Debating between EB1-OR and EB2-PERM

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PhD_007

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Dear All:

I am faced with the dilemma to choose between EB1-OR and EB2-PERM. I will really appreciate your feedback. Short description of my situation:
I finished my PhD and joined Intel as a senior engineer about a year back.
Around 15 publications (journal + conf) and I could find about 20 citations.
No major awards, No major honor society membership.
I can get recommendations but mostly from my Profs and collaborators in US.
Maybe 1 reco from outside US (Japan).
How strong do you think my case is in EB1-OR category??

Will Appreciate your feedback. Thanks and regards,
PhD_007
 
PhD_007 said:
Dear All:

I am faced with the dilemma to choose between EB1-OR and EB2-PERM. I will really appreciate your feedback. Short description of my situation:
I finished my PhD and joined Intel as a senior engineer about a year back.
Around 15 publications (journal + conf) and I could find about 20 citations.
No major awards, No major honor society membership.
I can get recommendations but mostly from my Profs and collaborators in US.
Maybe 1 reco from outside US (Japan).
How strong do you think my case is in EB1-OR category??

Will Appreciate your feedback. Thanks and regards,
PhD_007
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Well publication list just puts you in good OR Category. But when you put your case you have show how much impact your work had on international research (Need to explain that u r 1-2%). 20 citations for 15 papers are not showing that for sure .......So letters will carry much of responsibilities.....try getting independent letters as collaborators and ur profs will not go well alone ...tehy carry weightage with "other" letters. No awards and no membership also weakens it further......................Are u working on similar kind of work relate dto PHD......presentaing potential future wrt to your skills.......can help.
 
NIW-Nov 04 said:
If you can get a "PERMANENT JOB OFFER" then you can qualify easliy for EB1-OR. It is also recommended.
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If only it was that simple. They are being really tough with EB1s at the moment. 15 pubs is (to quote USCIS) just barely meeting the category for publications. But it does meet it!! And although they arent meant too USCIS officers use google scholar!!! Can you believe it?

Anyway, you need good letters of recomendation for this, get letters from as diverse fields as possible, from people who know you through your work, NOT who you have worked with. They hate that!!!

Letters from people you work with will be usefull for proving your "critical role" with the organisations you have worked.

Maybe you could use other computer work to fill in the categories .... you can always use the "any other supporting information" category. But Id get a decent lawyer to write the memorandum if i were you!!!

best of luck!!
 
My suggestion is based on approved cases of about 5 friends who got Eb1-OR with fewer than 6 publication and all had permanent job offers. Of course letters are definitely required to prove outstanding research ability which PhD 007 can obtain easily.

Eb1-OR differs substantially from Eb1-EA and NIW's, which require higher standards to prove.
 
researchers

yeah the EB-EA is tough but the EB1 OR can be tougher its requirements are by their exact wording a lot more precise. for example you need to prove International impact, not the lower EB1 standard of national or international.

Of course the number of pubs is debateble (6 books could well be seen as better that 16 articles) but there is no exact science.

For the OR however the employment letter is a pretty simple formula.

Could you go for an EB1? If you articles are not all in international journals i'd give it some thought!! Also you can self petition so no letter is needed!!!
 
I would say you have a decent chance. Most of fresh PhD's in our
company had less publications than yours but still got their EB-1 OR
approved.

It goes without saying that it's always safer to have better credentials
but from my experiences EB-1 OR is not that of higher qualifications
although the official guideline from USCIS sounds intimidating.

Experienced lawyers can evaluate case very well. If they say they
would do EB-1 for your case, you have a good chance...

Good luck,
fdfd


PhD_007 said:
Dear All:

I am faced with the dilemma to choose between EB1-OR and EB2-PERM. I will really appreciate your feedback. Short description of my situation:
I finished my PhD and joined Intel as a senior engineer about a year back.
Around 15 publications (journal + conf) and I could find about 20 citations.
No major awards, No major honor society membership.
I can get recommendations but mostly from my Profs and collaborators in US.
Maybe 1 reco from outside US (Japan).
How strong do you think my case is in EB1-OR category??

Will Appreciate your feedback. Thanks and regards,
PhD_007
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Thank you all for your comments. They are really helpful. I was expecting that there will be divided opinion as has been my experience outside this forum as well. So I am still not sure, which path to choose. If any of you could discuss specific instances where people have been approved or rejected & with what qualifications, that will be very helpful.

The reason for just 25 citations for 15 papers (as pointed out) is that most of my publications are fairly recent (~2004-2005). But I guess I will need to wait a very long time to get additional citations since everything moves slowly in the academic world.

Is OR more suitable for people in University, or people in Industry do go for it fairly often? Any specific examples?

I really appreciate the feedback. Thank you again for your time and effort.

Regards,
PhD_007
 
I work in the pharmaceutical industry and most of my colleagues here go through OR, which is obviously the first choice for those with permanent employment.

I have 5 papers but my lawyer said the number does not matter as long as we can make a strong argument about the importance of what I have accomplished. I guess a good lawyer worths money (though it's not my money--my employer's:)). FYI, with 5 papers, I have >250 citations, and I got approved for O1 visa with lesser credentials ~2 yrs ago.

I think, if a PhD scientist at Intel would have a hard time getting GC, this country, not you, is in a serious trouble. Don't your employer and its lawyer do filing for you?

JollyFella
 
From EB3 to EB1

Guys, I am looking for your input.
Here my situation:
I am now EB3 waiting for filing 485.
I potenionally have a job offer for a european subsidiary in the US.
My plan was to get hired at the headquarters for 12 months and than get transferred and hired by the US subsidiary. I understand that one year working as an executive at the headquarters is required.
Here my question(s): Since I live in the US for the last 6+ years, how long do I have to leave the US, or can I just keep travelling between the headquarters and the US subsidiary being hired and paid by the headquarters? Can I leave my family in the US and make sure that non leaves the US for one year?

I would greatly appreciate your valuable inputs.

Thanks a lot

gbroder
 
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