DHS even monitors what books people read?

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http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily/12-05/12-17-05/a09lo650.htm


Agents' visit chills UMass Dartmouth senior
By AARON NICODEMUS, Standard-Times staff writer

NEW BEDFORD -- A senior at UMass Dartmouth was visited by federal agents two months ago, after he requested a copy of Mao Tse-Tung's tome on Communism called "The Little Red Book."

Two history professors at UMass Dartmouth, Brian Glyn Williams and Robert Pontbriand, said the student told them he requested the book through the UMass Dartmouth library's interlibrary loan program.
The student, who was completing a research paper on Communism for Professor Pontbriand's class on fascism and totalitarianism, filled out a form for the request, leaving his name, address, phone number and Social Security number. He was later visited at his parents' home in New Bedford by two agents of the Department of Homeland Security, the professors said.

The professors said the student was told by the agents that the book is on a "watch list," and that his background, which included significant time abroad, triggered them to investigate the student further.

"I tell my students to go to the direct source, and so he asked for the official Peking version of the book," Professor Pontbriand said. "Apparently, the Department of Homeland Security is monitoring inter-library loans, because that's what triggered the visit, as I understand it."

Although The Standard-Times knows the name of the student, he is not coming forward because he fears repercussions should his name become public. He has not spoken to The Standard-Times.

The professors had been asked to comment on a report that President Bush had authorized the National Security Agency to spy on as many as 500 people at any given time since 2002 in this country.

The eavesdropping was apparently done without warrants.

The Little Red Book, is a collection of quotations and speech excerpts from Chinese leader Mao Tse-Tung.

In the 1950s and '60s, during the Cultural Revolution in China, it was required reading. Although there are abridged versions available, the student asked for a version translated directly from the original book.

The student told Professor Pontbriand and Dr. Williams that the Homeland Security agents told him the book was on a "watch list." They brought the book with them, but did not leave it with the student, the professors said.

Dr. Williams said in his research, he regularly contacts people in Afghanistan, Chechnya and other Muslim hot spots, and suspects that some of his calls are monitored.

"My instinct is that there is a lot more monitoring than we think," he said.

Dr. Williams said he had been planning to offer a course on terrorism next semester, but is reconsidering, because it might put his students at risk.

"I shudder to think of all the students I've had monitoring al-Qaeda Web sites, what the government must think of that," he said. "Mao Tse-Tung is completely harmless."
 
JoeF said:
Welcome to America in the times of the Patriot Act...
...and much more in the offing(in the form of HR bills/amendments and more and more stronger anti lobbies, et al.)
making the socalled 'A.dream' what ..you never know ...from now on?
 
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Participant said:
...and much more in the offing(in the form of HR bills/amendments and more and more stronger anti lobbies, et al.)
making the socalled 'A.dream' what ..you never know ...from now on?

Not to mention that it's not just immigrants aliens or naturalized citizens, but in many cases born citizens are victims. Even communists will be smiling and say "This kind of things we did 50 years back. Want a crash course to know how to do it?".
 
Having read this thread, I couldn't resist to tell y'all this incident.

I have an intern working for me and he is from a foreign country (using
OPT). He has a couple of roommates who are doing undergrad courses.

One of them was kinda slacky in his studies so he took a break in
the studies got CPT and was working in some place and went back
to school and was not getting good grades and was skipping some
courses and was extending his school life (basically). Apparently
he is one of the richest person from his country..

Coming to the point... Our intern and his friends were playing X-box games
(which is what they do all night long during weekends) one Friday
night and a man knocks on the door & they open the door and there stands
an immigration Officer waving his badge and letting himself in. To the nightmare of all the people in the apartment, he chooses our guy who
is slacky in his studies and starts inverviewing about his school life
as to why is he slacky and stuff. Our guy asks him why he should be
bothered as he is on a good status (F1). The Officer responds that if foreign students are slacky in their studies then they better study & finish the course in time or else go back to their country as they are wasting the resources in the US (which is a good point). Our guy responds to it saying he has a medical condition due to which he cannot sleep and so he cannot study etc. Then the Officer hands out a paper with list of things the guy did in the last six months or so... Yes, the list has/had
all the places the guy went to, the places where he dined, when he was playing X box games and how many nights the guy went on playing X box games with his friends including the days he went outside to have fast food dinner in the nearby Mac OR Wendy's.

All the guys in the apartment got so scared from that day on, and they
seldom play X Box games these days. As for the guy who was slacky
on his studies, he couldn't keep up with the studies and he was warned one more time by the same Officer. The Officer told him that he wasn't there
to scare him from DHS perspective but did tell him that DHS is watching
all foreign students.

The slacky student finally gave up on his studies and went back to his
home country some few months ago.

To make long story short, Big Brother is watching us all.

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howdy_howdy
that would be scary...but I'd be skeptical believing it.

USCIS (previously INS) would initiate all investigations through the School's International Student Advisor....(usually it is the School that reports a Student violating the terms of F1 visa.)

Probably somebody playing a joke on someone is what I'm thinking.
 
harvydonald:

The first time a guy walked into their apartment, the students thought
the same thing like what you think now (playing pranks on the
students).

But, the man showed the DHS badge to those guys (including
the student who is working as an intern in my team) and that's
when these guys started becoming serious. First time the slacky
student passed on the warning given by the DHS person and the Officer
showed up again. That's when those guys got - real - scary. I was scared
not for the fact that I may be watched but for the fact that
things like these can happen even to students!

As you mentioned, I was skeptical to believe that in the first place.
But, when the student went back to his home country, I didn't have
a choice (he went back a few months ago).

No one knows how the guy gathered so much info about that one guy
who was slacky.

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harvydonald said:
howdy_howdy
that would be scary...but I'd be skeptical believing it.

USCIS (previously INS) would initiate all investigations through the School's International Student Advisor....(usually it is the School that reports a Student violating the terms of F1 visa.)

Probably somebody playing a joke on someone is what I'm thinking.

I know another case. A person got his green card but did not receive plastic card for one year. So he went to district office and got into argument + discussion with one officer. In the discussion + argument he realized that USCIS knows all the information and that includes his ex-landlord's name who used to work for a defence contracting company (it's a big company and I am sure you know the name).
 
I wonder if a person can request information from DHS under FOIA?
I know FOIA applied to Department of Justice...(INS was under DOJ, but USCIS is not)
 
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