MMR Question: Hey Guys, I have a quesition

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gheewalabhai888

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regarding medical forms. My spouse's fprm had some contradictions boxes checked for MMR. But on both forms 'immunization met'(or complete or whatever) was checked. Could that trigger retaking of the MMR? Any experience?
 
Contraindication

Myself and my wife also got it too for one of the required vaccinations; don't remember which one.

Logically that should not trigger the retaking of the vaccination.
Contraindication means a severe (or unwanted) reactions may occur if certain treatment/medication is given.

Consider this :
If the doctor already indicated that your body will yield a severe reaction to the vaccine and BCIS still foolishly forces you to take it and later you become seriously ill or (even dead) after taking the vaccinations then BCIS could be sunk by a big big big fuckin' lawsuit !

;)
 
It is regarding MMR

during or possible(uncertain) pregnancy they don't recommend taking MMR. On the forms (both) the doc has not mentioned any reason why it is contradicted. But has checked complete on both
main check required boxes.
Was RFE generated in your case?
 
MMR

I checked back my medical results and we both were vaccinated for MMR but 'contraindicated' for Varicella.

I filed in April 2002 and I don't think our files have even been looked at so no RFE.
 
Even though we asked for a pregnancy related waiver (based on US Dept of Health guidelines for BCIS) for my wife, BCIS has issued 2 RFEs asking her to complete vaccinations. The fools did not even bother checking the EDD for the baby and issued RFEs during the pregnancy. We responded to the last one asking for a new RFE (Mar 27, 2003) and they have been quiet ever since.
 
waiting_0102, Did you ask for a new RFE?

Why did you do that? And what is EDD?

I wonder what happens if there is another pregnancy during the RFE? So the file is delayed for another 9 -10 months?
This is ridiculous. That can very well happen with INS.
Since you have been swung in a pendulum, you may be able to share some possible ways as to what can be done, using the US Dept of Health's instruction to INS, if RFE is sent during second pregnancy.

Thanks.
 
Ghee,

Here's my timeline:

Sep 01: I-485 Medical tests. We are trying for pregnancy, on the date of exam it cannot be medicaly determined whether wife is pregnant or not, so tests cannot be completed for her or myself. Doctor notes this on medical exam form.

Dec 02: RFE #1 asking for completion of medical tests. Verbiage is like "Complete medical tests when not pregnant...". Wife is pregnant with EDD (expected delivery date) of May 2003 so we ask for waiver based on USDH's guidelines. Wife is CLEARLY eligible for waivers. We send in a note from the civil surgeon and wife's gynecologist. My medical tests are completed.

Feb 02: RFE #2, photocopy of RFE #1! We have to respond before May. We don't know what to do, so it takes a while to figure out a strategy. Just to be sure, we send in my medical reports again. For wife's case we tell BCIS that it's impossible to complete medical tests before May and we need more time. Since they are not allowed to extended the response time for an RFE, they have to issue us a new one or grant waivers.

May 03: My EAD is extended.

Jun 03: Wife applies for AP extension. Company applies for my AP extension.

Aug 03: Fingerprints expire. No news from BCIS. Wife's AP extended. My AP being processed (I hope!).

I have no idea what's stopping them from adjudicating my case. Anyway, we don't want to push the issue at this time since after consultation with our pediatrician we found out that with a newborn the longer my wife can wait before taking the varicella (live attenuated vaccine with risk of transmission) shot the better it is.

> I wonder what happens if there is another pregnancy during the RFE?
The wait time is a minimum 15-16 months. 9-10 months for the birth and then 6 months before it is safe to take shots with minimum risk of transmission. YES this is ridiculous! So much is "grey" in this area that it's purely up to the adjudicator. Don't think the BCIS cares about USDH's guidelines. Don't know why they even have waivers. If a medical waiver is not granted, others (moral objection - huh!) have NO chance of being granted.

There needs to be CLEAR instructions from the BCIS on this matter. What I would recommend is granting a conditional green card and allowing 2-3 years for removal of conditions. :) Without that, it's purely up to you to argue your case.

Waiting...
 
Thanks for your detail reply.

My case is very similar to yours except the doctor has not mentioned why those contradictions were checked at all.

Everything else looks filled out ok. Both green(blue) copy and
white supplement. Still crazy and lazy IIO can see this and start a query. All shit goes around BCIS.

What do you think about this scenario when no explanation is provided?

Thanks again,
-Ghee
 
waiting_0102

Yours is quite a story. I can only imagine the stress you must have gone through during the pregnancy and after the delivery due to this BCIS shit. I guess they expect us not to make any permanent plans(starting a family for example) since we are temporary workers and will remain so until the permanent residency is granted. They must think the temporary people have no right for any permanent plans and make every move of their life dependent on the adjudicator's mercy.

This whole thing is starting to look like a big joke to me and surprisingly its not troubling me anymore. Treatment towards immigrants is changing for the worse by the day and as much as I like to live in this country PERMANENTLY, I am glad that I atleast have a place to go back to, if necessary.

Sorry I know this post is not going to help you in anyway but I just had to vent out. I wish you and your family all the good luck.

cmr
 
hi CMR,
U r not alone here. I know a lot people(including me) also infact of the same opinion. in this market may be that might be a good career move for all u know.
-DJ
RD JAN 03,2002
ND JAN 08,2002
FP OCT 24,2002
AD ?
No RFE so far
 
"Even though we asked for a pregnancy related waiver (based on US Dept of Health guidelines for BCIS) for my wife, BCIS has issued 2 RFEs asking her to complete vaccinations."

INS adjudicator to Waiting_01_02: Hey, what does it matter if an immigrant infant gets a little chicken pox when they are getting the chance to acquire a green card! You should be glad that we are not asking for an arm and a leg! Don't everybody in the third world get chicken pox anyway?
 
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MMR during that time

can result much worse than chicken pox. They must not be kidding about it. But again BCIS is full of shits. They have this double standard regarding these aliens.
 
Ghee, based on my case it doesn't matter whether any explanation is provided or not. They are NOT going to grant you any waiver and will keep issuing RFEs until such a time when all the tests are completed. As other members of this forum have rightly pointed out, BCIS doen't care about you or your unborn child as we have sadly found out.

cmr, thanks for your message. We didn't want to delay our plans to start a family because of BCIS $#it and we have a beautiful daughter right now and will never regret anything we did. If we can stay in this country that's fine, if not that's fine too. I'm in this country by choice and will never bend over to accomodate idiotic rules. This is irrelevant info but I have other citizenships that will allow me to live anywhere in the EU and the Indian subcontinent, so there 's lot of open options if ever needed.

Sankrityayan, I got chicken pox after I came here. Didn't get it in the years that I spent in the third world and elsewhere! So, the (stupid) BCIS adjudicator had the wrong assumption to begin with. Logical error, but then what is logic?! :) :)
 
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