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vartika_singg
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softwareart
did u find out anything about softwareart..about their reputation etc...
I am also planning to join them....ur inputs will be very valuable...regards
vartika
did u find out anything about softwareart..about their reputation etc...
I am also planning to join them....ur inputs will be very valuable...regards
vartika
nikkikedia
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SoftwareArt
Dear Ankita,
I am a Director of SoftwareArt USA. Since you decided to use a public forum to voice your opinions i thought I will reply the same way and not your personal email.
First of all I am sorry that you had a bad experience with our Mumbai office and I will make sure if your claims are true you get an apology.
Here are a couple of points on your posting. Either you are misleading people with this or you just made an error.
1- Your offer letter says clearly 55k with 50k as base and 5 k as year end bonus. It also clearly spells out that you will get a raise in in 6 months of your joining the project.
2. The TRAP If it was a trap we would never write in your initial offer letter and give you a surprise -- Company spends an average of $5000 in the first year of employment and many other hidden cost so if there is a clause of $10000 on the offer letter it is in black and white and not a trap.
You not wanting to join the company is totally understandable no matter what your reason is. The HR mis behaving with you as per your posting is also not acceptable. But then when you start misrepresenting information I don't think that is fair either. I have a .pdf copy of your offer letter and can post it at your request on any forum.
Please post the corrections as you are misrepresenting and also towards the end assuming if we will be able to pay you a salary or not. If the HR guy was wrong in his email I don't see anything right about your posting either.
you can reach me at any time : nicky@softwareart.com
Dear Ankita,
I am a Director of SoftwareArt USA. Since you decided to use a public forum to voice your opinions i thought I will reply the same way and not your personal email.
First of all I am sorry that you had a bad experience with our Mumbai office and I will make sure if your claims are true you get an apology.
Here are a couple of points on your posting. Either you are misleading people with this or you just made an error.
1- Your offer letter says clearly 55k with 50k as base and 5 k as year end bonus. It also clearly spells out that you will get a raise in in 6 months of your joining the project.
2. The TRAP If it was a trap we would never write in your initial offer letter and give you a surprise -- Company spends an average of $5000 in the first year of employment and many other hidden cost so if there is a clause of $10000 on the offer letter it is in black and white and not a trap.
You not wanting to join the company is totally understandable no matter what your reason is. The HR mis behaving with you as per your posting is also not acceptable. But then when you start misrepresenting information I don't think that is fair either. I have a .pdf copy of your offer letter and can post it at your request on any forum.
Please post the corrections as you are misrepresenting and also towards the end assuming if we will be able to pay you a salary or not. If the HR guy was wrong in his email I don't see anything right about your posting either.
you can reach me at any time : nicky@softwareart.com
nikkikedia said:
Well, as far I understand nowhere Ankita metioned that her offer letter specified incorrect salary amount. Rather she mentioned "agreement". I am not saying Ankita is correct and you are wrong, but just not sure what "agreement" said.
nikkikedia said:
You can find a sweeter word for kind of agreement (instead of "trap"), but atleast I hope you understand that it's very unfair to reimburse employment expense from employee. In a fair employment, initial expense (new computer, furniture, training, travel/moving costs etc) is part of the equation in hiring a new person.
nikkikedia said:
It's a pubic forum and anyone has his/her right to voice opinion - whether it's correct, incorrect or misleading. Fair enough?
ankita_singh_10
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To Nicky
Dear Mr. Nicky Kedia,
I do know you are part of Softwareart.I have seen your name somewhere on offer letter/contract i guess, not very sure.
After the conversation with Rakesh, I am not very comfortable dealing with anyone at Softwareart. I am really, disgusted with his behaviour and was planning to come down to your office in NJ when I reach there this tuesday.
I revisited the offer letter. yes, annual compensation is 50 k and 5 k is yr end performance bonus. but this has to be told to me initially, and not upon all the discussion and upon sending the agreement. do u think, that Softwareart cannot hold an employee for a year unless because of money. and if it is so, why doesnt the HR tell the employee while discussing the salary and why they tell it at the end while confirming when the employee has already zeroed in on the company and made up his mind. Do you think it is fair enough.
i consider it as trap because you are already expecting the employee to give a bank gurantee of 90 k for damages in case the employee does not join you or leaves the organisation within one year. again, this thing was not told to me in initial discussions. if you are reserving the right to claim 10,000 $ from the employee , in that case why are you taking the bank gurantee.
In fact no company expects the employee to pay anything if he leaves. I have been working for close to six yrs and have even my h1 stamped and have never come across this situation ever.Also, the thing about bank gurantee is not mentioned anywhere in the agreement letter. Why is it so ?
I have not misinterpreted any information. With this kind of scenario, anyone would expect that the company is not fair in its dealings. and the same applies to me and everybody else. we have heard many stories of people claiming they have not been paid by their employer. and it is very justified for me to think alike.I still am of the opinion, that any employee who joins softwareart cannot expect fair HR policies.
A company is always known by its HR people & policies. And I was very very disgusted to find Rakesh behaving like this. When I first interacted with him, I found him very professional. and the same thing i recommended, when i wrote him a mail telling him my inability to join. But the next few mails which he sent from some other id, he became sarcastic/personal/treatning which I had never expected any HR to do.
Dear Mr. Nicky Kedia,
I do know you are part of Softwareart.I have seen your name somewhere on offer letter/contract i guess, not very sure.
After the conversation with Rakesh, I am not very comfortable dealing with anyone at Softwareart. I am really, disgusted with his behaviour and was planning to come down to your office in NJ when I reach there this tuesday.
I revisited the offer letter. yes, annual compensation is 50 k and 5 k is yr end performance bonus. but this has to be told to me initially, and not upon all the discussion and upon sending the agreement. do u think, that Softwareart cannot hold an employee for a year unless because of money. and if it is so, why doesnt the HR tell the employee while discussing the salary and why they tell it at the end while confirming when the employee has already zeroed in on the company and made up his mind. Do you think it is fair enough.
i consider it as trap because you are already expecting the employee to give a bank gurantee of 90 k for damages in case the employee does not join you or leaves the organisation within one year. again, this thing was not told to me in initial discussions. if you are reserving the right to claim 10,000 $ from the employee , in that case why are you taking the bank gurantee.
In fact no company expects the employee to pay anything if he leaves. I have been working for close to six yrs and have even my h1 stamped and have never come across this situation ever.Also, the thing about bank gurantee is not mentioned anywhere in the agreement letter. Why is it so ?
I have not misinterpreted any information. With this kind of scenario, anyone would expect that the company is not fair in its dealings. and the same applies to me and everybody else. we have heard many stories of people claiming they have not been paid by their employer. and it is very justified for me to think alike.I still am of the opinion, that any employee who joins softwareart cannot expect fair HR policies.
A company is always known by its HR people & policies. And I was very very disgusted to find Rakesh behaving like this. When I first interacted with him, I found him very professional. and the same thing i recommended, when i wrote him a mail telling him my inability to join. But the next few mails which he sent from some other id, he became sarcastic/personal/treatning which I had never expected any HR to do.
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donkeykong
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Any good company that has a decent work culture will never require an employee do any of the above, because the company knows that the employees wont ditch em.
The fact that a company would require an employee to get into a binding contract is a clear indication that the company is screwed up in some way.
I have worked with 4companies in the US and 3 companies in India and none have ever asked me to sign any kind of a binding contract. other than the fact that i should return the "signon" bonus that the company paid me on the 1st day of my employment, if I leave the company within X months ( where i "think" X == 3 ).
Btw, the hr manager told me abt the signon bonus thing upfront, the first time i ever met him ( *before* my first interview ) when he was explaining things about the company... I did NOT have to discover it in a fine print on a 12 page employment contract that gets presented after the company has made up their mind about hiring the employee.
The fact that a company would require an employee to get into a binding contract is a clear indication that the company is screwed up in some way.
I have worked with 4companies in the US and 3 companies in India and none have ever asked me to sign any kind of a binding contract. other than the fact that i should return the "signon" bonus that the company paid me on the 1st day of my employment, if I leave the company within X months ( where i "think" X == 3 ).
Btw, the hr manager told me abt the signon bonus thing upfront, the first time i ever met him ( *before* my first interview ) when he was explaining things about the company... I did NOT have to discover it in a fine print on a 12 page employment contract that gets presented after the company has made up their mind about hiring the employee.
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outletvolt1
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Something tells me that this thread is rigged and bogus.
