Deferred Inspection & CIRCULAR REASONING

immigration_hlp

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Dear All,

I am writing this on behalf of a cousin who has an appointment with a judge next month (probably no more extensions will be given.)

Basically my cousin entered the US as a tourist (has British passport), and applied for a change a status for an F-1 visa (which was eventually denied in late '2001 due school lapse). While his change of status visa was processing he and a couple of his friends including me took a trip across the San Diego borde to Tijuana-Mexico for a few hours in November '2000. On the way back from the border he was placed in Secondary / Deferred Inspection and his passport was taken away from him at the border. He had to go to the California Deferred Inspection office to get back his passport.

What happened is that he lost his original passport sometime in '2002 with the proof of this deferred inspection. He has already gotten the FOIA which has the original I-94 info (the original tourist visa B2 visa on his I-94 which was valid till June '2000) but not the updated I-94 from deferred inspection. What is really bothering is that they found a document with my cousins name at deferred inspection in some file, however the person is supposedly Puerto Rican and INS is claming that is possibly a different person or for us to prove that it is him. Both my lawyer and us believe that is him, my cousin has a very unique name (I very highly doubt a Peurto Rican person will have the same name, and was pulled for deferred inspection at the same day and same time). My cousin is now married to a US citizen and the INS is asking him to leave voluntary or be deported. His next court date is mid-June since the INS is claiming he came in illegally. This is not true, I was there with him when he got pulled in deferred inspection and was there when he picked up his passport from the deferred inspection office in California. (Also he came in legally which is the proof of the original I-94).


The question we have is how can we obtain the deferred inspection records to prove that he came in legally? Is it really true that the INS won't keep a copy? Also why would they hide the information from us saying that this is a different Peurto Rican person with the same name, who entered the same port and also went through deferred inspection, however will not share the information unless another government agency requests it? (The judge gave my cousin and his lawyer an extension to find out who the Peurto Rican person is with the same name, and same deferred inspection date, however the INS is unwilling to share that info with us?) Is the INS intentionally holding the information since they made a mistake? What can my cousin do to obtain this record?

(Also he does have a copy of the receipt from Deferred Inspection office but since the receipt does not have the details just the date it is not sufficient proof. I am very confused of how he can prove it if it seems the INS is not releasing all the document to him.)

Also finally the issue that is baffling me the most from the INS is CIRCULAR REASONING. (Also the inability for his lawyer, who he paid a heafty sum to notice CIRCULAR REASONING. She is not the brighest fish in the sea, let me tell you... Anwyay that is for another time...)

The INS is claiming my cousin entered the country illegally, which is not true since the INS themselves have the original I-94 document with his B2 visa. When he went to Mexico (for 4 hours only) this is during the time when he "change of status to F1" was in process so he was technically allowed to travel to Mexico. He then came back across the border and was placed in deferred inspection. The INS is claiming he was not placed in deferred inspection (different guy with same name, and time but different ethnicity) and they cannot find and/or provide any proof it (and the burden of proof falls on him), yet they know that he came across the border. This does not make sense to me, is this not CIRCULAR REASONING! If the INS is claiming that he did not go through deferred inspection, than they should not know he went to Mexico in the first place right; so can't he just claim he never went to Mexico, which will resolve his issue since he has his original I-94 which showed he came in legally. Can't his lawyer just explain that concept to the judge? Either he went through deferred inspection, and that person that the INS is not sharing is actually him (they messed up with the ethnicity) or the INS should have never known that he went to Mexico so he always entered legal and just overstayed? How can they give such a CIRCULAR NON-SENSICAL ARGUMENT that the person that crossed from Mexico is him but not him? MAKES NO SENSE TO ME!

Everyone knows that "CIRCULAR REASONING = NON-SENSE + IRRATIONALITY + LOGICAL FALLACY" can't the lawyer just use that as his argument?

Any inputs and thoughts on the following two questions will be of great help...

1) WHAT CAN MY COUSIN DO TO OBTAIN THE DEFERRED INSPECTION RECORD?
2) CAN HIS LAWYER USE THE ABOVE "CIRCULAR REASONING" AS A VALID DEFENSE (If he is unable to obtain the Deferred Inspection Record) WHEN HE MEETS THE JUDGE AGAIN NEXT MONTH?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Looks like he is a visa overstay to me, no matter how much you spin it. What section of law was he charged under?
 
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BTW.... "as confirmed with the International student counselor", since when did this fine folks become experts in immigration law.
 
Yes, my cousin is an overstay as mentioned above; however that is not what is causing his immigration troubles. We want to prove that he entered the country legally and not illegally and that is where he is having issues with the INS.

Any inputs and thoughts on the following two questions will be of great help...

1) WHAT CAN MY COUSIN DO TO OBTAIN THE DEFERRED INSPECTION RECORD?
2) CAN HIS LAWYER USE THE ABOVE "CIRCULAR REASONING" AS A VALID DEFENSE (If he is unable to obtain the Deferred Inspection Record) WHEN HE MEETS THE JUDGE AGAIN NEXT MONTH?

Thanks in advance.
 
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Stop playing silly games, what section of law was he charged under? The thing that will matter most is his current immigration status. Lets assume your judge is a idiot, and agrees that he did not make a illegal entry. What right does he have to remain in the US? You have admitted that he is a overstay, do you really think that they will completely overlook the fact that he has no permission to be here any longer. Get over the illegal vs. legal entry, doesn't matter if he doesn't have permission to remain. He should take their offer and leave, and returned once the proper paperwork has been submitted. I'm guesing that his attorney will accept this once your cousins money runs out and it doesn't look like he will get paid.

BTW... no such thing as a deferred inspection record, deferred inspection is just the process of allowing someone to enter and report to another location for inspection on a another date. once again, HE IS A VISA OVERSTAY! He is in violation of the INA, there is no defence unless he can show a valid visa.
 
BTW... People from Puerto Rico are US citizens, and you're even a bigger idiot since there has not been a INS since 2003.
 
Well you are the TRUE IDIOT. Firstly if you are unable to help in any logical manner there is no reason for you to post. Yes, he is a visa overstay but he is married to a US citizen. Did you read that part IDIOT? Secondly, I said the person was of Peurto Rican decent, I do not know whether they were BORN in Peurto Rico or not because the CBP is not providing that information to us. Did you read that part as well.... IDIOT? I do not care whether the information you provide to me is favorable or not but please don't just post junk here. These are real people lives you are talking about, you stupid jerk...

When I stated above "Any inputs and thoughts on the following two questions will be of great help..." I am looking for people who can provide true, factual and rational feedback only... Does not have to be favorable but it should at least make sense. Also who cares whether it is called "INS" or "INA," that is the not the point of this post.
 
Stop playing silly games, what section of law was he charged under? The thing that will matter most is his current immigration status. Lets assume your judge is a idiot, and agrees that he did not make a illegal entry. What right does he have to remain in the US? You have admitted that he is a overstay, do you really think that they will completely overlook the fact that he has no permission to be here any longer. Get over the illegal vs. legal entry, doesn't matter if he doesn't have permission to remain. He should take their offer and leave, and returned once the proper paperwork has been submitted. I'm guesing that his attorney will accept this once your cousins money runs out and it doesn't look like he will get paid.

BTW... no such thing as a deferred inspection record, deferred inspection is just the process of allowing someone to enter and report to another location for inspection on a another date. once again, HE IS A VISA OVERSTAY! He is in violation of the INA, there is no defence unless he can show a valid visa.
Empty vessels make most noise. As mentioned above the cousin is married to a US citizen. One of the very few barriers to adjusting status when married to a USC is entering the country uninspected. Visa overstay is not a barrier to adjusting status in this case.
 
How many NTA's have you written? I'm willing to bet not nearly as many as me. Until this idiot comes up with the section of law he was charged under, there is no way of knowing what is going on with this case. I might not know everything about deportation law, but I know enough to know that this guys attorney will bleed him dry, and in the end, he will take a V/D. Mark my words.... I really get a kick out the people who ask for free help, then refuse to provide required details.

Empty vessels make most noise. As mentioned above the cousin is married to a US citizen. One of the very few barriers to adjusting status when married to a USC is entering the country uninspected. Visa overstay is not a barrier to adjusting status in this case.
 
Actually he has consulted with another lawyer for a second opinion. He may be planning to use the other lawyer's services since the other lawyer mentioned that they may be to able to obtain the record that he went through Deferred Inspection (and the other lawyer has had similar CBP issues with other clients before). And yes, I do know what Deferred Inspection is... and there is a Deferred Inspection record it is called Form I-546. The other lawyer mentioned that he should discuss standards of proof with your attorney as it is the government that is making the claims. I am sure that concept is probably too complicated for daft-ortycal to understand.

Anyway the reason he wants to prove that he went through Deferred Inspection is to prove that he was paroled into the US legally. He is from UK and he just went to Mexico with a few of his friends for a few hours many years ago. And as mentioned he has proof that he originally entered the US legally, he also wants proof that when he went across the border and back to the US a few hours later and that he was also paroled legally to the US.

Please only respond if you have some understanding about the law... Thanks again...

PS (for IDIOT = dafortycal aka daft-ortycal) - I am not sure what NTA's are and I not an immigration lawyer, but I am very familiar with corporate law, so I am very sure I know more about government policies that you do. Daft-ortycal please do not respond as you are completely useless as well as an insensitive idiot; I do not think you understand anything about the law. And yes, I came to this conclusion from reading your other posts as well, what a waste of time don't you have something better to do?

PPS - To Therms96. Thank you very much for your input it is appreciated. Hopefully it will help keep people like daft-ortycal out of these forums.
 
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BTW... People from Puerto Rico are US citizens, and you're even a bigger idiot since there has not been a INS since 2003.

darforycal:
People from Puerto Rico are not US citizens. If they wish to become citizens they have to go through the Naturalization process. Please restrain yourself from name-calling.
 
1) WHAT CAN MY COUSIN DO TO OBTAIN THE DEFERRED INSPECTION RECORD?
2) CAN HIS LAWYER USE THE ABOVE "CIRCULAR REASONING" AS A VALID DEFENSE (If he is unable to obtain the Deferred Inspection Record) WHEN HE MEETS THE JUDGE AGAIN NEXT MONTH?

Thanks in advance.

1. If he has filed I-485, his wife, the petitioner, could seek help from the local goverment reprentative in securing the deferred inspection record.
2. Your lawyer makes a BIG difference. Do some research and hire a lawyer with a proven record. Sometimes it's not the law, but rather the lawyer's networking skills that makes the difference.
 
You are even a bigger idiot, maybe you should do some more research. "Puerto Ricans have been citizens of the United States since a law was passed in 1917. Even though they are citizens, Puerto Ricans pay no federal income tax and they can not vote for president. Unrestricted U.S. migration of Puerto Ricans has made New York City the one place with the most Puerto Ricans anywhere in the world (over one million)."

darforycal:
People from Puerto Rico are not US citizens. If they wish to become citizens they have to go through the Naturalization process. Please restrain yourself from name-calling.
 
I had a real long reply drafted, but sadly I lost the wireless signal and it is gone. BTW... I don't have anything better to do other than spend my government retirement check after years of being a US Immigration Officer.

Why they would send someone who entered the United States under the visa waiver program to see a IJ is beyond my level of undertstanding, I would have just served him the proper forms and placed him on a plane back home.

But then again, I have a some *** hat telling me that people from Puerto Rico aren't US citizens, just maybe he has a counterpart working for the government. I should ask him if in all his years practicing immigration law has he ever met a Puerto Rican with a green card? Since someone said that this iother diot was paroled into the US, he will be subject to Section 212 of the INA, which means that the burdon of proof is on him, not the government.
 
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There is such a thing as PR citizenship...

"Since the summer of 2007, the Puerto Rico State Department has developed a protocol to grant Puerto Rican citizenship certificates to Puerto Ricans.[13] Certificates of Puerto Rican citizenship are issued to any persons born on the island as well as to those born outside of the island that have at least one parent who was born on the island.[14] Any U.S. citizen with at least one year of residence on the island is also eligible for the official citizenship certificate. The certificate is not a valid travel document."
 
There is such a thing as PR citizenship...

"Since the summer of 2007, the Puerto Rico State Department has developed a protocol to grant Puerto Rican citizenship certificates to Puerto Ricans.[13] Certificates of Puerto Rican citizenship are issued to any persons born on the island as well as to those born outside of the island that have at least one parent who was born on the island.[14] Any U.S. citizen with at least one year of residence on the island is also eligible for the official citizenship certificate. The certificate is not a valid travel document."

Thanks. I'm always happy to learn somehing new. Now, how can we help the starter of this thread?
 
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