MPH and Residency

SamSingh

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Hi,
I got admission to MPH - and have already cleared USMLE STEP1, 2 and CSA. I hope to clear STEP 3 soon and apply for residency position next year.
Will my Masters in Public Health prevent me from getting an H1 for residency?
Has anyone been rejected H1 because he/she held a masters degree in Public Health?
 
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Hi,
On another forum - called USMLE Forum, someone reported that s/he was denied an H1B due the fact that s/he was pursuing a Master\'s degree in Public Health at the time.
Someone also quoted a new policy of INS according to which Foreign Med Graduates who came to US to do MPH on F1/J1 Visa, should not be granted H1 for doing residency.

However, I could not verify this from any other source - like INS web site, Immigration Attorney Web Sites etc.
But this makes me worried as hell - as this year in the matching - I refused to accept J1 for residency - and decided to take STEP 3, and do MPH from Harvard, in the hope that I can get H1 in the next match.

Thanks,
SamS
 
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Hi Sam,

Thanks for replying. My brother is planning to come here for M. PH. and take USMLE in US. After that, he will apply for Residency.

A US university official (that was in India to get students for their univ.) mentioned that INS does deny H1B for people pursuing M. PH. We are not very sure if he was telling the truth Or wanted to know my brother\'s intention of finishing M. PH.

We are planning to consult with an Attorney. Do you know any good attorney dealing in these cases?

SriChand
 
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THERE IS INDEED A PROBLEM FOR MPH FMG\'s
THIS IS FOR THE INFORMATION OF ALL NOW ON THE MPH COURSE.
IT SEEMS THAT THERE IS A PROBLEM FOR ALL TAKING THE MPH TO DO THEIR RESIDENCIES. THIS IS ONLY A PASSED ON INFORMATION. PLEASE VERIFY.>

>Date: 27 Feb 2001 00:51:25 EST
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> > > New visa norms for health professionals
> > > (Feb 5) The United States has formulated new norms for foreign health professionals in the US.An outline of the new US
> policy in this regard was given to the Committee on Health,Education,Labor and Pensions of the Senate by Dr David Satcher,
> Assistant Secretary of Health and United States Surgeon General, while replying to questions on the sharp rise in demand for
>>public health specialists.Replying to a question posed by Republican Senator from Maine Susan Collins,Dr Satcher stated that
>> there would be openings in the region of 25,000 jobs in Epidemiology,Biostatistics,Community Health Practice,and Disease
> > Control by the year 2002.In order to fill these essential positions ,the then Secretary of Health and Human Services Dr Donna
>> Shalala, had asked the State Department to relax the tight immigration controls that exist for the entry of international medical
>>graduates into the US,so that IMGs could be trained in public health.In the year 1999-00 nearly 3,200 IMGs were allowed entry
>> into the US to undergo Such training. Missouri Republican Chris Bond said that the American Medical Association had
>> expressed to him their fear that these IMGs would drop their public health training and seek hospital residency positions thus
>making an already crowded job market even tighter.In response Mary Ryan ,Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs told
>the committee that all consular officers in US embassies world wide had been instructed not to grant either H or J visas to IMGs
>> undergoing training or trained in public health unless the circumstances were exceptional."It would be a form of fraud if you
> say that you will study for a master\'s degree or a doctorate in public health and soon thereafter enter a clinical program
>>unconnected with your area of study(public health or healthcare or hospital management) and this we will not tolerate" she
>>said.The Surgeon General also said that in areas like family health,biometry,aging, population genetics, epidemiology and in
>>disease control where man-power shortages were crippling internationally qualified citizens would have no problems in securing
> > > temporary work permits in the J category if they met US Labor Department criteria.However in areas like Health Services
> Management and Health Policy where there were no labor shortages the Labor Department had been notified that eligibility for
>H1B visas should not be granted and the State Department had also agreed that J1 Exchange Visitor status would not be granted
>>by it\'s consular offices outside the US."Our responsibility towards students in these subjects is limited only to providing them
>with an excellent education in our schools and certainly does not include employment in the US.These students should return to
>>their native countries after they finish their course of study here" he said.He also said that the new Secretary of Health and
>>Human Services Tommy Thomson and Secretary of State Colin Powell agreed fully with this policy. The committee was chaired
>by it\'s ranking Republican ,Vermont\'s James Jeffords.However ranking minority leader Edward Kennedy was not present during the
>>nearly three-hour discussion by the committee on employment in public health.
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Both MPH and PhD FMG\'s are in trouble.
I would like to share with you all an important information enclosed below. This was forwarded to me by my colleauges doing MPH now. Please verify the same. It seems that the law hasn\'t been passed yet but this definitely necessitates the need to be more wary of such situations. Note that though this does not state many problems to people in PhD courses, PhD students all over the States are growing increasingly disquieted. I suggest that SamSingh and whoever is already in the MPH program now to hurry and get into residency immediately before inconveniences interpose.

Date 27 Feb 2001 005125 EST
New visa norms for health professionals
(Feb 5) The United States has formulated new norms for foreign health professionals in the US.An outline of the new US policy in this regard was given to the Committee on Health,Education,Labor and Pensions of the Senate by Dr David Satcher, Assistant Secretary of Health and United States Surgeon General, while replying to questions on the sharp rise in demand for public health specialists.Replying to a question posed by Republican Senator from Maine Susan Collins,Dr Satcher stated that there would be openings in the region of 25,000 jobs in Epidemiology,Biostatistics,Community Health Practice,and Disease Control by the year 2002.In order to fill these essential positions ,the then Secretary of Health and Human Services Dr Donna Shalala, had asked the State Department to relax the tight immigration controls that exist for the entry of international medical graduates into the US,so that IMGs could be trained in public health.In the year 1999-00 nearly 3,200 IMGs were allowed entry into the US to undergo Such training. Missouri Republican Chris Bond said that the American Medical Association had expressed to him their fear that these IMGs would drop their public health training and seek hospital residency positions thus making an already crowded job market even tighter.In response Mary Ryan ,Assistant Secretary of State for Consular Affairs told the committee that all consular officers in US embassies world wide had been instructed not to grant either H or J visas to IMGs undergoing training or trained in public health unless the circumstances were exceptional."It would be a form of fraud if you say that you will study for a master\'s degree or a doctorate in public health and soon thereafter enter a clinical program unconnected with your area of study(public health or healthcare or hospital management) and this we will not tolerate" she said.The Surgeon General also said that in areas like family health,biometry,aging, population genetics, epidemiology and in disease control where man-power shortages were crippling internationally qualified citizens would have no problems in securing temporary work permits in the J category if they met US Labor Department criteria.However in areas like Health Services Management and Health Policy where there were no labor shortages the Labor Department had been notified that eligibility for H1B visas should not be granted and the State Department had also agreed that J1 Exchange Visitor status would not be granted by it\'s consular offices outside the US."Our responsibility towards students in these subjects is limited only to providing them with an excellent education in our schools and certainly does not include employment in the US.These students should return to their native countries after they finish their course of study here" he said.He also said that the new Secretary of Health and Human Services Tommy Thomson and Secretary of State Colin Powell agreed fully with this policy. The committee was chaired by it\'s ranking Republican ,Vermont\'s James Jeffords.However ranking minority leader Edward Kennedy was not present during the nearly three-hour discussion by the committee on employment in public health.
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I have heard similar news too. I dont think the law has been passed yet. I suggest that you hurry and enter residency as soon as possible. Going around with your MPH now will wreck your chances for getting into residency
 
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I fear it may be true.
There was this letter that was passed on to my batchmates regarding the same issue. However we have no idea if the matter is infact going to go into law. There is the issue of human rights violation but I think matters might turn out to be unfavorable for MPH and allied going students. Is there anyone who can ratify this information somehow?
 
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this news is shocking.
There are many people there in the US under the MPH program planning to move into residency right.. what will they all do?
 
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I suggest they just stay in the field they have chosen, and do not take the positions (residency) for people who don\'t want to have anything to do with Public Health. If the MPH have already found a niche to come to USA why would they take away other peoples chance to do so? If they don\'t like Public Health why did they start that educational process on the first place?
 
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Well, Assia Valovska, the main reason they take the MPH program is to get to the US. U see Assia, there is no way for a doctor to go to the US because the embassy rejects visas for doctors. But u see, there is this one way now.. that one can go in for the MPH program and then later on shift to their residency when they have cleared the USMLE.. Unfortunately the government has discovered this too.. So people are getting frustrated, both doctors there already in MPH and people planning to leave via MPH are getting worried.
 
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I agree.
If you cannot move on to residency then stick on to MPH and continue in it. You should not change. I think it is money earning enough, aint I right?
 
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I am doing my MPH in Kentucky Univ. I have enquired with my student counsellor and she has told me that to get that matter passed into law will take more than a year and even if the same happens, one could go in for legal proceedings based on human rights violation. So relax FMG\'s. We have a huge group here both in MPH and PhD\'s to support us.
 
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I took the MPH and I cleared the USMLE I, II, III and CSA by Sept\' 2000. I had no problems. I joined the MPH in \'98 and got over it in Jan last year. Following my residency admission into Henry Ford hospital in Detroit, Michigan , I applied for a change of visa from F-1 to H-1 in Dec\' 2000 and the INS cleared my H-1 after a wait of four months. Though my attorney said that there were risks following new policies for FMG\'s in MPH, I guess I was lucky to be spared. I dont know if it is that major an issue. Good luck.
 
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My friends here in the US have said that it was possible for all my friends in India to come here. I dont think it is that serious a problem.
 
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