.
So don't worry, what is being discussed is alot of politics and nobody is about to steal the butter from your bread or your place in line. The undocumented workers will not get a general amnesty but finally the politicians feel pressured to work on / think about a solution for the second class workers in the U.S.
If the U.S would want to clamp down and get the 11 Mio out, they could do so in a heartbeat ... but we don't want that either, do we ?

Alex
 
N400, Church vs. State

When a family applies for US Citizenship their applications should be processed together.

However, current U.S. Citizenship applications are processed at the WHIMS and FANCIES of the agencies doing the job.

During wedding cermonies, the church advices the couple to stick together until "DEATH DO US PART". But the folks working at the agencies processing U.S. Citizenship applications are NOT RESPECTING the WISH of the couples or the church.

So is the intension of splitting up applicants within the same family into TWO different NATIONALITIES to encourage marital disharmony? Which threatens the lives of young innocent children?

I am sure religious institutions need to get involved into this mess? Also child welfare agencies need to get involved in this process inorder to avoid unforseen burdens to society in the form of additional taxes from rehabilitation and dependence on drugs for youngsters growing in dismembered families.
 
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Take a cold shower man, you seem be a very bitter person. Do you get up happy in the morning or grumpy?

No one has the time in the world to be plotting and scheming against any one. USCIS has mentioned that they are processing applications separately so that if a spouse is stuck for delays (such as background check) then the other partner's processing need not be held up. I think what they are doing is in the interest of the applicants. Grow up and start seeing the goodness in life and you will be a happy person.

My 2 c worth after reading your numerous postings.

n400application said:
When a family applies for US Citizenship their applications should be processed together.

However, current U.S. Citizenship applications are processed at the WHIMS and FANCIES of the agencies doing the job.

During wedding cermonies, the church advices the couple to stick together until "DEATH DO US PART". But the folks working at the agencies processing U.S. Citizenship applications are NOT RESPECTING the WISH of the couples or the church.

So is the intension of splitting up applicants within the same family into TWO different NATIONALITIES to encourage marital disharmony? Which threatens the lives of young innocent children?

I am sure religious institutions need to get involved into this mess? Also child welfare agencies need to get involved in this process inorder to avoid unforseen burdens to society in the form of additional taxes from rehabilitation and dependence on drugs for youngsters growing in dismembered families.
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n400application said:
When a family applies for US Citizenship their applications should be processed together.

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CIS put out a memo that said if you want your applications procesed together, you need to specify that. Otherwise they will be processed separately, so that one is not delayed due to issues with thte other. That memo was publicized on various immigration boards. I agree that it is probably to make the process more efficient for CIS. However, I really don't think on the whole, that CIS has the best interests of the applicants at heart! One would have to have a naive outlook on things to believe that...

I understand your frustration with CIS. I underwent delays for no apparent reason too. Even now, I am having to wait 'cause they scheduled the oath ceremony three months from my interview date! But that's better than nothing, I suppose...I count my blessings there...
 
brb2

brb2,
Denial is the same as fighting your own conscious. Keep an open mind and try to understand the facts going on around you, especially when someone is trying to explain their situation to you.

By the way I wake up happy. But when I watch injustice I surely will wonder why would someone turn grumpy and takes it out on someone else.

A permanant resident has to live in the US for a FULL 5 years before applying for a U.S. Citizenship. So are you telling me that 5 consecutive years of residence by a permanent resident if monitored by law enforcement agencies and has proved to be a good, a mere name check which can be done by a super-computer in 2 seconds at the most is going to prove that citizen otherwise?

We are living in this world. If you were to look down to the earth from the sky when in flight anyone can tell that humans are NOTHING on this earth compared to the size and expanse of this UNIVERSE.

We need to trust each other more. NOT SUSPECT everyone you see in this life.

If YOU start suspecting everyone in this life, this world cannot live in peace for long.

I think 5 years of continuous stay here in the U.S. by a permanent resident is ample time for USCIS to gauge the quality and integrity of a person.

A machine is just a machine.
 
N400,

Actually I am thankfull that we have the opportunity to receive citizenship after ONLY five (or three) years as permanent resident. In my mind it is the right and the obligation of a country that accepts a new citizen to make sure that this person conforms to certain standards and is not an obvious greater danger after becoming citizen. The process is not perfect, especially when you hear about the poor guys who got stuck for some reason .... however, would you expect the process to be perfect ? And who is stepping up here with a comprehensive and secure alternative ? Do you think the tax system is 'just' and 'perfect' ? So, even as a citizen you are stuck with systems that may appear 'out of focus' ... depending on your point of view.

Alex
 
n400application said:
brb2,
, a mere name check which can be done by a super-computer in 2 seconds at the most is going to prove that citizen otherwise?
A machine is just a machine.
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Actually, it is not the supercomputer that is doing the name check...it is humans typing your information into that computer, which just processes the data given to it... The FBI does that, I believe and they don't put enough people on that job. At least not at the level where they have to double check if there is a "match". If you have a "common" name, there is greater likelihood of a hit. If there is no hit, the name check is usually quick.
 
OcWorker

If you think your RELATIONSHIP is so strong, then you should not get married. I mean put it in writing on a piece of paper.

Why did you put it on an agreement on a piece of paper?

I am not sure how it works in Taiwan, but here in the US you need to have the marriage registered.

That marriage certificate is used in order to establish relationship. So I dont understand what April Fools day has to do in a discussion involving the relationship between two individuals?

Moreover using "CURSES" does not ADD VALUE to your argument. I am NOT SURE how it is in your environment, but in my world "CURSES" imply insecurity (weakness) in an individual. So try to be more civil with your arguments.

I know its the weekend, maybe its all that BEER. If it is the BEER I retract my admonition.
 
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Superhero

I understand what you stated, well my contention is that when we have the most advanced machines in the world and today even machines to match DNA's why does the FBI or CIS live in the PRIMITIVE WORLD of name checks.

Name Checks seems very ARCHAIC as it sounds for a technologically superior country like the US. Maybe you can comment on that.

Coming to the point of humans involved in the name check at the FBI. That was precisely my point. We have to rely on humans and trust when using PRIMITIVE methods for monitoring, tracking, & tracing.

Is this primitive system foolproof? If it is NOT then why do we keep using it? When I say "If it is NOT" I mean we have to spend tremendous human effort to CHECK and RECHECK the same thing humans have done, over and over again.

NASA sends man to space and their command systems are the worlds most superior and NO CONTEST. Do we need more complex technology than what NASA has to conduct PRIMITIVE name checks? "When I say technology I am refering to ALGORITHMs."
 
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80-90% Taxes

If we have to pay 80-90% of our income to keep our homes safe & thus the US safe, I will pay. What is point in living with never ending threats and fear each day.

When I mentioned "we" I mean every working American and Permanent Resident here in the US. I am sure I will be hated for saying this, but you can be sure when you go to bed at night you can have a peaceful sleep unlike in some countries where THUGS roam the streets at night waiting for an opportunity to make a buck or destroy a family.

If there is another place as safe as the US on this earth, I will prepare to move there and avoid paying 80-90% taxes here.

Here is my answer. How many here on this BLOG category "US Citizenship" is ready to follow suit for the security of your home?
 
Govt. Snooping

The govt. snooping when necessary is a good thing to apprehend criminals. I will fully support govt. supporting snooping on citizens as long as there is safety.

When you became a Citizen of the US you are bound by the laws and rules of the government.

So if snooping is what it takes to keep crime out then let it be. I have nothing to hide.

If you have something to hide maybe you should load your house with its contents on a truck, post a sign "Oversize HIDDEN Load" behind it and head for Canada or any other country that will accept you and your oversized house.

As far as taking care of yourself, you can have that freedom when you have your own country. But for the time being you have to follow the rules of the country you live in.
 
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n400application said:
I understand what you stated, well my contention is that when we have the most advanced machines in the world and today even machines to match DNA's why does the FBI or CIS live in the PRIMITIVE WORLD of name checks.

Name Checks seems very ARCHAIC as it sounds for a technologically superior country like the US. Maybe you can comment on that.

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The reason is simple: funding. CIS is not given funds by congress to do what it absolutely has to do. Their contention is that we, the applicants should pay. Well, you see it every year when they raise fees, but not level of service. The CIS is probably one of the most underfunded agencies, because it provides no direct benefit to the country in and of itself. Whether we like that or not, it is reality.

As far as why name checks? Well they do fingerprinting too. What else can they do besides that? The only other identifier they have is a person's name. Of course, if they came up with a system of online filing, then the data entry work would already be done by the applicants and they would simply have to run the matching program. However, again, it comes down to funding. I don't know how long you have been in the US, but I remember reading about this years ago about how the INS, back in the day, had obsolete computers. Even colleges had more advanced computers than them.
 
Laws & Security

When the war of independence was fought the BORDERs were secured first. To secure MEANS having ample force and people with a single mind fighting for the SAME cause of FREEDOM.

The unwritten laws which held together that SINGLE mind of so many to fight for the SAME cause became the so called CONSTITUTION. The laws you see today EVOLVED from the CONSTITUTION. So my advice is to protect your country and then talk of LAWS. Laws will not protect the country, ONLY its people.

If I jump off a cliff and not tell anyone why I did it, everyone including the MEDIA will have their own version of the story. Some stories will be more convincing than the rest. But the none of these TALE BEARERS will EVER reveal in their story that the published story is a fairy tale. Well the idea is to stimulate the senses of the reader like a story book and make that extra penny from circulation.

Therefore, like an ILL story talking ILL about your PRESIDENT or the PRESENT LEGALLY ELECTED government (is NOT some government) is another way to STAB your own country in the BACK. Well I am NOT sure how many of you will STAB your own family (wife and children) in the back and support a criminal who inflicted harm to your own flesh & blood.

I am no preacher, but LEARN to respect what you have and ENCOURAGE your leaders with CONSTRUCTIVE ideas to improve the life and pride of the United States. If you dig up holes in your own security fence you are exposing yourself to danger as well as others. Dont forget your "OVERSIZED HIDDEN LOAD" on the truck could be stolen on the highway. So there goes everything you have been trying hard to HIDE.

Or may I suggest to those who dont like what is happening in the country today nominate yourself for the next President of the US and form your government which you like. If people like your views they will support it and elect you. So there you have your FREEDOM to prove your REAL WORTH.

As for me whichever ELECTED govenment comes to power under the U.S. constitution I will support it.

My childhood never taught me to STAB those who partner with me. Remember, your government is your PARTNER.

I am not sure what your background or upbringing is, so maybe you should visit and see who may have not given you the right ideas as a child and correct those deficiencies, then help yourself to a better life here in the U.S.

Also when any person leaves the earth behind the body of that person undergoes a procedure call POST MORTEM. Well, POST MORTEM is conducted in the NUDE. I mean every part of your body is exposed to the physician who conducts the POST MORTEM.

So now tell me what is it that you are trying to HIDE and for HOW LONG?

Even the great KING TUT has been EXPOSED.

As for my IDENTITY, its best to keep it anonymous for the time being. When the time is right and I get a feeling that there is an improvement in the view of subscribers here about the government and its procedures I will sign off. Think of me like the DEBT CLOCK. When the economy picked up it was TURNED OFF. Now it is ON again. Similarly when things are BAD I will return once I have signed off. But for now I am ON.

No one has lost any FREEDOM here in the US today.

FREEDOM is a state of mind.
 
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If your ideas are really worth it, and the people of the US support it, whether you are a NATURALIZED or Citizen by Birth the laws will be amended to have a GENIUS LIKE YOU as president.

The first thing you need to do is to prove you are a GENIUS.

As far as where I came from as I said in my earlier post its best not to reveal for NOW.
 
Reading is one thing, Experiencing it is another. Maybe you should travel a bit and live in different countries like I did and educate you senses.

But running away from a Totalitarian Regime DIRECTLY to the US has only exposed you to 2 EXTREMEs of government. Accusing me of being Totaliarian is merely IGNORANCE when weighed on my scale of exposure and experience.

If we ever happened to meet you will hit the roof and be sorry for what you have been accusing me.

Like they say "IGNORANCE is BLISS".
 
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