Have you seen this - Current Hagel-Martinez may hurt EB ?

marlon2006

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Today's news. We need to analyze this carefully. If the analysis below is correct, then this bill would not help us. It is saying that visa numbers for EB would receive 30% of thet annual quota instead of ~60%. In the end, we would end up with 150K a year !! Read and comment please:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060515-122825-2467r.htm

"Currently, a little less than 60 percent of the 140,000 work visas granted each year are reserved for professors, engineers, doctors and others with "extraordinary abilities." Fewer than 10 percent are set aside for unskilled laborers. The idea has always been to draw the best and the brightest to America.
Under the Senate proposal, those priorities would be flipped.
The percentage of work visas that would go to the highly educated or highly skilled would be cut in half to about 30 percent. The percentage of work visas that go to unskilled laborers would more than triple. In hard numbers for those categories, the highest skilled workers would be granted 135,000 visas annually, while the unskilled would be granted 150,000 annually.
What's more, the Hagel-Martinez bill would make it considerably easier for unskilled workers to remain here permanently while keeping hurdles in place for skilled workers. It would still require highly skilled workers who are here on a temporary basis to find an employer to "petition" for their permanent residency but it would allow unskilled laborers to "self-petition," meaning their employer would not have to guarantee their employment as a condition on staying. "
 
Look like they want make USA a third world country??

I don't know if US citizens are aware of this? I don't think Americans will accept this. What a bright idea the senetor got it. Looks like he wants votes from these illeagals !!! :mad:
 
Marlon

I was expressing the same concern in some other. All you have to do is read the Bill. If you examine it more carefully, you will see that there will be a increase of in the percentage aspect for EB3, but here is catch, it will definitely led to decrease in numbers because the overall numbers for skilled workers would be decrease I to accomodate unskilled, which are mostly illegals. It does'nt look good.

Again I stress everyone to read it. And for all who out there who is thinking that this bill ain't gonna pass in the House. Too Bad! because it is gonna pass. Pressure from the President and the members of the Rep. Party will take its toll and bill is gonna be a done deal. People remember its election year. No matter one might think, if the Senate version pass before Memorial Day this bill will come into law by late August or earlier. Talking about retrogression......we ain't see nothing yet. Pure stress. People we all know that this is hurting us, but dont give yourself heartache over it. Remember we have only one life to live....so live it...have fun.... F.... greencard when it comes it comes, maybe by then we dont need it.
 
Yeah, I read this article today already...
It's pretty sneaky when you think about how the CIR bill states that there will be an increase in employment based visas... BUT... haha, here's the catch, they wanna increase numbers for a certain category of people.
I didn't realise at first it would result in NET LOSS of skilled worker category.
And to think that some people believe this bill will be good for us....

"Deal or No Deal?"

marlon2006 said:
Today's news. We need to analyze this carefully. If the analysis below is correct, then this bill would not help us. It is saying that visa numbers for EB would receive 30% of thet annual quota instead of ~60%. In the end, we would end up with 150K a year !! Read and comment please:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060515-122825-2467r.htm

"Currently, a little less than 60 percent of the 140,000 work visas granted each year are reserved for professors, engineers, doctors and others with "extraordinary abilities." Fewer than 10 percent are set aside for unskilled laborers. The idea has always been to draw the best and the brightest to America.
Under the Senate proposal, those priorities would be flipped.
The percentage of work visas that would go to the highly educated or highly skilled would be cut in half to about 30 percent. The percentage of work visas that go to unskilled laborers would more than triple. In hard numbers for those categories, the highest skilled workers would be granted 135,000 visas annually, while the unskilled would be granted 150,000 annually.
What's more, the Hagel-Martinez bill would make it considerably easier for unskilled workers to remain here permanently while keeping hurdles in place for skilled workers. It would still require highly skilled workers who are here on a temporary basis to find an employer to "petition" for their permanent residency but it would allow unskilled laborers to "self-petition," meaning their employer would not have to guarantee their employment as a condition on staying. "
 
I have been maintaining this fact throughout that this bill is a death blow for tech workers.
Unfortulately its going to pass before memorial day.

People just forget about it now. Get on with your lives. Its not worth it.

neo
 
Neocor, please don't give up. Write to vocal commentators such as Michelle Malkin, Lou Dobbs, Michael Savage, Bill O'Reilly, etc. I called in the local radio station today to explain our cause and how this bill has potential to bury us even further. If this thing goes thru, in the mid-term this country may well be a nation of peons.

neocor said:
I have been maintaining this fact throughout that this bill is a death blow for tech workers.
Unfortulately its going to pass before memorial day.

People just forget about it now. Get on with your lives. Its not worth it.

neo
 
Well, if this thing happens indeed, maybe (at least) they will classify a big portion of those pending 245(i) cases under increased "unskilled" category, thus giving us some extra numbers. What do you guys think?
 
No immigration bill this decade

Guys,

Cool it. There is not much of a chance that this bill would pass the senate and house, no matter what the president wants, especially with his current approval ratings plus election year etc.., the representatives wouldn't wan't to take any chances.

My 2 cents..
 
Arvind_I140 said:
Guys,

Cool it. There is not much of a chance that this bill would pass the senate and house, no matter what the president wants, especially with his current approval ratings plus election year etc.., the representatives wouldn't wan't to take any chances.

My 2 cents..

Come on Arvind we all welcome your views, but I guess you do not live in America. Reality! The Latino is the biggest prize out there for both parties and they see it, however you might not. It is almost safe to say no one can win the bid for the White House without the Latino vote and guess what look at the Presidential hopefuls and see the power that they have in both House and Senate. twisting a few arms and this Bill is a done deal. welcome to the purchasing power of politics. The White House now needs the approval numbers to go up. A tax cut was passed the other day and a immigration bill will and these will put the Republicans on a better footing with the Democrats who is looking to oust them.

Welcome to the purchasing power of politics!

But as I say enjoy life as we all have to go one day, so why not enjoy and let us stop letting this greencard thing messing up our brains...Shhhhhhhhh...Don't read out aloud...Someday will have our India Citizenship and Immigration Service down yonder, processing EB1, EB2...and whatever, then we will create our own backlog. Remember we are growing! lol.
 
I disagree

The proposed bill decreases EB1 and EB2 numbers from 28.6% to 15% but increases EB3 number from 28.6% to 35%. This makes sense since EB3 is most retrogressed and EB1 and EB2 visa have been undersubscribed in the past.
Here is the analysis
Current​
Proposed​
EB1
40,040​
67,500​
EB2
40,040​
67,500​

EB3
40,040​
135000​

*current numbers calculated as 28.6% of 140,000
Proposed numbers calculated as 15%, 15% and 30% of 450,000 for EB1, 2 and 3 respectively.
So, all eb catagories will benefit from proposed bill.
 
Thera33,
Can you tell me why you are against the bill ? Did you read the entire bill to make any justification ? Iam not trying to flame anybody, but the author is clearly misrepresenting the facts. You can easily lie with numbers, It is pretty damn straight. Look at the total numbers carefully and the author has not included the STEM exemption (which could be benefitted for most of EB1 and EB2 classification). The author wants to clearly misrepresent and clearly take the debate in another direction. Dont rally with him. This bill is clearly the best way to go, currently for the moment. Any bill is better than no bill at all.
Peace.
 
marlon2006 said:
Today's news. We need to analyze this carefully. If the analysis below is correct, then this bill would not help us. It is saying that visa numbers for EB would receive 30% of thet annual quota instead of ~60%. In the end, we would end up with 150K a year !! Read and comment please:

http://www.washingtontimes.com/national/20060515-122825-2467r.htm

"Currently, a little less than 60 percent of the 140,000 work visas granted each year are reserved for professors, engineers, doctors and others with "extraordinary abilities." Fewer than 10 percent are set aside for unskilled laborers. The idea has always been to draw the best and the brightest to America.
Under the Senate proposal, those priorities would be flipped.
The percentage of work visas that would go to the highly educated or highly skilled would be cut in half to about 30 percent. The percentage of work visas that go to unskilled laborers would more than triple. In hard numbers for those categories, the highest skilled workers would be granted 135,000 visas annually, while the unskilled would be granted 150,000 annually.
What's more, the Hagel-Martinez bill would make it considerably easier for unskilled workers to remain here permanently while keeping hurdles in place for skilled workers. It would still require highly skilled workers who are here on a temporary basis to find an employer to "petition" for their permanent residency but it would allow unskilled laborers to "self-petition," meaning their employer would not have to guarantee their employment as a condition on staying. "

marlon2006

The above said report is possibly pointing towards Eb1 & Eb2 (28.6 + 28.6 - little less than 60%) and not Eb3. as per proposed bill, eb2 & eb3 will get 15% each (30% of 450,000 = 135000) and eb3 will get 30% (135000). So if the bill is passed as it is today then definitely it will ease out retrogression to great extent if not completely because:

1. Spouse and children won't count against allocated quota
2. STEM rule will benifit eb1 & eb2 and some people in eb3

So the bottom line is we might see some relief to the people who are already in the system but are impacted by retrogression. But it is not going to resolve the problem completely and we might be seeing the same mess after 2 years. But by then, I hope, most of us in this forum will get their GC's. So the proposed bill is not a total washout for legal immigrants though it's not great. Keep your fingers crossed guys (till it passes Senate & Congress).
 
This is another post that goes to prove people believe articles blindly without even analyzing it on their own.

marlon2006 can you tell us how this bill will hurt us when EB1 and EB2 quotas will increase from 40,000 to nearly 120,00(if you include the dependents who are being exmepted)? For EB3-3 it increases from 40,000 to nearly 270,000.
 
Work Visas and not Visa numbers

The article is unclear about the visa numbers for green cards. It would appear to affect people that are applying for H1 (work permits) rather than the green cards. It clearly says work visas when it mentions the 140K for Skilled workers. Definitely it appears that the bill favors illegal immigrants and their ability to bring their families. I think that we should have a united voice like the Hispanics. How many indians who have a green card come forward to help others like us that are waiting for years? For all they care, they only think that they have been throught it so they dont really want to help.

How many of us would walk out for a day and protest. We are all doing skilled jobs and some are in very highly technical fields but we dont have anyone that lobbies for our cause. There are so influential Indian immigrants but nobody is willing to take up our cause. The only way our voice can be heard is we garner support from all our fellow immigrants.
 
End_the_wait,

That's exactly why the title I posted " may hurt EB ?" contains a question mark, mister intelligence. Incredible what people writes to look good.

We are here to debate whether the 150K would contain the exemption from dependents or that is a total number. It seems that the proposal not to count spouses would come in addition to the 150K.

However, note that doesn't change the number from ~60% to 30% of visas to skilled immigrants and that continues to be a negative measure in my view.
Also, if they discard the provisions of not counting spouses, I am wondering whether we would be left in disadvantage since now we would get only 30%.


end_the_wait said:
This is another post that goes to prove people believe articles blindly without even analyzing it on their own.

marlon2006 can you tell us how this bill will hurt us when EB1 and EB2 quotas will increase from 40,000 to nearly 120,00(if you include the dependents who are being exmepted)? For EB3-3 it increases from 40,000 to nearly 270,000.
 
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marlon2006 said:
End_the_wait,

That's exactly why the title I posted " may hurt EB ?" contains a question mark, mister intelligence.

We are here to debate whether the 150K would contain the exemption from dependents or that is a total number. It seems that the proposal not to count spouses would come in addition to the 150K.

However, note that doesn't change the number from ~60% to 30% of visas to skilled immigrants and that continues to be a negative measure in my view.


marlon2006

If you see my earlier post in this thread I have stated that posted article is looking into figure of <60% to 30% only for eb1 and eb2 combined and not eb3. Furthermore, if STEM is also implemented then almost everybody from eb1 & eb2 will be covered (and some people from eb3). So eb1 and eb2 will not be loser in that case. eb3 will gain from increase in quota to 30% plus STEM. So all in all, it's balanced for eb1, eb2 & eb3.
 
Thanks pinnu. I was also reading the bill the Hagel-Martinez proposal last night and found some more clues there.


pinnu said:
marlon2006

If you see my earlier post in this thread I have stated that posted article is looking into figure of <60% to 30% only for eb1 and eb2 combined and not eb3. Furthermore, if STEM is also implemented then almost everybody from eb1 & eb2 will be covered (and some people from eb3). So eb1 and eb2 will not be loser in that case. eb3 will gain from increase in quota to 30% plus STEM. So all in all, it's balanced for eb1, eb2 & eb3.
 
marlon2006 said:
End_the_wait,

That's exactly why the title I posted " may hurt EB ?" contains a question mark, mister intelligence. Incredible what people writes to look good.

We are here to debate whether the 150K would contain the exemption from dependents or that is a total number. It seems that the proposal not to count spouses would come in addition to the 150K.

However, note that doesn't change the number from ~60% to 30% of visas to skilled immigrants and that continues to be a negative measure in my view.
Also, if they discard the provisions of not counting spouses, I am wondering whether we would be left in disadvantage since now we would get only 30%.

marlon2006,

First of all. I don't know where you got the figure of 150,000 from. The new total for employment based GCs will become 450,000. Second as per the new bills, skilled immigrants still get 15%+15%+30% =60%. I am not sure how you're defending the 30% quoted by the newspaper. Even if the percentage were to drop from 60% to 30% as per whatever hookey calculation, if the overall numbers of skilled immigrants increase, how does it hurt the skilled immigrants?
 
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