I told u guys...to stay calm...calm down now

[labor_replace]

People My dear People

Having called Senators, faxing congressmen etc Has it worked? Yes, the other way around.

Now the whole congress and Senate knows how to control the Green card process there by maximizing our output to the American employers.

We have clearly demonstrated that our pain is the gain for America.

Let us stay calm and let the PD become current whenever ...whatever...time it takes.

As a first step let us close this PD discussion first.

Let us not yell anymore. The more we shout the more we will be suppressed.

 

[atl_fp]

Don't be so pessimistic

I think there is a limit how much people can take. If it stays like this forever more and more people will avoid come to US. This won't benefit U.S.

Further more, tying people up isn't necessary the most efficient way. Small employers might choose that route because they can't afford to motivate people anyway, but for the long run, unless you are motivated, you won't be forever productive.

Overall, a situation like this doesn't help either side. I think most Senators are smart enough to understand this. The real problem is how big a deal this is to them; that's why a lot of times ours need are just ignored or become victims of other things.

People My dear People

Having called Senators, faxing congressmen etc Has it worked? Yes, the other way around.

Now the whole congress and Senate knows how to control the Green card process there by maximizing our output to the American employers.

We have clearly demonstrated that our pain is the gain for America.

Let us stay calm and let the PD become current whenever ...whatever...time it takes.

As a first step let us close this PD discussion first.

Let us not yell anymore. The more we shout the more we will be suppressed.

 

[marlon2006]

At least we communicated our issue.

My goal was to communicate our plight. I called, I faxed a lot. I don't regret. At least we reached a stage in which I am certain that a number of lawmakers are aware about our problem. At least I have done my part. Now it is on their hands. Will they work on a fix ? Nobody knows. Since I am starting to feel the burden of job stagnation, I will work hard to finish my masters degree. I put it on hold waiting for the greencard since that could open the doors for scholarships. Forget it.

One thing is for sure:the mood out there is not in our favor and employers will always look for their convenience and short-term gains.

 

[eBhola]

My goal was to communicate our plight. I called, I faxed a lot. I don't regret.

I can develop a program .. which can send faxes to each and every senator and congressmen every 3 days or so ... using some of the most common names ...

But the question is does it do any good ... The secetrary at the office might get mad .. as she would need to do more shredding.

The lawmakers do not think that legal immigrant guys are in trouble... as they know that most of them can go back to there countries and still live a decent life ... and still contribute +ve towards US economy .. as the chances are that they work in offshore US company.

But the real problem is with the illegal immigrants ... if they are sent back in large numbers ... they might not get a job back home ... and the whole family might strave to death. That might become a big human rights problem.

 

[techy2468]

labor_replace.......so you are saying that you have proof that sending faxes is working against us???

eBhola.....man u r too naive.........do you think politicians care about people starving to death in a foreign country???.......they are supporting illegals for two reasons...
1. millions of votes(2-3 states in their pocket)
2. business lobby want these cheap labor to stay

 

[marlon2006]

At this point I don't think you should develop such program, because the information campaign - in my opinion - has been accomplished. From here I think it would be more strategical if we let lobbysts deal with senator staff directly. I think keep some type of communication is better than do nothing about it.

Now regarding your view on the illegal aliens, you totally wrong. Don't be naive to believe that senators and businessmen care. It is all about profit opportunities. The democrats and few republicans such as Sen. McCain bet that by supporting illegal aliens they can win votes in the future.

I can develop a program .. which can send faxes to each and every senator and congressmen every 3 days or so ... using some of the most common names ...

But the question is does it do any good ... The secetrary at the office might get mad .. as she would need to do more shredding.

The lawmakers do not think that legal immigrant guys are in trouble... as they know that most of them can go back to there countries and still live a decent life ... and still contribute +ve towards US economy .. as the chances are that they work in offshore US company.

But the real problem is with the illegal immigrants ... if they are sent back in large numbers ... they might not get a job back home ... and the whole family might strave to death. That might become a big human rights problem.

 

[gcstrat]

FAxes, phones, e-mails are important

Guys and Gals

I have helped a grass-root parent volunteer group which is "fighting" an "abusive and injust" school district board.

• Writing letters to editors,
  e-mailing/faxing/contacting law-makers,
  contacting influencial people,
  mediating throught retired judges,
  holding rallies,
  e-mailing/contact school board members,
  yard signs, etc,
  is what a PROFESSIONAL PR has recommended.

It is called "making the issue visible and in-front of the people". If the issue is being discussed, it is "natural" politicians will gravite and make a comment.

Also, other thing to remember, the other side is buzy faxing/e-mailing/contacting lawmakers. If the lawmaker does not have the same from "our" side, he may not be able to support "us" openly.

Regards
GCStrat

 

[saras76]

Well thought out moves ..

Guys and Gals

I have helped a grass-root parent volunteer group which is "fighting" an "abusive and injust" school district board.

• Writing letters to editors,
  e-mailing/faxing/contacting law-makers,
  contacting influencial people,
  mediating throught retired judges,
  holding rallies,
  e-mailing/contact school board members,
  yard signs, etc,
  is what a PROFESSIONAL PR has recommended.

It is called "making the issue visible and in-front of the people". If the issue is being discussed, it is "natural" politicians will gravite and make a comment.

Also, other thing to remember, the other side is buzy faxing/e-mailing/contacting lawmakers. If the lawmaker does not have the same from "our" side, he may not be able to support "us" openly.

Regards
GCStrat

Guys and Gals,

While I agree that a barrage of faxes and phone calls is counter-productive, I think sitting back and not doing anything is not a good idea. I think IV has done a good job of educating a lot of politicians and media outlets and we as individuals shouldn't go overboard with faxes and phones.

The best thing to do is to be part of initiatives started by IV and not worry to much about getting or voices heard at this point. I believe enough has been done and now everything depends on pure politics. Lets see how that goes ..

saras

 

[eBhola]

eBhola.....man u r too naive.........do you think politicians care about people starving to death in a foreign country???.......they are supporting illegals for two reasons...
1. millions of votes(2-3 states in their pocket)
2. business lobby want these cheap labor to stay

Millions of voters ... yes ... atleast 11 millions.
But when ... after they become citizens ... .. But what ... how many will go to polls out of them ... Many illegals who are now .. tend to be paid on hourly basis .. will he loose couple of hundred dollars in taking timeout.
Even if the senator manages to get the guy at the voting place .. what if he votes for other guy...

Yes Business lobby want cheap labor from outside country .... they got cheap programmers from India, china and where not. Cheap guys to build roads and houses from down South.
But tell me will the cheapness last ... once they gain legal status..?

If a construction worker from South America gets a citizenship .. do U think he will continue to work at the same rate ... possibly he will try to become a business owner rather than work in harsh heat of the summer.


But if because of policy matter of USA ... many people starts to die out of hunger .... the entire globe will point fingures at US .... for the human disaster ...

Remember most of the people came to US that ways .... boarded a boat or a ship and landed in North America ... and continued to live.... Some changed name to something that sounds easy .... and thats all they did to start there lives ....

If thats the history ... why its so difficult for every one now?

 

[ufo2002]

Diversify

Don't know if I am hijacking this thread topic, but just want to give some options to everyone. The US is no longer the only nation with a good life, many other places now are having immigrant-friendly policies, improving economies, improving standards of living. Personally I have started looking into Australia and Canada as migration options, and since I am an Australian university graduate, I actually have very good chances of getting the Aussie PR fast (their posted processing times is averaging 15 months).

If the US doesn't feel that it is important to bring in more skilled people, it's their loss. Think about it, when I move out of here, that's one less taxpayer for Fed, State, Medicare, and Soc Security. If 100,000 people give up GC and move out, that's hundreds of millions of dollars denied to taxes. Plus we repatriate all our savings out of the US... even more money denied.

I know that many of us have lived here for years, so the thought of uprooting and moving elsewhere is painful. But you do not have to let yourself 'suffer' the mental pain of playing the waiting game with the system here.

 

[marlon2006]

It so difficult now because anything with a border and physical delimitation has limited resources. If the influx is not controlled, then the US middle class will soon or later may be downgraded to a third world type of middle class. Weak, with low wages, disrespectful. There are schools and hospitals in really bad shape thanks to the influx of illegal aliens. Most illegal aliens, even if get legalized, would be legalized under $26,000 income and therefore most likely would only use the public infrastructure, but take a while to contribute back. Regarding what you are saying about sending people back to their countries and let them die out of hunger, it depends. If these ambitions people go back to their country, they should force the government there to demand changes. As is now the government and rich businessmen of Mexico and other Latin America countries are taking advantage of remittances to keep them in power. Perhaps if you force people to go back, demands will implode and force corrupt and failed government in Latin America to improve.



But if because of policy matter of USA ... many people starts to die out of hunger .... the entire globe will point fingures at US .... for the human disaster ...

Remember most of the people came to US that ways .... boarded a boat or a ship and landed in North America ... and continued to live.... Some changed name to something that sounds easy .... and thats all they did to start there lives ....

If thats the history ... why its so difficult for every one now?[/QUOTE]

 

[Sc3]

No, lets keep quiet and use substitute labour -- like scumbags do.

People My dear People

Having called Senators, faxing congressmen etc Has it worked? Yes, the other way around.

Now the whole congress and Senate knows how to control the Green card process there by maximizing our output to the American employers.

We have clearly demonstrated that our pain is the gain for America.

Let us stay calm and let the PD become current whenever ...whatever...time it takes.

As a first step let us close this PD discussion first.

Let us not yell anymore. The more we shout the more we will be suppressed.

 

[softwareguy]

No - Employers want this!!!

Contary to popular belief - Money spending employers like Microsoft and Cisco want to have people with portability, their lobbists are lobbying on 2 grounds more H1 B and more Portability after labour.

I have had personal experience in interviews at Microsoft, where they want to hire from a larger pool of people from various companies and they are inhibited in their hiring...

They want junior testers who work on lesser pay - these are primarily freshers from US Univ but have foriegn origins and at the same time they are bleeding for experienced H1 B holders who can take LIVE.com etc to next level ....

They want to poach but cant because of most of these H1 Bs are in their 5/6th year and extensions etc. is a pain...

Again this is 1st hand experience of what is facing Microsoft Recruiters and they are lobbing for more portability...

 

[atlfp]

That makes sense

Big players play rather differently than small palyers. They try to attract you and keep you, because they meant to keep a large amount of smart people to work for them. Small palyers on the other hand are not very much able to do so, so they get you and tie you up.

Contary to popular belief - Money spending employers like Microsoft and Cisco want to have people with portability, their lobbists are lobbying on 2 grounds more H1 B and more Portability after labour.

I have had personal experience in interviews at Microsoft, where they want to hire from a larger pool of people from various companies and they are inhibited in their hiring...

They want junior testers who work on lesser pay - these are primarily freshers from US Univ but have foriegn origins and at the same time they are bleeding for experienced H1 B holders who can take LIVE.com etc to next level ....

They want to poach but cant because of most of these H1 Bs are in their 5/6th year and extensions etc. is a pain...

Again this is 1st hand experience of what is facing Microsoft Recruiters and they are lobbing for more portability...

 

[marlon2006]

Softwareguy, do you know whether Microsoft (or other major companies) hire IT professionals (experienced) and could start the GC process ASAP ? In the past when I worked there 7 years ago they waited one year to decide whether the GC process, then it dragged the feet as much as they could. Anything has changed or any bargain power an experienced IT candidate could have ? Not sure if you have that info, but share with me if you can. I am on EAD.

It seems that more recently, DOL has implemented the rule in which one cannot pay for any cost of the Labor phase, right ? Otherwise one could take a job in a small company and pay for the immediate LC EB2 Perm labor. I guess that is not possible anymore...

Contary to popular belief - Money spending employers like Microsoft and Cisco want to have people with portability, their lobbists are lobbying on 2 grounds more H1 B and more Portability after labour.

I have had personal experience in interviews at Microsoft, where they want to hire from a larger pool of people from various companies and they are inhibited in their hiring...

They want junior testers who work on lesser pay - these are primarily freshers from US Univ but have foriegn origins and at the same time they are bleeding for experienced H1 B holders who can take LIVE.com etc to next level ....

They want to poach but cant because of most of these H1 Bs are in their 5/6th year and extensions etc. is a pain...

Again this is 1st hand experience of what is facing Microsoft Recruiters and they are lobbing for more portability...

 

[softwareguy]

Nope - Applies only for poaching.

MS interview question - how many years have you been USA on H1 B ?

5 years or more?
your Answer - we will start your G.C. process ASAP.

Less than 5 years?
your Answer - Microsoft has a policy of waiting 1 year, blah, blah, blah...

---
In the end, I not saying that any of these companies care about your security, benefits, etc. - Its just that with Microsoft's need for experienced professional - they are "FORCED" to start G.C. process ASAP and they are limited in their hunt to poach.

That is the only reason they wish that portability should be available...

In the end its all about business and not benefit....

 

[WellWisher007]

You hit the nail right on its head!!!

You hit the nail right on its head!!!

Big players play rather differently than small palyers. They try to attract you and keep you, because they meant to keep a large amount of smart people to work for them. Small palyers on the other hand are not very much able to do so, so they get you and tie you up.

 

[where_is_my_gc]

Bad Bad Bad!

flooding with faxes bad thing to do...infact stupid!

it involves least effort and people doing it think they have done their part by clicking a button.

This isnt' the way you bring the problem to attention.

What do you think their secy would do? Sir, these guys are sending lot of faxes I think we should take their matter? OR we will have to buy a new fax machine.