ISN Legislative Lobbying Efforts for Email to Legislators

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ISN Legislative Lobbying Efforts for Email to Legislators

Mails Sent to: Total Count
Emails to President 1815
Emails to Senate Immigration Subcommitee 2685
Emails to House Immigration Subcommitee 1686
Emails to Semators 12348
Emails to Congress Members 5393



Eventhough we don't have statistics, I'm sure that we would not have reached even 10% of this effort.


If you want our legislators to listen to our problems then FAX our petition to your local Congressional office today.

To identify your local Congressperson/Senator visit http://www.congress.org
 
Edison, your dedication to this forum is beyond expectations, and clearly you have really done a lot.
But aren't we expecting compassion and empathy from the congresspersons and the senators for furthering our case. They will simply not listen if they do not see anything in it for them. And not being voters we simply do not have much for them.
The media might listen, if they believe that the story is very interesting or it affects most people. False on both counts for an average american.
A lawsuit would force people to listen as it adds accountability to their actions.
Since we do not have many people like Edison on this group I suggest that we focus our efforts in one direction. Sending petitions can continue in parallel.
To file with "Writ of Mandamus" we must ask them in writing to respond to our delays. Wait for 3 weeks and file the lawsuit.

What are we waiting for ?????
 
Our people always have the fear of backlash. If most of us can't even fax the petition to Congressional office or Lobbying groups, we can't expect them to join our effort of law suit.

Just remember most of the politicians doesn't retire after 2 years, everyone has high plans in politics for years together, that's the reason they target Hispancis vote today.

If we don't have thousands of persons support for faxing our petition to Congressional office, obviously we won't get support for law suit. We have to spend lot of money for law suit since we don't have any support from any immigration group.
 
Yes, but who is supporting the hispanic immigrants ? Look at statistics. They have not received anything special, but empty promises so far. They are larger in numbers and have relatives who are legal immigrants, so they can organize better. That's it.
In fact the licenses they got in California will also be repealed. Congresspersons will only do what gets them the votes and money (corporations).

If people are scared of backlash then they don't deserve to whine.
 
If you would followed Democratic presidential candidates debates, you would have noticed that everyone supported legalizing the illegals, also there are few bills at house for illegal immigrants.


Our friends don't know the impact of legalizing the illegals. Forget about chain immigration and all those things. First of all we'll be affected. Wondering how???????? Millions of people will start filling legalizing petitions then noone will care about our cases.
 
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As I said empty promises during elections. Our great Bush also made promises on immigration. How many were kept is a whole different story.
It will take a while for Americans to really support illegal aliens. Did you know that more than 60% of hispanics did not support licences for their brothers in CA. That is a reality.

Again we are deviating from the issue. We have been sending petitions since the last couple of months ( I might have emailed a dozen too). We can continue doing that. But the fact that we have not heard from BCIS officials does not speak very positively. Also we have not heard from congresspersons and senators exclusively on this subject.

So what do we do now. Keep sending more petitions or change directions. The people should decide.
 
> So what do we do now. Keep sending more petitions or change directions. The people should decide.

1) law suit ('Writ of Mandamus') against USCIS
I'm not familier with it right now, so I will investigate it later.

2) Project Ocean
I don't expect to hear directly from the U.S Goverment Executive Branch including USCIS, DHS.
I think the only way except law suite is to push the Legislative Branch.
We should not only send the petition but also visit (or call) a office to request a meeting.
We have just started it in San Francisco Bay Area, Califronia.
 
Agreed. I really appreciate whatever you guys are doing. Terrific job from Edison , Kashmir, Cinta , Manumahi etc.
I wish that next week brings more approvals.
 
Lobbying ?

Frankly speaking, I am not familier with "Lobbying",
so my question might be inadequate.

The lobbyists and the Congressional people will be really interested in our petition, won't they ?

Four years ago, the large companies supported legal workers, for instance AC21.
But they don't have a power right now.

Our community also cannot provide much money unless everyone makes a donation.

I wonder how the lobbying works.
-kashmir
 
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>>>Four years ago, the large companies supported legal workers, for instance AC21.But they don't have a power right now.


Republicans are inclined towards big corporates. Still they(Ever they'll) influence the legislators. If Democrats win both the Presidency and Congress elections, then we can't expect anything from them, they'll start implementing their agenda for illegal aliens. That's the reason I'm worried, If we don't get the things done in a year, our situation will be worser than today situation.
 
lobbying definition

From dictionary.com

lob·by ( P ) Pronunciation Key (lb)
n. pl. lob·bies
A hall, foyer, or waiting room at or near the entrance to a building, such as a hotel or theater.
A public room next to the assembly chamber of a legislative body.
A group of persons engaged in trying to influence legislators or other public officials in favor of a specific cause: the banking lobby; the labor lobby.

v. lob·bied, lob·by·ing, lob·bies
v. intr.
To try to influence the thinking of legislators or other public officials for or against a specific cause: lobbying for stronger environmental safeguards; lobbied against the proliferation of nuclear arms.

v. tr.
To try to influence public officials on behalf of or against (proposed legislation, for example): lobbied the bill through Congress; lobbied the bill to a negative vote.
To try to influence (an official) to take a desired action.
 
Lobbying Congress Integral Part of U.S. Democratic System

Lobbying Congress Integral Part of
U.S. Democratic System
By Wendy S. Ross
USIA Congressional Affairs Writer
This article first ran on the Washington File in 1993.


Lobbying Congress to persuade it to pass specific legislation, make changes in proposed legislation or undo legislation already on the books is central to the U.S. form of government, but it is a process that often baffles foreign governments, say political scientists, journalists and lobbyists themselves.

Under the U.S. democratic system, the president does not have absolute power, he shares it with the Congress.

"The president proposes and the Congress disposes," and the "nuances" of this interplay of competing forces is often difficult for foreign governments to decipher, says veteran Washington lobbyist John Meek.

The president can say he wants a certain policy to become law, but that doesn't happen unless a majority of the 535 members of Congress agree. "The very basic element of lobbying is to get a member of Congress to vote for you, your goal or your cause," Meek says. To do this, you have to convince that person that they can do this without losing their next election. It's that simple."

To do that, it's sometimes necessary to mobilize constituents of that member through sophisticated grass roots and media campaigns, so the public knows about the issue, and puts pressure on the politician to vote for your cause, he says.

Lobbying is "massively important" to the functioning of the government, says Thomas Mann, director of governmental studies at the Brookings Institution, a Washington think-tank.

"We have a powerful Congress that is decentralized and highly permeable to outside interests," Mann says, "so the opportunity exists for individuals and groups to take their case to the Congress knowing that (a) they'll be listened to and (b) that it might make a difference because Congress is independently powerful in making public policy."

As government has grown and issues become more complex, overburdened members of Congress and their staffs have had to rely more and more on outside experts for information, he says.

This has led to the growth of large lobbying firms, capable not only of contacting members of Congress and their aides, but also of keeping track of thousands of regulations, placing advertisements, generating mail and telephone calls from constituents, and getting spokesmen on television shows or in newspapers.

Lobbying firms generally deal with Congress and the complexities of legislation, while public relations firms deal "more with the media, or in running advertisements at the grass roots level that would get the public to write in to their congressman," says lawyer and lobbyist Mary Lyman. Quite often, she says, a lobbying firm will subcontract with a public relations firm to do the media work.

Public interest groups like the Sierra Club and Common Cause are also involved in lobbying, she says, but "typically they have their own in-house lobbyists." They usually are tax-exempt organizations that get their funding from membership dues and contributions.

The essence of lobbying, Meek says, is embodied in the first amendment to the Constitution which states that "Congress shall make no law...abridging the freedom of speech or of the press; or the right of the people peacefully to assemble and to petition the Government for redress of grievances."

But "in terms of how other governments work, our system is still quite unique," he points out.

"In much of the world you only need to know one or two people" to get things done, "and that's the frustration of people who come here -- because for some reason they think you only need to know one or two people. And that isn't true.

"You need to know thousands of people and sometimes you need to inform millions of people," through public relations campaigns targeting the media, says Meek.

The intense media blitz going on right now around the issue of the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA), is an example of how lobbying works, Meek says. The agreement, to open trade between Canada, Mexico and the United States, needs congressional approval to go into effect.

Joining the administration in supporting NAFTA are five living former U.S. presidents and the nation's most powerful business lobbies, including the Chamber of Commerce and the National Association of Manufacturers.

Organized labor, on the other hand, is opposing the agreement, saying it will cost thousands of U.S. workers their jobs, hurt consumers and induce U.S. firms to move to Mexico to escape U.S. environmental regulations.

The government of Mexico has hired many lobbyists to push for the agreement's passage. Its hope is to reassure American voters and their representatives in Washington that the U.S. economy has nothing to fear from open trade with Mexico and that more jobs, not fewer, will result.

"About 30 different firms" are working for Mexico, says Kevin McCauley, senior editor of a newsletter which covers the lobbying done in Washington for foreign governments and foreign-owned corporations.

Over the last year and a half, he says, Mexico has spent $25 million on lobbying activities, many of them on NAFTA.

"Because of the complexity of our system, foreign governments are not equipped" to lobby by themselves, Meek says. "They are equipped to assist, be a part of the lobbying effort, but not to do it. They need to hire a lobbyist who can be responsive to their needs and help them achieves their objectives."

Lobbyists are especially important for developing countries, because there is so much competition among them for U.S. aid, Meek says, and "to compete for it you have to get in and get your story told."
 
Lobbying might be great if a bill or so has to be introduced or amended in the congress or senate. Our case is simple and all we need is someone to enforce the existing situation.
 
Originally posted by sai_2367
Lobbying might be great if a bill or so has to be introduced or amended in the congress or senate. Our case is simple and all we need is someone to enforce the existing situation.

We can use lobbying to bring a bill for instance

1. To come up with a dead line to clear back logs on Employment based I-485s and keep the processing time no more than say 180 days.

2. The 5 year requirement for Citizenship to include the AOS time.

These are the two bills I can think of right away, we can think of more, take some from the petition and from project Ocean.
 
lobbying requires money and time.Looking at the people in this forum I am not sure they are willing to accept both . In the future that might be a great idea but for now these people need to be relieved quickly . Dont you think so ??
 
I do accept that, but I dont believe that sending petitions alone is going to give us any immidiate benefit either.

Those action committe members who are willing to spend some time can put their efforts in this. We dont need all the members of immigrationportal to go and work for this effort.

What we may need to do?

1. Obviousely we need money, So need to raise money.

2. Lets use the same action commitee to work on even in this lobbying effort.

3. We continue our signature campaign and sending petitions.

Any how though I have my own opinions on how to go further, I would obide with whatever all of us decide.

Lets go with constructive discussion. I may not be correct, may be I am not seeing the problem in the right direction.

Any comments are welcome.
 
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