General green card questions...

crazycanadian

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Hi all!
This is my first post here, so please bear with me if the info is here somewhere! ;)

My hubby just got a new job in Florida and they are going to be starting the process for us both to get green cards. We've filled out a questionnaire to give to the lawyers. Currently he's on a work visa (we're both Canadian) and I'm on a spousal visa.

I know there are three stages to getting a GC: the labour certification, the I-140 and the I-485 (right?)

I have a few questions regarding the process:

1. How long does the entire process generally take?

2. At what stage will I legally be able to work in the US (and attend school)?

Any info you can give this newbie will be greatly appreciated!

~ CrazyCanadian
 
crazycanadian said:
Hi all!
This is my first post here, so please bear with me if the info is here somewhere! ;)

My hubby just got a new job in Florida and they are going to be starting the process for us both to get green cards. We've filled out a questionnaire to give to the lawyers. Currently he's on a work visa (we're both Canadian) and I'm on a spousal visa.

I know there are three stages to getting a GC: the labour certification, the I-140 and the I-485 (right?)

I have a few questions regarding the process:

Are you on an H-1B and H-4 visa now???

1. How long does the entire process generally take?
A couple of years for most. With perm in place it will reduce the time for labor certification.
You file the I-140 after labor certification is approved.

2. At what stage will I legally be able to work in the US (and attend school)?
If on an H-4 you can attend school now. You can not work in this case until you can apply for an EAD (work permit), That is not allowed until the I-485 stage.
BY the end of this month there will be NO NEW visa numbers available for EB-3 applicants until the new fiscal year. SO you won't be able to file the I-485 at least until October 1rst.
If he is filing for EB-2 you are OK to file I-485.

Any info you can give this newbie will be greatly appreciated!

~ CrazyCanadian
 
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Hi!
Thanks for your reply.

Right now we are on the TN-1 and TD visas. All the lawyers we have spoken to have told us that these visas are fine to proceed with the green card process. However, my current TD visa does not allow me to attend school at the in-state rate, so I while I can go to school, I'd have to pay a LOT of $$, so we're waiting till I'm allowed through the green card.

I have some more questions:

What does EB-2 and EB-3 mean?

What would be the approximate timeline for the labour certification and I-140 to be done with?

As I mentioned, trying to find out when I can apply to FSU for admissions. I have a feeling that (given the info you mentioned!) I won't be able to go in January!

Thanks again!

~ crazycanadian
 
Ignore my question about EB-2 and EB-3....I've been doing research tonight and found out what they mean! ;)

I am kind of confused though...the USCIS site is kind of contradictory, IMO. In the second paragraph it states that you can file for EB-2 if you have a bachelor's and 5 years experience (which my husband has), yet later down on the same page it says you need to show proof of 10 years experience!

http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/eligibility2.htm

Which is correct?

Thanks again for any help y'all can give me....I'm very new to this whole process, I have a feeling this site will come in handy during the process!

~ crazycanadian
 
crazycanadian said:
Hi!
Thanks for your reply.

Right now we are on the TN-1 and TD visas. All the lawyers we have spoken to have told us that these visas are fine to proceed with the green card process. However, my current TD visa does not allow me to attend school at the in-state rate, so I while I can go to school, I'd have to pay a LOT of $$, so we're waiting till I'm allowed through the green card.

Yes, you can apply for a green card while in TN / TD status. I did, and I have my green card already.

I live in South Florida also. When my wife was on a TD she inquired about applying to FSU, they said that she would need a green card or else she would be charged the out-of-state fees, and she would need a minimum course load of 4 courses per semester, and she would also need to show that she has enough money to support herself. It was too much of a hassle to prove al that, so she left it alone.

So the bad news is that unless you want to go through that hassle, you'll have to wait until your green card is approved, or pay the extra fees, and file the extra paperwork.

As for the timeline, I'll assume your case will be in the Texas Service Center, unless your company is based somewhere else. Get ready for a 2-3 year wait from the time you start your labor certification. Mine process took 4 years and 2 months from day one until I got the card in the mail, but they are going a bit faster these days.
 
"I am kind of confused though...the USCIS site is kind of contradictory, IMO. In the second paragraph it states that you can file for EB-2 if you have a bachelor's and 5 years experience (which my husband has), yet later down on the same page it says you need to show proof of 10 years experience!"

If you are filing for EB-2 the JOBS MINIMUM requirement must be a bachelors and 5 years experience.
If the job's minimum requirements per say are just a bachelors then NO you can not use EB-2.

FOR exceptional ability in the sciences, arts, or business you need the 10 years it says

If "members of the professions holding advanced degrees or their equivalent"
then it's the 5 years.
 
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Thanks y'all!

CuriousGeorge, I'm actually in North Florida, not South Florida. And I knew that they won't accept the TD visa. My husband was previously on an H-1B (consulting company let him go in dec 2002....right after we got the labour cert!) and I was on an H-4. I got my associate's degree from TCC and went to apply to FSU where they told me I would have to pay the out-of-state fees.

No way in hell am I paying $15K instead of $3K. I'm actually currently in Canada, working on my degree from home! ;) But I'm moving back to be with my hubby in August (or sooner, if I need to be in the country when the process starts).

Speaking of that...does anyone know when I might have to be in the US? I know once you start the process (at some point) you have to stay in the US (or not enter, if you're outside!) until the end (or file for travel permissions). My hubby's trying to figure out if I need to come home before August or not...cause there's no way that I'm staying in Canada for a few years!

~ crazycanadian
 
crazycanadian,
You should be in the US with your spouse once he is ready to file the I-485. (ie after the labor certification is approved, and after the I-140 is approved, he can apply for the I-485). That is still a long way away....

BTW, At that point you'll also apply for an EAD which will allow you to work and also an advance parole (a.k.a. "AP") which will allow you to travel. You should not use your TN / TD to travel once you've submitted the I-485, nor should you ever apply to extend your TN / TD after that point, as it will get denied, so make sure your TN / TD is valid for at least 5 months at the time that you file for the I-485, EAD and AP. Hopefully your lawyer will explain all of this to you when the time comes.
 
Curiousgeorge is the king of TN/TD to GC. We were told by our lawyers at the time that we had to go to H1B/H4. If you really want to stay on TN/TD, then you can but just be careful of the dual-intent troubles that Curiousgeorge eludes to. We switched for that reason and also I was tired of driving to the border every year :p
 
Thanks y'all!
My hubby just got a new TN this month so we should be good for a while.

curiousGeorge...since you've already gone through what I'm about to go through, I have a feeling I'll be looking to you for all my questions! ;) Hee hee!

One thing, you mentioned that I would have to be in the US when we file the I-485, which is after the I-140. I thought that it's possible to file both together....am I wrong?

I think I'm heading back to Florida early anyway....my BIL told me yesterday that he's planning to get married in Vegas in early August!

~ crazycanadian
 
crazycanadian said:
One thing, you mentioned that I would have to be in the US when we file the I-485, which is after the I-140. I thought that it's possible to file both together....am I wrong?

That is correct, but it is not recommended to do so when you are adjusting status from TN / TD.

Reason: When you apply for the I-140, I-485, EAD and AP at the same time you have shown immigrant intent simply by submitting the I-485. This means you are no longer eligible to apply for, or extend your TN/ TD status. If your I-140 is denied, your I-485 will automatically be denied by default, and you will be out of status. Since you've shown immigrant intent, you can't get a new TN / TD, and thus you must leave the country ASAP, and you can't even reapply for the I-140, as you will be out of time very quickly.

Reason #2: USCIS may not approve your EAD / AP until the I-140 is approved. This has happened in some cases on this forum, especially if there is a pending RFE on the I-140, then your I-485/EAD/AP are all put on HOLD. If your TN status expires before you get an EAD, then you're still in legal status to be here (I-485 pending status), but you cannot legally work until you get the EAD. You would need to take a leave of absence at work to be on the legal side of the law. The leave of absence would need to clearly document that you are NOT getting paid.

Reason #3: You can only apply for an interim EAD if your I-140 is approved, and your EAD application has been pending for more than 90 days. If your I-140 is not yet approved, and your EAD is not approved either, you can't even get an interim EAD, and your TN will most probably expire by then and you have no choice but take a leave of absence.

If you proceed as I recommended, you should apply for the I-140, and resolve any RFE's you get from that. Make sure it gets approved, and then proceed. If it gets denied, you can always start over, since filing an I-140 does not show immigrant intent, and you can continue to extend your TN / TD.

Once the I-140 is approved, you need to make sure that you have at least 5 months left on your TN BEFORE submitting the I-485/EAD and AP applications. If you do not have 5 months, then do not send the applications yet. You must first apply to extend your TN/TD (lawyers call this re-loading your TN/TD before shooting off your applications), and then you can send the I-485/EAD and AP applications.

At this point you've shown clear immigrant intent. Be forewarned, this is a touchy situation until you get your approved EAD/AP, but not in any shape or form illegal, let me explain. You will be in TN status until it expires, or until you use the AP to re-enter the United States. When ever either even occurs you will be in I-485 pending status, and not in TN status any longer. You can no longer use your TN to enter the United States once you sent the I-485 application, but you can continue to work since you have an unexpired TN. If your EAD does not arrive in 90 days, you can go get an interim EAD at the local office, which may take a few days to get approved. Once you get an EAD (interim or not) this will replace your TN as permission to work. The TD spouse will also get an EAD, and will now have the permission to work.

Do not leave the United States until you get your AP approved. This is critical, or else your entire process will be denied if you try to re-enter using your TN/TD.

Once you get the AP, you can travel, and enter the United States using the AP, and you would be entering in I-485 pending status, not in TN status as you are accustomed to. Never show your old I-94 with the TN stamped on it at this point ever again, only use the AP to enter the US.

So to summarize, yes you can submit your I-140 and your I-485 at the same time, but by doing so your increase your risk by ten fold that if your I-140 has adjudication issues, you could be out of status, or you can't work, and the entire process would be down the tubes. It is not recommended to apply I-140 and I-485 concurrently while in TN status for these reasons.

As I mentioned earlier, a good lawyer should surely be able to explain these pitfalls to be aware that you need to navigate around. There is nothing illegal here, but you just need to be aware of the situation you're in. Most lawyers feel that their clients are not savvy enough, and will screw up own their case by making a wrong move, at the wrong time, and then the lawyer can't even help them get out of their predicament. For this reason they are wary taking a TN to GC case. They would rather have the person switch to an H1B first, since then the lawyer does not have to "baby sit" the client to make sure they don't leave the country, or let their TN expire.

I'm telling you I did it, but at the same time, I was made very aware of what is going on every step of the way by my lawyer, so do not take this method lightly. You, yourself, not the lawyer, nor your employer, need to be on the ball with this one.
 
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