Discussion/Analysis of immigration bills impacting Employment Based category

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This thread is meant to be a living, breathing and evolving one to discuss the proposed immigration bills out there (at various stages of evolution) which especially impact employment based immigration either directly or indirectly. Discussions are invited as to their current status, how they will solve the retrogression problems & any other thoughts/vital information that you may have. Here is an initial list from my short research -

Bills to watch out

Introduced in Senate -
s.1932 (most favourable to solve retrogression problems; when will the house vote on this? )
S.1033.IS (pay attention to SEC. 601.)

Introduced in house -
H.R.3700.IH (most dangerous). Also check this out - http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=115476
H.R.3322.IH
H.R.2092.IH
H.R.1912.IH

The above bills can be searched here; just copy and paste the bill numbers provided above in this page -

http://thomas.loc.gov/home/c109query.html

Also, please feel free to add to the list of bills mentioned above and correct the existing list if there are mistakes.
 
You are right !>>

Please write to congressmans based on the good template posted by Anil and others in S1932 section.

We need to stay focussed on the EB Retrogression scenario only. I heard from top lawyers in immigration business ( THey write law text books ! - they are CA based, they said If affected folks are EB Category applicants they have a good chance to get more current dates. We are fighting a losing battle by asking H1 increase !!!.

If we all folks focus on H1 B CAP INCREASE WE STAND TO LOOSE EVERYTHING. Since most avg americans and folks in congress think we are " Excess Baggage " if we campaign for H1 B increase. Since our immediate need is a EB Visa, we need to focus exclusively on EB Visa. Why worry about what we can do for H1 cap increase ?. (2) it is big companies like infosys and wipro who benefit and we are fighting proxy for them ??
 
Correct. Let's avoid defend any H1B increase caps. Let's remain neutral on this. Our business has to do with EB numbers only.

Believe me, increase on H1B numbers will attract "heavy muchine gun fire" from lots of Americans. Saying that an increase in EB numbers is necessary to keep greencard process from people who started the process since 1998 is very reasonable, and in fact I persuaded a hardcore pro immigration reduction leader to speak on our behalf, given such rational request.
 
I support the idea of contacting leaders for EB recap only. Asking for H-1B means we are trying to take more jobs away from americans. It is quite reasonable to ask the approved EB numbers that were not used to solve the current crisis.

GCdreamer2006 said:
Correct. Let's avoid defend any H1B increase caps. Let's remain neutral on this. Our business has to do with EB numbers only.

Believe me, increase on H1B numbers will attract "heavy muchine gun fire" from lots of Americans. Saying that an increase in EB numbers is necessary to keep greencard process from people who started the process since 1998 is very reasonable, and in fact I persuaded a hardcore pro immigration reduction leader to speak on our behalf, given such rational request.
 
pls spread the word around on EB Only.....

pls mail diff forums newsgroups on the need of the hour.. "Budget Reconcill for EB Visa Retrogression ony "

GCdreamer2006 said:
Correct. Let's avoid defend any H1B increase caps. Let's remain neutral on this. Our business has to do with EB numbers only.

Believe me, increase on H1B numbers will attract "heavy muchine gun fire" from lots of Americans. Saying that an increase in EB numbers is necessary to keep greencard process from people who started the process since 1998 is very reasonable, and in fact I persuaded a hardcore pro immigration reduction leader to speak on our behalf, given such rational request.
 
Most of our issues (Legal immigrants waiting for green card) is not addressed by any of these bill in particular, they are primarly to resolve much bigger problem which is illegal immigration, to stop/organise inflow of illegals and account/deport most of illegals present in this country,

We are just hoping to get piggy back ride along with these bills,

however, I belive our problem could be resolved outside politics, by using simple approach, I am very disappointed IV and other pro-immigration organization did not make any effort,

These are some of the main points, I am pretty sure we don't need any new law to be passed to achive these, besides this will much needed relife to many application, however,

-Issue of three ears EAD/AP cards,
-recapture visas and assign to oversubscribed countries, India and china
-clear FBI namecheck backlogs
-Most important seprate 245i applications from regular EB3 and provide relife to law-abiding, tax paying leagal immigrants

These above points could be easily achived if we can concentrate on couple of influencial senators and work with them

like John Mcain, Edward Kennady are to start with,
 
the most funny thing i see in this whole deal is the way US immigration dept is doing their job....

1. Security check when some one goes for H1 stamping from usa to come back to usa........isnt the person already in USA......if he was a terrorist do you think he will go for a stamping???

2. FBI namecheck....people already present in usa???......i guess their intention here is to remove any bad apples......who are well behaved but may have bad mind (like some islamic activist who went to college....and is in a stable job.........but who can again go back to old ways.....)

i dont even know the true intentions of Bureacrats......they all look like suckers......just doing their job mindlessly........misusing their power.....acting like god because the gov gives them power..........

i guess 80% of people dont even know about this bureacrats.....the unlucky 20% like us have to suffer......
 
If they manage to pass a bill an enforcement only bill prior to November (likely) then if they at certain point address nurse visas only and do leave out the greencard visa numbers increases and H1B's, then we would be in a very bad shape because if 1. enforcement only bill and 2. visas for nurses are definitely the most critical, pressing issues right now. One can argue that other measures can wait, and it is when we find ourselves "dancing in the dark" for few more years. Let's expect that is not the case :-(


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www.numbersusa.com
Congress Returns from Summer Recess
Border Security A Priority

(September 11) House GOP leaders and committee chairmen announced they will hold an unusual hearing on September 12 to try to piece together a package of border enforcement measures for passage before their recess next month. House Republican committee chairmen will testify at the hearing about the lessons they've learned during the summer-long series of immigration "field hearings" around the country, and the measures they believe will increase our nation's border security efforts. The list of measures is expected to be far narrower than those contained in the House-passed immigration bill, H.R. 4437. "It won't be the whole 95 tons of what we've tried to work between the House and Senate, but we will try to get some things done," said House Speaker Dennis Hastert (R-IL). The fate of those measures in the Senate, however, remains uncertain.

House GOP members are expected to push for increased border security funding in the FY '07 spending bills for the Department of Homeland Security, which is in conference with the Senate, and for the Department of Defense. House Republicans also will try to pass some of the border security measures contained in H.R. 4437 as stand-alone bills.

Despite media reports about divisions within their ranks, the vast majority of Republican members are solidly behind an enforcement first approach. It is the fringe elements within the GOP that promote an amnesty, although it is not depicted that way in the media. The strength of GOP opposition to the Senate-passed bill, and the amnesty it contains, is evidenced by the fact that ongoing discussions between the staffs of the House and Senate Judiciary Committees have made no progress. At this point, it seems very unlikely that some compromise involving an amnesty for illegal aliens could pass Congress before the election, even one like that proposed by Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) and Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison (R-TX).

On the Senate side, Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-TN) has said Congress could agree on a limited immigration reform bill dealing with securing the border, but may leave the issue of what to do with the estimated 12 million illegal immigrants to the next Congress. Frist predicted that within the next two weeks, the Senate will pass a DHS appropriations bill with additional money for border security.

It is important to note that Congress plans to hold a lame duck session beginning on November 13 which could include action on some immigration-related measure. As a result, we urge you to continue to make your voice heard and not let up until our immigration system has been fixed.

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techy2468 said:
the most funny thing i see in this whole deal is the way US immigration dept is doing their job....

1. Security check when some one goes for H1 stamping from usa to come back to usa........isnt the person already in USA......if he was a terrorist do you think he will go for a stamping???

2. FBI namecheck....people already present in usa???......i guess their intention here is to remove any bad apples......who are well behaved but may have bad mind (like some islamic activist who went to college....and is in a stable job.........but who can again go back to old ways.....)

i dont even know the true intentions of Bureacrats......they all look like suckers......just doing their job mindlessly........misusing their power.....acting like god because the gov gives them power..........

i guess 80% of people dont even know about this bureacrats.....the unlucky 20% like us have to suffer......
 
techy2468 said:
the most funny thing i see in this whole deal is the way US immigration dept is doing their job....

1. Security check when some one goes for H1 stamping from usa to come back to usa........isnt the person already in USA......if he was a terrorist do you think he will go for a stamping???

2. FBI namecheck....people already present in usa???......i guess their intention here is to remove any bad apples......who are well behaved but may have bad mind (like some islamic activist who went to college....and is in a stable job.........but who can again go back to old ways.....)

i dont even know the true intentions of Bureacrats......they all look like suckers......just doing their job mindlessly........misusing their power.....acting like god because the gov gives them power..........

i guess 80% of people dont even know about this bureacrats.....the unlucky 20% like us have to suffer......

Just read my sig below and it answers your questions, techy. The politicians in DC are in a race to look more stupid than each other.

And anyway, who in the Retrogression forums is working on increasing H1B?? That's so out-of-scope of what we REALLY want: removing this retrogression.
Which is why I previously already did not like CIR... it focused more on H1B rather than actual long-term solutions to EB visas.
 
The real problem is that lobbysts pushing for H1B's are basically all we've got to 'represent us'. All representation we've got now is almost nothing. IV is doing what they can, but they are really small. Employers will ultimately stick to the H1B and then let us take a ride on the H1B bills. Remember that organizations such as AILA are the ones writing the bills. and those folks continue out of touch with reality, just aiming for big bucks from all immigration sources they can find in the house. That's the reality. I think the only venue I would explore, if I were IV:
I would try to send a lobbyst there and fight for a real compromise; a modest increase in H1B's, stop of the insanity of granting greencard petitions for every damn masters or phd student in the US, etc.
ufo2002 said:
Just read my sig below and it answers your questions, techy. The politicians in DC are in a race to look more stupid than each other.

And anyway, who in the Retrogression forums is working on increasing H1B?? That's so out-of-scope of what we REALLY want: removing this retrogression.
Which is why I previously already did not like CIR... it focused more on H1B rather than actual long-term solutions to EB visas.
 
GCDreamer2006.......I did not understand why you think it is insane to give GC to masters, Phds holders from usa???

dont you think it makes most sense.....these people have been trained here and they should be given more preference??
 
It is not really that I think it is not fair, it is just that this is the time to be realistic, take a look out there and face reality. People are not sympathetic to increase in immigration and if this is still America, like us or not, voters make the decision on this.

Techy, there are lots of people out there with 20K who come to the US and take masters here in various schools. I read posts from Americans who are IT tech professionals really complaining about that. That is the type of thing that I think it is asking too much. Just impose a freaking quota there for masters degree and that's fine, a better way to persuade people this is a real compromise.

techy2468 said:
GCDreamer2006.......I did not understand why you think it is insane to give GC to masters, Phds holders from usa???

dont you think it makes most sense.....these people have been trained here and they should be given more preference??
 
all they are trying is to increase the numbers by sneaking things in.......its definitely in our favor.........because if the adv degrees are gone.....it will take the load off by almost 40%....

and if USCs have objection to adv degree holders immigration......imagine what they will say about others......
 
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