Does NOT reporting traffic violation matters for citizenship application?

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AmericanWannabe

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I asked many people who are in the process of applying for citizenship
if they report their traffic violation on their form. None of them
did. Either they do not know they need to or they are too reluctant
to do it anyway and do not think it matters.

It is not that I am a jealous person who want to see
others people get into trouble and enjoy it. But
I am really disappointed that after we all go thru in this
form about having to report traffic violation
but it does not matter in the real world.

How do we lobby USCIS to take this matter
seriously?
 
So if one dislose material facts, one does not get citizenship.
if one does not disclose non-material facts, one still get
citizenship.

So where is the reward for being honest and penealty for lying?
 
AmericanWannabe said:
It is not that I am a jealous person who want to see others people get into trouble and enjoy it.
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Real world does not work that way. You don't determine what should be enforeced and what should not.

I would like to see every person should get speeding ticket when he/she do speeding. And that require employing 500 more cops in my city. Now, for the purpose of employing 500 more cops, if propery tax of my city increses to double next year, probably I will be first person to be outraged. So, it's very easy to wish something, but practicality is what matters in real world.

Now, USCIS can go after every citizenship application and check every traffic ticket and hence make a big issue out of it (that includes dragging those cases into immigration court, if applicants appeal). Probably you will be the first to be upset if N-400 filing fee doubles for that reason.
 
You guys are missing the point here...don't question the city/county traffic law...it is not OK to break the law even if you don't like it the law...

There are people who steal, and never got stealing...so does that make it ok to steal?

The same goes for the N-400 application. You can hide information and get away with it...it still does not make it right.
I know of a person who got denaturalized and his citizenship taken away for lying on the citizenship application...guess what question....Have you
ever claimed to be a U.S. citizen?

Read this story from the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/12/AR2005061201441_pf.html
 
harvydonald said:
The same goes for the N-400 application. You can hide information and get away with it...it still does not make it right.
I know of a person who got denaturalized and his citizenship taken away for lying on the citizenship application...guess what question....Have you
ever claimed to be a U.S. citizen?
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Falsely claiming to be a US citizen is always a very serious deportable
offense without a chance for waiver (though I know a case that it
still does not matter and the offenders was actually a hero
in US government at least in eyes of many congressmen
because he used his firend's US passport to enter his own
country which deny his entry for political reasons). So it is not
comparable to hiding traffic tickets violations.
 
AmericanWannabe
Falsely claiming to be a US citizen is not a serious deportable offence...it is not an automatic denial of citizenship...like the case you quote.
Lying on the Citizenship application is a serious offence....

That is the line they go after cause it is easy to catch...
Before 9/11 people did not think twice about that question...it is only after 9/11 they started using that widely.
Who knows...they will start using the traffic voilations in a similar fashion....
 
harvydonald said:
AmericanWannabe
Falsely claiming to be a US citizen is not a serious deportable offence...it is not an automatic denial of citizenship...like the case you quote.
Lying on the Citizenship application is a serious offence....

That is the line they go after cause it is easy to catch...
Before 9/11 people did not think twice about that question...it is only after 9/11 they started using that widely.
Who knows...they will start using the traffic voilations in a similar fashion....
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It is a serious crime without a chance for waiver. and it is made
deportable explicitly by the congress.
It is common knowledge.
 
JoeF said:
Not completely true. INA 212 allows for a waiver in certain circumstances:
"(ii) 9/ FALSELY CLAIMING CITIZENSHIP-
(I) IN GENERAL- Any alien who falsely represents, or has falsely represented, himself or herself to be a citizen of the United States for any purpose or benefit under this Act (including section 274A) or any other Federal or State law is inadmissible.
(II) EXCEPTION- In the case of an alien making a representation described in subclause (I), if each natural parent of the alien (or, in the case of an adopted alien, each adoptive parent of the alien) is or was a citizen (whether by birth or naturalization), the alien permanently resided in the United States prior to attaining the age of 16, and the alien reasonably believed at the time of making such representation that he or she was a citizen, the alien shall not be considered to be inadmissible under any provision of this subsection based on such representation."
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This exception is funny. So it allows for an honest mistake if
the parent are citizens. What if parents are not citizens?
So noncitizen parents of noncitizen children shoould be
very careful and should educate their children that
they are not citizens. A child may not understand
what it means. American school do not distinguish
citizen students and noncitizen students and
class acitivitie slike pledge of allegeneace
treat each one as citizens so that a noncitizen
kid may growing up thinking he is a citizen.

Beside INA, 18 USC 911 also
say a person who imperonate a US citizen
can be punished by prison time up to
3 years.
 
if a person has become a citizen and 1 year later ICE learns that they lied on three different job applications about being a citizen. He checked yes to being a citizen on three different job applications and I-9 forms. Can citizenship be revoked after given for this offense. He checked no on the N-400 application regarding have you ever claimed to be a U.S. citizen in writing or otherwise
 
Robin Horton said:
if a person has become a citizen and 1 year later ICE learns that they lied on three different job applications about being a citizen. He checked yes to being a citizen on three different job applications and I-9 forms. Can citizenship be revoked after given for this offense. He checked no on the N-400 application regarding have you ever claimed to be a U.S. citizen in writing or otherwise
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Yes, citizenship can be revoked if ICE finds out later. Lying on the N-400 is grounds for revoking citizenship, unless the court can be convinced the lie was an honest mistake or is too trivial to matter. His case is certainly not a trivial matter or a mistake.
 
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