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unclejezza

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I got selected for the DV OC with case number 3,250. I am already in the USA on an E-3 Australian work visa so I was going to do an AOS.

My question is that in the past, you can see that the cut offs are very low and I am way too far at the end of the line.

I want to know if anyone was ever lucky with 3 months left before the end of the process while in the status of Current if they got the Greencard? What are my chances?

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unclejezza said:
I want to know if anyone was ever lucky with 3 months left before the end of the process while in the status of Current if they got the Greencard?
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Yes. Plenty.

We need to know how many selectees there were and some idea of holes before being able to say how high this number is.
 
Hi Susie - I've done plenty of research and apologies if this is annoying.
I am already in America on an E-3 Visa (Work Visa which expires in May 2021 and that I will renew).
I already, sadly, filled out the DS-260 for an AOS because I had no idea about all the CASE NUMBERS and stuff until having a huge depressing and sever depressive reality this morning that things are not what they seem...

I am Case Number Oceanic 3,250. That is probably the very last person.

Do you think 2-3 months of current status means I could get it?
 
unclejezza said:
I already, sadly, filled out the DS-260 for an AOS because I had no idea about all the CASE NUMBERS and stuff until having a huge depressing and sever depressive reality this morning that things are not what they seem...
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Hi,
2021OC21xx here.
I have the same circumstances regarding the E3 and similar expiry (Sep 2021).
To confirm. Have you submitted the DS-260? Because that might cause a mess with immigrant intent on the E3.
 
unclejezza said:
Do you think 2-3 months of current status means I could get it?
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considering it’s been enough time for many others - yes. Remember you can also use early filing so you are not waiting until the actual current month to file.
 
unclejezza said:
Unfortunately I did.
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Where is my facepalm emoji. You took a screenprint from my blog, so you must have been on my blog and perhaps seen me saying no need to rush the DS260 - so why on earth did you feel the need to submit that fast????

3250 is high. I was expecting a high selectee year sooner or later, and this might be it. We won't know until the per country numbers are published which will probably be in July. Having said that, the new strategy that caused a massive holes rate in OC is probably still there, so that would mean around 75% holes.

The video below is just uploading and will help explain that, but to be clear, 2021OC3250 must be high, and therefore somewhat risky.

 
I had NO idea about what a Case Number was before all of this. I had literally NO IDEA. I read the letter and I spoke to my immigration attorney who suggested to do an AOS - but she had never done a Diversity Lottery before. The day after I won, after celebrating... my whole world has come crashing down... Not only did I not win... I HAVE F*(#$D IT UP FOR ME TO RENEW MY WORK VISA........

I'm very very stressed and angry at the moment.
 
unclejezza said:
I had NO idea about what a Case Number was before all of this. I had literally NO IDEA. I read the letter and I spoke to my immigration attorney who suggested to do an AOS - but she had never done a Diversity Lottery before. The day after I won, after celebrating... my whole world has come crashing down... Not only did I not win... I HAVE F*(#$D IT UP FOR ME TO RENEW MY WORK VISA........

I'm very very stressed and angry at the moment.
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Yeah I feel horrible for you as you've drastically limited your options... and it's rough but also important to know just how much.
Showing immigrant intent (via the DS-260) will 100% cause issues renewing the E3... also B2 (tourist) and the visa waiver do not allow dual intent.

CBP at a port of entry don't just send anyone with a visa through. They also make a determination of immigrant intent which could stop you from reentering the US on your current E3. They make that determination based on questions they ask so tread carefully, but it would be well within their guidelines to deny you entry from now on for showing immigrant intent.

Also the immigration attorney needs to pick a new career. A grievous error.

Just have to wait for more information over the next 12 months as the numbers roll out.
 
Salty said:
Yeah I feel horrible for you as you've drastically limited your options... and it's rough but also important to know just how much.
Showing immigrant intent (via the DS-260) will 100% cause issues renewing the E3... also B2 (tourist) and the visa waiver do not allow dual intent.

CBP at a port of entry don't just send anyone with a visa through. They also make a determination of immigrant intent which could stop you from reentering the US on your current E3. They make that determination based on questions they ask so tread carefully, but it would be well within their guidelines to deny you entry from now on for showing immigrant intent.

Also the immigration attorney needs to pick a new career. A grievous error.

Just have to wait for more information over the next 12 months as the numbers roll out.
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I think you’re overreacting somewhat here. Yes it could be a problem, but people have successfully renewed non immigrant visas after showing immigrant intent before too. Details matter.

As for the lawyer, she should simply have said she has no DV experience so can‘t advise, Unfortunately we’ve seen too many examples on this forum of this lack of experience not stopping lawyers.
 
Salty said:
Yeah I feel horrible for you as you've drastically limited your options... and it's rough but also important to know just how much.
Showing immigrant intent (via the DS-260) will 100% cause issues renewing the E3... also B2 (tourist) and the visa waiver do not allow dual intent.

CBP at a port of entry don't just send anyone with a visa through. They also make a determination of immigrant intent which could stop you from reentering the US on your current E3. They make that determination based on questions they ask so tread carefully, but it would be well within their guidelines to deny you entry from now on for showing immigrant intent.

Also the immigration attorney needs to pick a new career. A grievous error.

Just have to wait for more information over the next 12 months as the numbers roll out.
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I agree with Susie - you are both overreacting. It is NOT "100% certain" to cause issues for NIV renewal, and it is not certain to be too high. Both of you, calm down. Getting wound up at this point is just as unwise as filing your DS260 too fast. Just slow down, breathe and let's see the numbers for a start. If you don't get the DV and need to renew, FOs don't take the DS260 as a knock out punch. It's a factor for consideration, but plenty of people have successfully managed to show they will abide by the rules and return home at the end of the NIV. RELAX!
 
Britsimon said:
I agree with Susie - you are both overreacting. It is NOT "100% certain" to cause issues for NIV renewal, and it is not certain to be too high. Both of you, calm down. Getting wound up at this point is just as unwise as filing your DS260 too fast. Just slow down, breathe and let's see the numbers for a start. If you don't get the DV and need to renew, FOs don't take the DS260 as a knock out punch. It's a factor for consideration, but plenty of people have successfully managed to show they will abide by the rules and return home at the end of the NIV. RELAX!
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Good news then. Glad it's not the hit that I thought it was.
I suppose that does make sense though. Say an immigrant visa application is made in 2020 and never used then it would be silly for officials to still see that as immigrant intent 20 years later.

Would you two still take a bet on gaining entry with a NIV after international travel though? In the next year or so?
 
Salty said:
Good news then. Glad it's not the hit that I thought it was.
I suppose that does make sense though. Say an immigrant visa application is made in 2020 and never used then it would be silly for officials to still see that as immigrant intent 20 years later.

Would you two still take a bet on gaining entry with a NIV after international travel though? In the next year or so?
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Gaining entry on an existing NIV - yes - no brainer. Very small chance of an IO making a big deal about that. Technically possible, but very small chance.
 
Britsimon said:
Gaining entry on an existing NIV - yes - no brainer. Very small chance of an IO making a big deal about that. Technically possible, but very small chance.
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Just to add though. Anyone that is asked needs to be 100% honest with the IO. You don't want to gain entry based on false statements.
 
Salty said:
Good news then. Glad it's not the hit that I thought it was.
I suppose that does make sense though. Say an immigrant visa application is made in 2020 and never used then it would be silly for officials to still see that as immigrant intent 20 years later.

Would you two still take a bet on gaining entry with a NIV after international travel though? In the next year or so?
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Just as an aside, I’ve personally entered the US on a B visa with not one but two parallel immigrant visa cases in progress - one of which had been begun when I got the visa itself renewed a couple years prior. Like I said before, individual details matter.
 
Britsimon said:
Just to add though. Anyone that is asked needs to be 100% honest with the IO. You don't want to gain entry based on false statements.
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Understood. I've had a few interesting run-ins with IOs using my NIV so that's why I asked. Although I'll add, they have never mentioned or asked anything about immigrant intent.

Alleviates one of the worries I've had about the application process.
 
@unclejezza I have recently stumbled across something that may give you a small glimmer of hope.

I don't know if this is current. Nor have I seen the same in any DOS manual. I may be completely wrong about this, so please don't deduce anything without any expert opinion.

Having said that, check this out:
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/policymanual/afm/afm34-external.pdf

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An application for initial admission, change of status or extension of stay in E-3 classification, however, may not be denied solely on the basis of an approved request for permanent labor certification or a filed or approved immigrant visa preference petition.
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damo1089 said:
@unclejezza I have recently stumbled across something that may give you a small glimmer of hope.

I don't know if this is current. Nor have I seen the same in any DOS manual. I may be completely wrong about this, so please don't deduce anything without any expert opinion.

Having said that, check this out:
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/policymanual/afm/afm34-external.pdf

Proceed to page 14.
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Exactly. It’s an indication but whether or not a finding of immigrant intent can be made depends on the person’s individual circumstances.
 
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