I-485 denied Please help

desp_gc

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My I485 was denied as my I-140 petitioning company withdrew it after approval I did file for an AC21 after that and currently have a job which is similar to it..but I got a notice that I-485 was denied because I-140 was withdrawn.. Am I screwed? Can I appeal I heard that we cannot appeal for I-485 Denial? Can I get back on my H1 again I completed only 4 years of H1 so far..

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First of all don't panic and worry, be hopeful there would be some way out.


I believe if 485 is pending and 180 gone u may use AC21. if this is the situation you should immidiately file MTR through ur attorney and prove that u are eligable to use it.

If 485 it was less than 180 days, than best thing is get advise from attorney, or if ur current empl can file LC+140 that would be nice.

Sometime in life things doesn't go as we expect, we don't know the reason but God knows, there would be some good reason in your favor for that delay. Be Very hopeful, Always Try, think in this way if God has written GC in your Luck it would come on right time, practice your faith(whatever ur believes are), and make unshakeable trust on God(whatever u believe or name him), if he has written GC in ur Luck it would come and noone can stop it.

Remember we don't make things happen but God do. When one door is closed God open 100 other doors for you. all u need to find and trust on him.

You do your best efforts you can do and never giveup, pray, be hopeful and leave everything on God, everything will be fine.

About H1, I believe 'Yes' if it is still valid and u are maintaining H status.


Do not panic, Relax, find ur best options.

We all pray for you, keep us update,

Wish you Good Luck.
 
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thanks for the kind words prince of jungle..

My I-485 was pending for more than 180 days, I realize that I can use AC21 but am not sure why I-485 was rejected I did send it my AC21 with documentation as soon as I changed job how do I file for motion to reopen?
 
The question is : did you change job after 180 days of filing I485? If so, you are ok, and ask for MTR (motion to reopen).

If you have not used EAD or AP, and your H1 is still valid (meaing expiry date), you don't have to worry being out of status.
 
desp_gc said:
thanks for the kind words prince of jungle..

My I-485 was pending for more than 180 days, I realize that I can use AC21 but am not sure why I-485 was rejected I did send it my AC21 with documentation as soon as I changed job how do I file for motion to reopen?

Don't worry u are on good shape, u are not alone who is using AC21 millions have used and get sucess, it seems some docs issue.

You immidiately contact/consult ur attorney, tell him full story that u do eligible to use AC21. he would prepare MTR for u.

in letter of deniel they would have stated the detailed based on their decission, if only 140 issue u are all fine for MTR , all u need the proper doc to submit. be very hopeful. Trust on God everything will be fine.


wish u good luck and keep us update.
 
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motion to reopen

Prince of jungle-

I have filed for MTR. I have used AC21 to switch my jobs and did send the documentation for the same. They made a decision on June 1 that I485 should be denied(as my original company withdrew the I-140 petition). I send in my AC21 documentation on June 20. I do not know if this is the problem. How long does MTR usually take?
Will there be any issues approving my case now after sending documentation again?
 
desp_gc said:
Prince of jungle-

I have filed for MTR. I have used AC21 to switch my jobs and did send the documentation for the same. They made a decision on June 1 that I485 should be denied(as my original company withdrew the I-140 petition). I send in my AC21 documentation on June 20. I do not know if this is the problem. How long does MTR usually take?
Will there be any issues approving my case now after sending documentation again?


Plz help me to understand, step by step and one by one, it seems many thing mixed together,

>>I have filed for MTR.


Month/yearr plz

When did u file your 485 on ???

When did use AC21 when 485 was in pending ?

When did 485 was denied on?????



Are u saying u have filed MTR ? if filed when did u file?



and the most important quesiton ,

1. Who filed ur 485 petition? your attorney or you filed urself?

2. Did u deal /sent AC21 doc yourself or ur attorney?

3. Any RFE u received???

4. who replied the RFE u or ur attorney?

5. if u have filed MTR then when? and who filed you or ur attorney?


Good Luck
 
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sorry for not being clear I appreciate all your prompt responses



Plz help me to understand, step by step and one by one, it seems many thing mixed together,

>>I have filed for MTR.



You filed your 485 on ???
Dec 11 2003

when 485 was in pending you used AC21????
Correct.

your 485 denied on?????
June 20,2005

Are u saying u have filed MTR ? if filed when did u file?
Today filed by attorney(I did not file for anything myself for my green card all done by attorney)
and the most important quesiton ,

1. Who filed ur 485 petition? your attorney or you filed urself?
Attorney

2. Did u deal /sent AC21 doc yourself or ur attorney?
Attorney

3. if u have filed MTR then when? and who filed you or ur attorney?
Attorney today..

Appreciate your help..
 
>You filed your 485 on ???
>Dec 11 2003


when 485 was in pending you used AC21????
Correct.

When did u used and how did u let USCIS know about it, and who sent doc to USCIS about AC21? plz also share the detail of doc sent



>your 485 denied on?????
>June 20,2005

Did u receive any RFE??




>Are u saying u have filed MTR ? if filed when did u file?
>Today filed by attorney(I did not file for anything myself for my green card >all done by attorney)


Good, We all wish u good luck :D , smile man u are all fine.

one unrelated question, if u like to answer,
Are u from SR country?
 
desp_gc said:
Prince of jungle-

I have filed for MTR. I have used AC21 to switch my jobs and did send the documentation for the same. They made a decision on June 1 that I485 should be denied(as my original company withdrew the I-140 petition). I send in my AC21 documentation on June 20. I do not know if this is the problem. How long does MTR usually take?
Will there be any issues approving my case now after sending documentation again?
If the withdrawal of your I-140 was submitted before your I-485 has been pending for 180 days, you cannot win the MTR; otherwise your case could be reversed. So try to find out when your I-140 was withdrawn.

You can find the answer from the new AC21 Memo (May 12, 2005) although I think this point does not make the sense and may be revised in the final reg.
 
I-140 ???

Is your I-140 approved ? If your I-140 is approved, then you have a strong case, I heard.

Man
 
I believed one person was in a similar situation an year ago.
long_gc or longgc was his id...do a search on that...

if u filed for 485 in 2003...and if ur 140 was approved long time ago...u can change jobs after 180days before the approved 140 was pulled out by the first company...

dont worry...as i said earlier...there was a person who got his stuff approved...

goodluck
 
We all are sharing our point of view, do not get panic based on info that is shared here by anyone. best thing is to consult with exp attorney.


If it help or if u like u may search using google key work '140 withdraw' or somthing similar

Read AC21 FAQs
http://www.murthy.com/news/UDac21qa.html#1


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Carl Shusterman: Good evening everyone. The question of the 180-Day Portability Rule has been asked thousands of time, since the law was enacted in the year 2000. The rule is contained in section 106(c) of the American Competitiveness in the 21st Century Act of 2000 (AC21). Although it has been almost 3 years since the law was enacted, the BCIS has yet to issue regulations implementing the law. However, on June 19, 2001, the INS issued policy memoranda explaining the agency's interpretation of various sections of the law, including the 180-Day-Portability Rule. More recently, on August 4, 2003, the BCIS released a memoranda explaining how the rule would apply in cases where the I-140 visa petition was withdrawn, denied, or revoked. The purpose of tonight's chat is to discuss the ramifications of this latest memo, so let's get to the questions.

Question #1:Hi. In my case I changed jobs about 1 month after filing my I-485 because my employer went out of business. That happened 10 months ago. My I-140 was approved prior to filing I-485 and to the best of my knowledge my previous employer hasn't withdrawn it. What worries me is the wording "I-140 immigrant petition shall remain valid when an alien changes jobs, if the I-485 has been filed and remained unadjudicated for 180 days or more." At the time of changing jobs the I-485 hadn't been pending for 180 days yet. So, is my I-485 still valid? If it is, what documents should I file with the BCIS to prove that my current job is the same as the one before? How soon after changing jobs must I do it? Are there precedents, in which a green card has been denied in cases like mine?

Carl: Good question. There is a lot of confusion, not only among immigrants, but among immigration attorneys as well, as to the meaning of the 180-day rule. It is not necessary for you to remain with your initial employer for 180 days or more after the I-485 is submitted. What is important is that the I-485 not be adjudicated during the first 180 days after submission. In your case, it has been over 10 months since the I-485 was submitted, so the 180-day portability rule applies.

Per the June 19, 2001 memo, you must supply the BCIS with two documents. The first document is a letter, stating that, at the time you submitted the I-485, it was your intention to remain with your initial employer indefinitely. The second document is a letter from your new employer stating that your new job is the same or similar to the job for which your labor certification and visa petition were approved. These letters may be submitted at any time, but the process is much smoother if they are submitted before you receive any notification regarding your application, from the BCIS.

The employer letter should contain the job title, job description and salary of the new job. To determine whether the new job is the same or similar to the old job, the BCIS consults the Labor Department Dictionary of Occupational Titles (DOT) or the online O*NET Classification System (one of the two), or similar publications. The memo prohibits INS officers from denying I-485 based on failure to demonstrate that the new job is in the same or a similar occupation as the initial job unless they have consulted, on a case-by-case basis with BCIS headquarters. Shusterman.com links to the June 19, 2001 memo at http://shusterman.com/toc-gc.html#2A1 and to the DOT and the O*NET from http://shusterman.com/toc-dol.html#7.

Question #2: I was laid off after less than 180 days on the job, got a new job, same as the old, when I-485 was still pending, for less than 180 days. Up to now, my I-485 has been pending more than 22 months after approval of I-140 and no revocation. Can I use AC21?

Carl: Absolutely.

Question #3: In the case of concurrent filing of the forms I-140 and I-485, are the 180 days counted from the day of I-140 approval or from the date of I-485 receipt?

Carl: The 180 days always starts when the I-485 is received by the BCIS. This person brings up a good point. Since July 31, 2002, the INS began allowing I-485 to be filed simultaneously with I-140s as long as the priority date is current.

Question #4: I am currently working as a physician in underserved area on an H-1B visa that is being renewed for another 3 years. By Nov. 1st, 2003 I will complete my 3 years requirement for working in an underserved area. I have an approved labor certification and I just applied for I-140 Immigration petition. By Nov. 1st I am going to apply for adjustment of status. I am currently interviewing for a new job and I am intending to transfer jobs 6 months after filing for adjustment of status according to the portability law. Questions: 1. What do I need to file for new paperwork for a transfer of jobs (like renewal of H-1B or an employment authorization)? 2. If I transfer jobs and stay there for one year for example, can I change for a third job even though I won't have the green card yet?

Carl: First, it is necessary for you to file a letter with the BCIS stating that it was your intention to remain at your initial job indefinitely at the time that I-485 was filed. It is not supposed to be your intention to change jobs on day 181, after the I-485 has been filed. As long as you remain in the same or a similar occupation, you can move to job #2, job #3, etc. without having an impact on your eligibility for adjustment of status. Also, since you mention that you work in an underserved area, it is interesting to note that the location of the job is irrelevant to the portability process.

Question #5: Good Evening. My question is as follows: As per the discussion section of the memo, it states that an approved petition (I-140) is considered valid, provided that there is a bonafide agreement of employment whether it be a present or a prospective/future employer, on approval of permanent residence. Does this mean that we can change employers, etc. and should we have a contract with a prospective employer? If so, on approval of the green card, can we then switch jobs? If this is so, how long after permanent residence approval should we join this future employer?

Carl: The memo reminds service center directors and regional directors that there is no requirement that an applicant be employed by the petitioning employer or by the subsequent employer in order to qualify for adjustment of status. However, after the adjustment of status, it is important that the applicant begin working immediately for either the petitioning employer or any subsequent employer who advised the BCIS that they were offering the applicant employment. As a practical matter, it is unlikely that an INS service center would grant an application for adjustment of status based on employment to a person who was not already employed by either the petitioning employer or by a subsequent employer.

Question #6: I'm an H-1B visa holder and my labor certificate has been approved, as of Nov. 2002. I already applied for the I-140 and I-485. Unfortunately my I-140 was denied due to supposed inability of my employer to pay, due to current economic issues. Is there any possibility that I can keep my LC with another employer to finish my green card processing or do I have to start over now?

Carl: Unfortunately, you need to start over.

Question #7: Hi! Thanks a lot for the exceptional service. Need your suggestions. My (and family's) I-485, EAD, AP were applied on July 15th. EAD & AP just got approved (as per online status) last week. I am going to lose my job in 1 to 2 weeks (hardly 60 days after the I-485 receipt date). But my employer will not revoke the I-140. I just got an offer from another company, but am unable to decide because of the 180 days rule. In view of the recent AC21 memo which seems to have two conflicting statements regarding validity of an I-140 in the case of a second employer before 180 days. What would you suggest? Even if I join the new company before 180 days and my old company retains the I-140, can I still claim that the original sponsor is still supporting my green card (even after laying me off) and for the time being that I'm working for the new company (on EAD or H-1B, another question). Then I could say I will return to the old company as soon as they find a project for me? I want to specify that my I-485 was applied after approval of my I-140. Thanks.

Carl: The 180-day portability rule was designed for cases such as yours. None of the four BCIS service centers which adjudicate I-485s do so in less than a year, much less 180 days. Your question is based on the misconception that any change of employment within the first 180 days after the I-485 is submitted may be fatal to your application. The truth is that since you intended to work for the initial employer, but were laid off, it is your responsibility to find a new employer who can offer you a job in the same or a similar occupation as soon as possible. I would urge you to wait until 180 days have passed since the submission of your I-485, and then submit your intent letter and a letter from your new employer in order to invoke the portability doctrine.

The reason that I urge you to wait until after 180 days, is that if you notify the BCIS of your change of employment now, the agency could deny your I-485 before the 180 days have been reached and you would not be able to take advantage of the portability rule.






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I did not get an RFE. My case status online never said it was denied in fact the last status on it " the document based on approval and registration of case was mailed to the person issued". I called the uscis they told me that case was approved and cards were mailed.. then I got the denial notice I cannot understand how things worked out??
 
Please let me know the answers to these questions--

(a) Can I change my status back to H1(I have completed only 4 years)? Will my H1 B petition be rejected as I have applied for immigrant status?
(b)If I apply for H1 B status do I have to leave the countrya and comeback?
(c)It is possible to use EAD if I-485 is denied since I have applied for an MTR ..Will my I-485 status be restored once my MTR is approved?
(d)What is the time frame for MTR approval and I-485 approval?

Please post your responses.

My details:
I140-nov11,2003
I485-Dec 11,2003
Concurrent filing
I140 approved-Feb 11,2005
I-485-denial notice-June 20,2005
MTR sent date-July 22,2005
:confused:
 
when did you leave your sponser employer?

It may determine the 180 day rule can or can't be used.
 
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