Entry-exit system

goodsaint

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Hypothetical Question:

There is no I-94 for Permanent residents. If I leave the country for say 16 months and come back. how will they ever know I was out of country for 16 months?
 
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I'll be damned!!! Really!!!

I can only think of the time when you ask for citizenship, they must surely ask you about proof that you actually resided here.
I've never actually found out even an answer to these: what's the longest you can be outside of US without losing your GC? Do you have to maintain your GC and/or citizenship to be eligible for SS (that it, unless it goes belly up)?

Goodsaint, you might be on to something there.

... how I envy guys with GCs....
 
goodsaint said:
Hypothetical Question:

There is no I-94 for Permanent residents. If I leave the country for say 16 months and come back. how will they ever know I was out of country for 16 months?

Firstly the immigration official will ask you how long you have been out of US. If you lie and later they find out, guess what? Martha Stewart is going to jail because she lied to federal officials.

There are ways to find out too. Entry stamps from other countries in your passport is one example.
 
goodsaint said:
Hypothetical Question:

There is no I-94 for Permanent residents. If I leave the country for say 16 months and come back. how will they ever know I was out of country for 16 months?
I believe post 9/11 all of the airlines have to submit electronic passenger manifests to USCIS.
The information on that manifest is extensive -- name. PP#, A#, DOB etc -- sufficient to locate your records...
when you come back in, they scan/swipe your GC at POE - I would expect that they can lookup your travel history right there :)
 
ruxrux said:
I'll be damned!!! Really!!!

I can only think of the time when you ask for citizenship, they must surely ask you about proof that you actually resided here.
I've never actually found out even an answer to these: what's the longest you can be outside of US without losing your GC? Do you have to maintain your GC and/or citizenship to be eligible for SS (that it, unless it goes belly up)?

Goodsaint, you might be on to something there.

... how I envy guys with GCs....


Hopefully you will get your answers from this link sir/madam

http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm
 
Thanks (I'm a sir).

Max2k1 may also be onto something - my son is a US citizen and DOT is asking us to fill out a form for him every time we go out of US and drop it in a "DOT box" before boarding.

Goodsaint, what do you say?
 
my son is US citizen too, nobody asked us to fill out anything (5 months ago).

ruxrux said:
Thanks (I'm a sir).

Max2k1 may also be onto something - my son is a US citizen and DOT is asking us to fill out a form for him every time we go out of US and drop it in a "DOT box" before boarding.

Goodsaint, what do you say?
 
citizenship & travel

golumolu said:
Hopefully you will get your answers from this link sir/madam

http://uscis.gov/graphics/howdoi/PermRes.htm

Hi
In the green card conditions they said that u cannot leave the country for more than a year. also to be elligible for Citizenship you have to dont leave for trip that is more than 6 months and the accumulation of all periods outside has to be less than 30 months. following those condition i left the US couple of years ago to study abraod and i paid attention to dont break those rules. when i came back i applied for citizenship but i find out that beeing outside the US without braking those rules will not allow u to have citizenship.

If the INS stated it clearly that you cannot leave the country to get citizenship may be peoples will not travel and they will not have any problem in getting this citizenship.
but what they said is that u can travel but come back every 6 months and dont exceed 30 months in total period outside USA and in the end they argue to give u citizenship.

what do youthink guys about that?
 
So you say that in the 5 years prior to applying for naturalization, you were never out of US for more than 6 months, 30 total and they didn't give you citizenship?
 
BCIS in Vegas didn't take any documents from me other than my approval notice, still have my I-94, AP and EAD. Do I surrender my I-94 when I travel?
 
Nope! You are no longer in the I94 game. If you are worried and want to do something you can always mail the I94 in, (I think). Best solution offcourse is to do nothing.
 
140_takes_4ever said:
Nope! You are no longer in the I94 game. If you are worried and want to do something you can always mail the I94 in, (I think). Best solution offcourse is to do nothing.

mucho gracias, I'll take ur advise and do nothing
 
goodsaint said:
Hypothetical Question:

There is no I-94 for Permanent residents. If I leave the country for say 16 months and come back. how will they ever know I was out of country for 16 months?

There is no I-94, its true. But when you have GC, airlines wll ask you fill-up a form at the time of depurture. You have to mention all the info - A#, name, passport number etc. It became mandatory after 9/11. Just like I-94 I don't know what they do with those forms - whther they feed those info in their system or just throw in trash.
 
And you guys thought it is all over once you get a US permanent residency a.k.a. GC hmmmm (just kidding...)
 
pralay said:
There is no I-94, its true. But when you have GC, airlines wll ask you fill-up a form at the time of depurture. You have to mention all the info - A#, name, passport number etc. It became mandatory after 9/11. Just like I-94 I don't know what they do with those forms - whther they feed those info in their system or just throw in trash.

My wife and son recently traveled out of US and were never asked to fill out any form by the airline. We all have GCs. I am not sure what form you are talking about.
 
ruxrux said:
It's for US citizens only, I think.
I doubt that ... after wouldn't being a citizen guarantee you the right to move freely in and out of the US ....

It might make sense getting this info to track non-citizens ...

On the other hand, the electronic passenger manifests that airlines have to submit to the DHS is very detailed and has pretty much all the info for a passenger -- but am sure they won't "target" just the citizens ...
if anything, I think citizens would be the last group asked to fill some inane form !
 
Originally Posted by pralay
There is no I-94, its true. But when you have GC, airlines wll ask you fill-up a form at the time of depurture. You have to mention all the info - A#, name, passport number etc. It became mandatory after 9/11. Just like I-94 I don't know what they do with those forms - whther they feed those info in their system or just throw in trash.
Pralay,

Not sure where you got that information, but I can tell you we din't do it for my wife (who is a permanant resident), when we went to France a couple of months ago. I submitted my I-94, they checked her green card and that was it.
 
nkm-oct23 said:
Firstly the immigration official will ask you how long you have been out of US. If you lie and later they find out, guess what? Martha Stewart is going to jail because she lied to federal officials.

There are ways to find out too. Entry stamps from other countries in your passport is one example.

Good analogy. Consequences will be different but not hard as sentence.
 
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