EB2-EB3-India after 2003, what is the proper approach

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techy2468

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i wanted to discuss the plan of people who are in EB3-EB2 with pd of 2004 onwards.

mine is aug 2005- eb3-india. (in case people remember my old posts, my wife is EB1 about to file.......but we are not 100% certain of her approval)

but my PERM got approved and i have not file I-140 yet....it somehow does not makes any sense since i am certain i cannot stick with this employer for 4-5 years.

my plan is to work in H1 for the next 2-3 years......save around $200k and then go back to india (assuming i will get around 8% interest, returns of around Rs. 50K, which should be enough for a family of three, to live a decent life...i will try to get a job but i dont want to depend on it again)


those of you with PD before of 2003, it makes perfect sense to hang on for another 2-3 years....since you have already spent so much time and energy for this process.....and you get lucky if there is a legislation which can expedite your case....

but those of you in the same boat as mine....can you please share whats going on in your mind....what are your plans??

i may change my mind if i can find a direct client who will sponsor my H1, and i get some job satisfaction, and the management is reasonable enough towards its employees.
 
My 2 cents

I have a PD of October 2005 - similar to yours. I am mentally prepared to go back. I know that I will get a good job after going back to India. Even a starting salary of 12 lakhs/year is possible. I have 3 years experience in the US. And an advanced degree.

I am still single so have time on my hands. I am still going to try for a couple of years to get my GC. If lucky, I'll get it. If not, home is always there. My family is there. I think I can save more money in India than in the US. But what is going to happen in two years is anybody's guess. When I graduated in India, the IT slowdown in India had made it tough to get a decent job. When I graduated in the US, things were bad here. My friends in India are making good money and their savings percentage is very high. About 60-70% of net income can be saved. Their salary raises are around 20-30%, which is excellent. Of course, there are negatives too like overpopulation, corruption and a crumbling infrastructure. But I guess, we Indians complain the least and have a high tolerance level. So we get-by.

It would be nice to hear what my fellow countrymen/women are thinking. I'd even like to hear what the Chinese are thinking about China.
 
WOW, my PD is 05/2005. I am on H1B from 06/2001. Anual Income is $45K.
Saving so far about $10K. Married. Ok, I am a looser.
 
thanks for sharing your thoughts...i am sorry that i forgot about chinese people.....they are also in the same boat...pleas all feel free to comment...

msh626: I think if we can find good employers who also sponsor H1 visa, it may solve the major problem......which in my case is that 50% of my billing is eaten by my employer....and a middle recruiting agency...., which makes me very expensive to the client...and they become touchy...which makes for a bad working condition.

I am in alabama, and things are pretty slow over here....all the jobs in the last 30 days are for american/Gc holders......since they are looking for perm-hire.

i am kind of settled with the work environment over here, and i was not fortunate to get a good environment in india(5 years back)...thats why i am not too eager to depend on my salary in india......i will try to get some good work....but will not compromise a lot to keep the job (petty politics etc..).

ours is a two income no dependent family hence we are able to save a little more than other....(my spouse is in health research...so she does not make a fortune...otherwise i would have gone back to india by now.....or i would have bought a substitute-LC by paying $25k :D).
 
Options, options!

msh626 said:
I have a PD of October 2005 - similar to yours. I am mentally prepared to go back. I know that I will get a good job after going back to India. Even a starting salary of 12 lakhs/year is possible. I have 3 years experience in the US. And an advanced degree.

I am still single so have time on my hands. I am still going to try for a couple of years to get my GC. If lucky, I'll get it. If not, home is always there. My family is there. I think I can save more money in India than in the US. But what is going to happen in two years is anybody's guess. When I graduated in India, the IT slowdown in India had made it tough to get a decent job. When I graduated in the US, things were bad here. My friends in India are making good money and their savings percentage is very high. About 60-70% of net income can be saved. Their salary raises are around 20-30%, which is excellent. Of course, there are negatives too like overpopulation, corruption and a crumbling infrastructure. But I guess, we Indians complain the least and have a high tolerance level. So we get-by.

It would be nice to hear what my fellow countrymen/women are thinking. I'd even like to hear what the Chinese are thinking about China.
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Any foreign citizen who marries a US citizen gets a Green Card immediately! Not suggesting anything, but that is a good option for somebody who is not married!
 
Bravo!

aquagemini said:
I did my 2 years in India after spending 6 years as a physician (trainee)on J visa in NY, recently joined H visa job. Here are the scenarios and my ongoing thought process

1. spending 2 years in India helped me realized that yes life in several ways is much better in India.

2. People in India are making more money than 10-15 years ago but prices of goods and commodities have gone up too specially in bigger cities. The inflated cost of living cuts through the advantage of a larger pay packet

3. Wether it is India or abroad, employers have no race/religion, everyone's goal is to get the maximum out of an employee. However the American employers do not tend to exploit as much as a Desi employer (personal experiences of friends and family)

4. There is no fun in all the money in bank when you can not enjoy it. With or without money life is pretty monotonous in these United States (malls-fast food-movies-nature hikes-even theatre and shows will not bring the same delight as one trip on scooter to the corner "Kachchi Dhabeli" shop will)

5. OK so earn and return? No it does not work that way, by the time you think you have had enough (money and otherwise) you realize that your kids are no loger tough enough to survive any kind of competition with a billion of fellow indians. And don't think privately brought education is cheap in India.

6. I have done my PERM, still undecided about filing I-140, but eventually I will. And when H visa limit ends I will go to India for a year and reset my clock. I guess people in my situation have no choice but to keep working one way or other. Even with retrogression immigration will happen though not right away. Think of all those people who wait 10-15 years for family sponsored immigration. We at least can work while we wait.

this is a great thread to reflect, thanks for starting it
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Bravo, Doctor!
You are the second physician that I have personally heard of who followed this route to J-1 restrictions.
But, it is not easy to return. Of course, a lot depends on what you are returning to. Many physicians get so accustomed to the work environment during their extensive training (anywhere from 3 to 6-7 years)that it may be tough to even consider going back. Many just quietly toe the line in Waiver jobs - which pay okay, though not as much you could make for yourself or on non-waiver jobs in other markets. Waiver jobs are not really hardships.
I also welcome this thread about reflection, but I firmly believe that some relief from Retrogression will actually happen before the summer!
Please vote with your wallets at Immigration Voice - it may be soundest political contribution that you may ever make!
Good luck, Dr and everybody!
 
Yes, I am aware that if one marries a US citizen, one can get a GC. But I would never marry for a GC. If love happens, then fine. But I would not marry for GC. I'd rather go back to India. I am not so desparate. I have seen many people do that, but I think life is more than a GC. And in my opinion that(marrying for a GC) is a cheap thing to do.

I'll marry for love, not for a GC.
 
You are right!

msh626 said:
Yes, I am aware that if one marries a US citizen, one can get a GC. But I would never marry for a GC. If love happens, then fine. But I would not marry for GC. I'd rather go back to India. I am not so desparate. I have seen many people do that, but I think life is more than a GC. And in my opinion that(marrying for a GC) is a cheap thing to do.

I'll marry for love, not for a GC.
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A GC is a GC, but marriage is marriage!
Best wishes, you have your thoughts on the right track!
 
Right now I have two biggest concerns in the US other than my GC of course
1: Finding a nice girl to marry prefarably on F-1/H-1
2: Saving some money. Last year was really bad in that aspect. I hardly saved anything. Hope that 2006 is better. It's expensive near Washington, DC. And salary raises are around 2-3%. In India it is 20-30%. Who says that 0's don't matter? ;)

I need to make progress on both fronts this year :)
 
Iam making around 70K. I am an oracle DBA ...DO u think it is reasonable.
I have around 50K savings and have a house in India... Can I go back to India and survive?

I have two kids!!
 
Consider getting a Hike !!

zain said:
Iam making around 70K. I am an oracle DBA ...DO u think it is reasonable.
I have around 50K savings and have a house in India... Can I go back to India and survive?

I have two kids!!
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Dude, If you are an Oracle DBA and making 70K, consider getting a hike. Assuming that you have 50K savings making that salary over the past 5 years or so, then your saving record is very impressive. How did you do that ? :confused:
 
MalikLabor
45K is not much, but more than that it depends where you live. You can easily get by on 45K if you are in the middle of nowhere. But if you were on the West Coast, in New England, NYC, near the DC area or Chicago then 45K is very low.

Zain:
Your savings are very impressive. Congratulations! Well you can survive in India with your savings. But you probably want to live a decent life rather than just survive. So I would say 100K in savings is good enough. The more the better obviously. You already have a house. If you want another house then you need $150K, then you can live a comfortable existence in India. Also, it depends where you want to live in India. Bombay, Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad, and Chennai are expensive. Smaller cities are cheaper and one doesn't need that much money.
 
Zain:
Your savings are very impressive. Congratulations! Well you can survive in India with your savings. But you probably want to live a decent life rather than just survive. So I would say 100K in savings is good enough. The more the better obviously. You already have a house. If you want another house then you need $150K, then you can live a comfortable existence in India. Also, it depends where you want to live in India. Bombay, Delhi, Bangalore, Hyderabad, and Chennai are expensive. Smaller cities are cheaper and one doesn't need that much money.[/QUOTE]


I could save because me wife is a pharmacist. I am in process of filing I-140 and my W-2 for the past 2 years are 24,669 and 23,220 resp (because of bench)

While we filed in EB-2 and my wages in LC shows 67,889 per year. My attorney says I might get RFE.:mad: :( That is why we are planing India as a backup.....
 
techy2468 said:
my plan is to work in H1 for the next 2-3 years......save around $200k and then go back to india (assuming i will get around 8% interest, returns of around Rs. 50K, which should be enough for a family of three, to live a decent life...i will try to get a job but i dont want to depend on it again)
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Man wait a minute. Will you be able to save $200K in 2-3 years????
What is your salary $300K per annum?
Or are you planning to loot a bank?

Only possibility is you alredy have some $150K saved.

neocor
 
I am in Austin, TX and I got all my education from average institutes from home country.
No US Degree at all. Becasue I am with cunsulting/staffing company and they are doing my GC, I can not switch company and they get really heavy amount from where I am working and give me little amount.
 
the thing that bothers me most......is being chained to the job....for me the ultimate happiness will be financial independence so that i dont have to ever work for money only...

BTW i am almost in final stages of my australian immigration(accidently/half heartedly started 3 years ago....)....but i am not much excited about it....since i had a bad time in 2002 when in was in australia looking for a job....could not get even an interview..

if things are better in australia....and if i can get a job easily i may go over there and stick there unless their economy goes bust again (they have a flimsy economy, aussie wont like this comment...but cant help it, i am comparing them to USA)
 
you know....i am totally off mark on that one....i did not do much math....just a wild number..

well i do not have 150k right now....but i think i have around 50k....

my current savings are around $3000/month....(two income, no dependent) i think if we calculate now.....it should take 4 years to reach my goal.....if i consider the interest i may make it few months before..
 
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techy:
You have fingers in many pies. Why do you worry. Surely, your wife EB-1 will get thru and you will be a free bird. It is only a matter of time before EB-1 becomes current.

And to all others, please avoid putting in your salary figures. Such info. should always be private.
 
thanks msh.......EB1 is plan A , aussie is Plan B ....and i dont like the plan C much......which is working like a machine and saving as much as possible....and going back after 3-4 years.....(4 years if with same salary.....3 year if i dont care for GC and find good paying jobs with american-visa-sponsoring-recruiting-firms.
 
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