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deputydawg
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I've been for SR and I have the rules and regulations page that was given to every SR candidate. It does not say anywhere that I have to inform INS when i leave the country. It's probably false news or there is something else invloved because all the doctor had to do at the immigration counter was ask for proof in writing that he was supposed to notify INS before his trip. Maybe he hadn't registered in the first place, which should be a justifiable grounds for deportation.
Originally posted by deputydawg
I've been for SR and I have the rules and regulations page that was given to every SR candidate. It does not say anywhere that I have to inform INS when i leave the country. It's probably false news or there is something else invloved because all the doctor had to do at the immigration counter was ask for proof in writing that he was supposed to notify INS before his trip. Maybe he hadn't registered in the first place, which should be a justifiable grounds for deportation.
You are absolutely WRONG!
Read this:
http://www.immigration.gov/graphics/shared/lawenfor/specialreg/allspecialregister.pdf
whatshappening
Registered Users (C)
To some extend gc949 information is correct. I am from SR country and have travelled between the countries many time. The reason the doctor could not enter USA because he didn't get the EXIT stamp on the passport. In fact I know someone who fogot to do the same and BCIS had given him the hard time during the 30 day SR interview. In fact if you read the handout for SR, you will find the note that SR person MUST report at the port of entry before exit. So be careful whenever you leave the coutry, always report your EXIT and have your passport stamped at the Port of Entry.
deputydawg
Registered Users (C)
Guys,
I stand by my claim, nowhere does it say that I have to show up at the INS office and get permission to leave the country. All they ask is when you are about to depart, you inform an immigration authority AT THE PORT OF DEPARTURE that you are leaving. Which means the airport, not an INS office. Which you have to do anyways whether you are an SR candidate or not. How can you leave the country without notifying INS? Unless you are smuggling yourself out of the country, in trucks or digging a hole under the border!!! You are never supposed to leave the country without notifying INS.
Whereas when I someone reenters the country, he HAS to show up at an INS center (not the port of entry), to notify the govt. that he's back.
GCo12002 and dotnetgc, don't create an environment of panic by misreading plain text.
I stand by my claim, nowhere does it say that I have to show up at the INS office and get permission to leave the country. All they ask is when you are about to depart, you inform an immigration authority AT THE PORT OF DEPARTURE that you are leaving. Which means the airport, not an INS office. Which you have to do anyways whether you are an SR candidate or not. How can you leave the country without notifying INS? Unless you are smuggling yourself out of the country, in trucks or digging a hole under the border!!! You are never supposed to leave the country without notifying INS.
Whereas when I someone reenters the country, he HAS to show up at an INS center (not the port of entry), to notify the govt. that he's back.
GCo12002 and dotnetgc, don't create an environment of panic by misreading plain text.
deputydawg
Registered Users (C)
DotnetGC
moreover, the INS officer could not have specifically told you to get your name out of special registration list after adjudication because I had gone for passport stamping last month and nobody took my name out of anything nor was I given the option. If it were that important, a burueacracy such as INS would have written it down and not rely on word of mouth by some officers or depend on the candidate to remember to have it taken off when he goes for stamping.
So instead of creating panic by claiming how essential it is to get your name out of the registration list after GC, it'll be more helpful to use common sense......if one has his physical card and is a PR, then by default he does not need to register, which follows the logic that if his name is still on the registration list, then INS needs to take it off. If they haven't, then fine, just show your green card and say that you've had passport stamped and have all the proper documentation and NOWHERE does it say that GC holders need to register anymore. Case closed.
moreover, the INS officer could not have specifically told you to get your name out of special registration list after adjudication because I had gone for passport stamping last month and nobody took my name out of anything nor was I given the option. If it were that important, a burueacracy such as INS would have written it down and not rely on word of mouth by some officers or depend on the candidate to remember to have it taken off when he goes for stamping.
So instead of creating panic by claiming how essential it is to get your name out of the registration list after GC, it'll be more helpful to use common sense......if one has his physical card and is a PR, then by default he does not need to register, which follows the logic that if his name is still on the registration list, then INS needs to take it off. If they haven't, then fine, just show your green card and say that you've had passport stamped and have all the proper documentation and NOWHERE does it say that GC holders need to register anymore. Case closed.
Originally posted by deputydawg
Guys,
I stand by my claim, nowhere does it say that I have to show up at the INS office and get permission to leave the country. All they ask is when you are about to depart, you inform an immigration authority AT THE PORT OF DEPARTURE that you are leaving. Which means the airport, not an INS office. Which you have to do anyways whether you are an SR candidate or not. How can you leave the country without notifying INS? Unless you are smuggling yourself out of the country, in trucks or digging a hole under the border!!! You are never supposed to leave the country without notifying INS.
Whereas when I someone reenters the country, he HAS to show up at an INS center (not the port of entry), to notify the govt. that he's back.
GCo12002 and dotnetgc, don't create an environment of panic by misreading plain text.
WRONG again!
Page 10 of the PDF file from the INS web site says:
DO I NEED TO REPORT TO THE INS WHEN I LEAVE THE UNITED STATES?
Yes. When you leave the United States, including for visits to Mexico, Canada or adjacent island, you must notify the INS in person on the date of your departure and leave through a designated port. If you do not report your departure, you may be denied admission to the United States at a later date.
The next question there talks about PORTS, not just airport!
If you leave the U.S by car to Canada or Mexico, you report at the INS officer at the borders. At the end of the PDF file, there's a list of INS offices that you can report your departure to. Many of them are not even at the airports!
And let me tell you something - if you are not subject to SR, YES - ABSOLUTELY, you can leave the country without having to inform the INS about your departure, in person. You just give your I-94 to the airline agents. No questions asked!
I've done this many times!
Originally posted by muntasir
Guys,
So when I come back, do I have to report somewhere as deputydawg is suggestion. I thought you were supposed to let them know only your departure not your arrival. In case I have to report my arrival where do i do that.
Thanks a lot.
muntasir
When you come back, the Officer at POE will determine if you are again subject to SR. If you are, at that time, he will tell you what to do (which INS office to report, etc).
This is determined by, for example, if you are still using a non-immigrant visa or Advanced Parole.
AT THIS TIME, Advanced Parole is not subject to SR. Things can always change later though ...
Hmm
Whenever INS released a new rule, they also publish some FAQ.
If you just read the rules or the headline of the rule, you will miss something. You also have to go thru FAQ.
Also, we went for SR, the IIO supposed to tell us the whole thing again like
1) Come back after 1 year if you are subject to at that time
2) Depart thru designated port, inform IIO at the port of exit.
dotnetgc is very right. If INS would goes by logic, our life would be much easier.
Whenever INS released a new rule, they also publish some FAQ.
If you just read the rules or the headline of the rule, you will miss something. You also have to go thru FAQ.
Also, we went for SR, the IIO supposed to tell us the whole thing again like
1) Come back after 1 year if you are subject to at that time
2) Depart thru designated port, inform IIO at the port of exit.
dotnetgc is very right. If INS would goes by logic, our life would be much easier.
Originally posted by dotnetgc
Hi deputydawg,
Please take no hurt feeling from my post. If I offended you I apologize. That been said - then again you are posting misleading info that can put one in jeoparday. Are you reading all the links fellow forum user posting for this issue? I doubt again. I posted what was told to me by the BCIS registration officer. You may be right in your all those logic but you should know better than me that INS doesn't always go by logic and common sence - I wish it did. You will see lot of posting here where INS officer put wrong date in I-94 during arrival and put all those people in total jeopardy - why each time you apply for something like F1->H1B, H1B renewal, I-140 you need to submit all papers like academic cerificated, birth certificates etc that you already submitted once. I can give tens of example where it makes common sence to you and me - doesn't make sence to INS. Congrats you got your gc. You asked why INS officer didn't ask you anything during passport stamping for removing your name - because it should be you who should take the initiative to remove your name from the list by asking them - not the otherway around. Also please read my posting closely I said you need to make appointment with BCIS ( NOT BCIS LOCAL OFFICE) - by BCIS I meant BCIS office at departing port. Please read all the boring pages of the registration again. It might eventually save you from a disaster like that pakistani doctor. If you have no time reading those SR documents - thats fine - just don't preach logic here and put other people in jeopardy. INS DOESN'T GOES BY LOGIC - WE ALL KNOW THAT - DON'T WE?
I absolutely agree with dotnetgc and GC012002 & Sahin too.
SR related documentation specifically says that one has to register INS (at the post) before LEAVIN the US (as they stamp your passport for exit) and the post must be a designated post whether you leave or arrive in US in order to avoid future problems.
Its true that if you get gc after the SR process then you will not be required any further to report for SR process but in the current climate where a person can be doprted on very minor immigration related mistakes, I wud say when you go for gc stamp ask them specifically to remove your name from SR list to avoid any potential future problems.
Originally posted by dotnetgc
Hi deputydawg,
Please take no hurt feeling from my post. If I offended you I apologize. That been said - then again you are posting misleading info that can put one in jeoparday. Are you reading all the links fellow forum user posting for this issue? I doubt again. I posted what was told to me by the BCIS registration officer. You may be right in your all those logic but you should know better than me that INS doesn't always go by logic and common sence - I wish it did. You will see lot of posting here where INS officer put wrong date in I-94 during arrival and put all those people in total jeopardy - why each time you apply for something like F1->H1B, H1B renewal, I-140 you need to submit all papers like academic cerificated, birth certificates etc that you already submitted once. I can give tens of example where it makes common sence to you and me - doesn't make sence to INS. Congrats you got your gc. You asked why INS officer didn't ask you anything during passport stamping for removing your name - because it should be you who should take the initiative to remove your name from the list by asking them - not the otherway around. Also please read my posting closely I said you need to make appointment with BCIS ( NOT BCIS LOCAL OFFICE) - by BCIS I meant BCIS office at departing port. Please read all the boring pages of the registration again. It might eventually save you from a disaster like that pakistani doctor. If you have no time reading those SR documents - thats fine - just don't preach logic here and put other people in jeopardy. INS DOESN'T GOES BY LOGIC - WE ALL KNOW THAT - DON'T WE?
I absolutely agree with dotnetgc and GC012002 too.
SR related documentation specifically says that one has to register INS (at the post) before LEAVIN the US (as they stamp your passport for exit) and the post must be a designated post whether you leave or arrive in US in order to avoid future problems.
Its true that if you get gc after the SR process then you will not be required any further to report for SR process but in the current climate where a person can be doprted on very minor immigration related mistakes, I wud say when you go for gc stamp ask them specifically to remove your name from SR list to avoid any potential future problems.