cutoff dates: doing the calculation...current possible? No way!!!

nato

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Some one correct the below figures if not near the acutal ones..
EB backlog ending 2005: 1million+
considering spouses etc removed approx 500,000.
possible India applications say 30% around 150,000
BEC- 300,000+(this doesnot include spouses so these remain intact)
Visa's now for 2006 at least 140K+90K for this year = 230K
say quota for India approx 10,780+say another 8K due to recapture = 20,000.
so available for 2006 = 20K
for 2007 say with another 50K recapture as below = 18K approx
after that back to 10K
Demand at elast 150,000 currently in the system
+
BEC at least another 90,000(assuming 30% application for Indian)

Still many more years to go for India at least....
once these addtional numbers are avaiable for the current year the cutoff may move at the max by another 2 year
Here is some supporting state dept note

2001 to 2004, 141,365 employment-based third (EB-3) preference category visas were left unused, 90K being recaptured this year, rest go to next year

The backlog reduction efforts of both Citizenship and Immigration Services and the Department of Labor continue to result in very heavy demand for Employment-based numbers. The amount of cases currently being processed is sufficient to use all available numbers in many categories. The level of demand in the Employment categories is expected to be far in excess of the annual limits, and once established, cut-off date movements are likely to be slow.
WHAT CAUSES THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CUT-OFF DATES?
The Visa Office subdivides the annual preference and foreign state limitations specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) into twelve monthly allotments. The totals of documentarily qualified applicants that have been reported to VO are compared each month with the numbers available for the next regular allotment and numbers are allocated to reported applicants in order of their priority dates, the oldest dates first.
• If there are sufficient numbers in a particular category to satisfy all reported documentarily qualified demand, the category is considered “Current.” For example, if the Employment Third preference monthly target is 5,000 and there are only 3,000 applicants, the category is considered “Current”.
• Whenever the total of documentarily qualified applicants in a category exceeds the supply of numbers available for allotment for the particular month, the category is considered to be “oversubscribed” and a visa availability cut-off date is established. The cut-off date is the priority date of the first documentarily qualified applicant who could not be accommodated for a visa number. For example, if the Employment Third preference monthly target is 5,000 and there are 15,000 applicants, a cut-off date would be established so that only 5,000 numbers would be used, and the cut-off date would be the priority date of the 5,001st applicant.
WILL THERE BE CUT-OFF DATES FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FOREIGN STATES IN THE FIRST AND SECOND PREFERENCE CATEGORIES?
It may be necessary to establish a cut-off date for the “All Chargeability Areas” Second preference category at some point during the second half of the fiscal year. It is too early to estimate whether future demand will warrant such action. As of October 1st, cut-off dates for the First and Second preferences for China and India were established due to heavy demand; cut-off date movement is expected to be limited until a demand pattern has been determined.
WHY ARE THERE CUT-OFF DATES THIS YEAR AS OPPOSED TO PREVIOUS YEARS, WHEN THE CATEGORIES WERE CURRENT?
While the Employment categories had been “Current” for almost four years, several important factors affected the decision to implement cut-offs for FY-2006.
• Prior to July 2001, demand for Employment numbers was such that cut-off dates were in effect for many categories, and that is the case once again for FY-2006.
The reasons the Employment categories had become current were:
• The American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21) recaptured a “pool” of 131,000 Employment numbers unused in fiscal years 1999 and 2000, and allowed those recaptured numbers to be used by the oversubscribed countries, and
• The substantial decline in demand for numbers for adjustment of status cases prevented the annual limits from being reached for several years.
In FY-2006, we are faced with continuing heavy demand due to the DHS and DOL backlog reduction efforts, along with an Employment limit which is approximately 40% lower than that of FY-2005. The lower annual Employment limit is a result of the virtual elimination of the “pool” of recaptured AC21 numbers, returning us to the pre-July 2001 situation.
WHAT ABOUT SCHEDULE A NUMBERS?
The 50,000 Schedule A numbers will provide relief to many Employment Third preference applicants, since any Schedule A applicant whose priority date is beyond the established Third preference cut-off date can be processed and charged against the 50,000 limit. It is expected that such numbers will be available on a “Current” basis throughout all of FY-2006. The DOL backlog reduction effort could have some impact on Schedule A number availability, but it would not be felt very until late in the fiscal year.
HOW IS THE EMPLOYMENT-BASED PER-COUNTRY LIMIT CALCULATED?
Section 201 of the INA sets an annual minimum Family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000, while the worldwide annual level for Employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 sets the per-country limit for preference immigrants at 7% of the total annual Family-sponsored and Employment-based preference limits, i.e. a minimum of 25,620.
• The annual per-country limitation of 7% is a cap, meaning visa issuances to any single country may not exceed this figure. This limitation is not a quota to which any particular country is entitled, however. The per-country limitation serves to avoid monopolization of virtually all the visa numbers by applicants from only a few countries.
• The AC21 removed the per-country limit in any calendar quarter in which overall applicant demand for Employment-based visa numbers is less than the total of such numbers available.
• In recent years, the application of the rules outlined in AC21 has allowed countries such as China – mainland born, India, and the Philippines to utilize large amounts of employment numbers which would have otherwise gone unused.
During FY-2006, due to anticipated heavy demand, the AC21 provisions are not expected to apply, and the amount of Employment numbers available to any single country will be subject to the 7% cap. It is anticipated that the addition of unused FY-2005 Family numbers and the remaining AC21 numbers to the 140,000 annual minimum will result in an FY-2006 annual Employment limit of 152,000. This will mean an Employment per-country limit for FY-2006 of approximately 10,650.
• To illustrate the effect of the reduced per-county limitation during FY-2006 on the oversubscribed countries, it should be noted that during FY-2005 India used approximately 47,175 Employment numbers
 
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Then Let Us Do This....

1. Ask for eligibility to file for spouse's EAD and AP
2. Work on Sat/Sun, Make money, stop going to Macy's etc.,and save money

..............
..............
When get exhausted of waiting, let us head back to Bharat.

BHAI, AB YAHAN HAI TO KUCH TO HAANSIL KAREIN.
 
I do not expect it becomes "current" at all, and just hope it comes back previous position. No big hope, no big disappointment. :(
 
That is the best possible answer, allow EAD / 485 filling for all 140 approved

would also save people from clutches of desi employer and prevent the sub labor sell at high premiums, bcos approved labor and hence the PD will loose importance in terms of freedom to work as everyone can file and get EAD after 140 is approved, guys with older PD can get GC faster and become citizen sooner though as a benefit if someone wants that.
Akbari said:
1. Ask for eligibility to file for spouse's EAD and AP
2
 
One More...Give Direct Citizenship If Wait is More Than 7 yrs.

nato said:
would also save people from clutches of desi employer and prevent the sub labor sell at high premiums, bcos approved labor and hence the PD will loose importance in terms of freedom to work as everyone can file and get EAD after 140 is approved, guys with older PD can get GC faster and become citizen sooner though as a benefit if someone wants that.
 
Remember that there was a surge of labor applications in March 05 as a backup strategy against new PERM regulations. We dont know what the numbers are. These are included within the BEC statistics.

Part of the information we are lacking is the number of pending labor and I485 applications on a month\year\category or atleast on a year\category basis, before there can be some meaningful analysis.

The killer of EB3 being the huge 2001 applications but we again dont know what percentage of those would be Other workers.

Earlier on, before the 50k recapture for Schedule A I had read that there were about 130K visas available (on immigration-law.com). Even if we assume its around 141K, the visas remaining have to be around 141-50=91K. Thats it, it gets over. If all is used, nothing to recapture next year.
 
This is a thougt

Good idea unitednations.

Asking them not to count the spouses since AC21 was passed sounds like a good idea. We can always pitch this to the lobby groups and politicians. It does not hurt !!!
 
That looks like a winner. if the compete america and other groups

unitednations said:
If we really wanted to be greedy, we could ask for the bill to retroactively not include dependents who got the greencards against the EB quota since ac21. Then use those extra visas as part of the "unused visas" for current and future years. That would make retrogression go away.
realise that the current provisions don't go too far and including this retro would be the right way of handling this, but don't know the law probably may be effective from signing date or something.

the other option giving EAD to eveyone or let everyone file 485 is good too but that way it will load the system heavily and all CIS would be doing is approving EAD /AP renewals and the actual 485 approval would lag behind and thier backlogs would increase dramatically which would be against their 6 months processing goals too
 
Good idea. Also it does not seem to be too much to ask.

Althought we know that (after doing calculations) this can make all of it current, when we ask this, the congress may not think this is too much and may be easily slipped into any of these bills. (I know I am talking as if I am a senator.)

(This is just a stupid babble below.)

Not to mention if we are really greedy we should be waived from the 5 year limit of applying for Citizenship OR atleast the limit should be calculated as
5 - (wait since 485 filing + 6 months AC21 thingy). That way Akbari would get Citizenship rather than GC !
 
though principally agree with Akbari, yet that is something which doesnot affect us

too much if we get citizenship late by 5 years, but if we get GC late by 5 years that is tremendous stress, uncertainty
AbGCDeDo said:
Althought we know that (after doing calculations) this can make all of it current, when we ask this, the congress may not think this is too much and may be easily slipped into any of these bills. (I know I am talking as if I am a senator.)

(This is just a stupid babble below.)

Not to mention if we are really greedy we should be waived from the 5 year limit of applying for Citizenship OR atleast the limit should be calculated as
5 - (wait since 485 filing + 6 months AC21 thingy). That way Akbari would get Citizenship rather than GC !
 
It is already in SJC approved bill

See the words in bold.

10/21/2005: AILA Confirms Following Details of Senate Judiciary Approvals Yesterday

According to the AILA, AILA has passed the following immigration proposals yesterday:
Impose a new $500 fee on immigrant visa petitions for the EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3 categories.
Recapture unused employment-based visas from prior years for immediate allocation of up to 90,000/year. (Estimates indicate there are only 90,000-100,000 unused numbers to be tapped.)
Exempt spouses and minor children from counting against the annual cap on employment-based immigrant visas. (Estimates are that this would lead to an annual increase of 80,000-90,000 employment-based immigrant visas.)
Allow individuals to apply for adjustment of status before an immigrant visa is deemed currently available. (Of course, approval could not occur until the visa number is available.)
Recapture approximately 300,000 unused H-1B numbers dating back to FY 1991. As a result of Senator Feinstein's amendment, 30,000 rather than 60,000 would be available annually. (In other words, effectively raising the cap from 65,000 to 95,000 for at least 10 years.)
Impose a new fee on the recaptured H-1B visas so that the fees on the original 65,000 H-1B allotment remain unchanged but the additional 30,000 available annually carry an additional $500 fee.
Impose a new $750 fee on L-1 visas. (This was part of Senator Feinstein's amendment and was necessary to offset the reduction in revenue resulting from the limitation on recaptured H-1B numbers from 60,000 to 30,000.)
We agree with the AILA that these are not final bills and we have a long way to go to make these proposals into a reality. Businesses, academic institutions, and other stakeholders should keep working with their Congressional representatives to support the Senate Judiciary bill.


nato said:
would also save people from clutches of desi employer and prevent the sub labor sell at high premiums, bcos approved labor and hence the PD will loose importance in terms of freedom to work as everyone can file and get EAD after 140 is approved, guys with older PD can get GC faster and become citizen sooner though as a benefit if someone wants that.
 
SJC and AILA DO NOT PASS BILLS

GC_DJ said:
See the words in bold.

10/21/2005: AILA Confirms Following Details of Senate Judiciary Approvals Yesterday

According to the AILA, AILA has passed the following immigration proposals yesterday:
Impose a new $500 fee on immigrant visa petitions for the EB-1, EB-2, and EB-3 categories.
Recapture unused employment-based visas from prior years for immediate allocation of up to 90,000/year. (Estimates indicate there are only 90,000-100,000 unused numbers to be tapped.)
Exempt spouses and minor children from counting against the annual cap on employment-based immigrant visas. (Estimates are that this would lead to an annual increase of 80,000-90,000 employment-based immigrant visas.)
Allow individuals to apply for adjustment of status before an immigrant visa is deemed currently available. (Of course, approval could not occur until the visa number is available.)
Recapture approximately 300,000 unused H-1B numbers dating back to FY 1991. As a result of Senator Feinstein's amendment, 30,000 rather than 60,000 would be available annually. (In other words, effectively raising the cap from 65,000 to 95,000 for at least 10 years.)
Impose a new fee on the recaptured H-1B visas so that the fees on the original 65,000 H-1B allotment remain unchanged but the additional 30,000 available annually carry an additional $500 fee.
Impose a new $750 fee on L-1 visas. (This was part of Senator Feinstein's amendment and was necessary to offset the reduction in revenue resulting from the limitation on recaptured H-1B numbers from 60,000 to 30,000.)
We agree with the AILA that these are not final bills and we have a long way to go to make these proposals into a reality. Businesses, academic institutions, and other stakeholders should keep working with their Congressional representatives to support the Senate Judiciary bill.
 
What

If you do not know how the bills are passes then shut the fxxx up. The Senate Judiciary Committe (SJC) approval is the first step. If you read the article it says the proposed laguage will allow the filing of I-485 even during regression. The second step is the approval of it in the house, before it can enacted into law. The AILA is reporting the proposal agreed in the SJC meeting.

 
Originally Posted by GC_DJ
See the words in bold.

10/21/2005: AILA Confirms Following Details of Senate Judiciary Approvals Yesterday

According to the AILA, AILA has passed the following immigration proposals yesterday:
***********************

guys...it was just a typo.....come on....u cant blow steam over this...
 
you look like one disgusting fella out there, good luck

if you got a face go to some other thread and come back here only once it is signed into a bill
GC_DJ said:
If you do not know how the bills are passes then shut the fxxx up. The Senate Judiciary Committe (SJC) approval is the first step. If you read the article it says the proposed laguage will allow the filing of I-485 even during regression. The second step is the approval of it in the house, before it can enacted into law. The AILA is reporting the proposal agreed in the SJC meeting.
 
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Several points:

1. There is no 1million+ EB backlog. That GA backlog includes mostly family-based guys.

2. A lot of people have multiple labor or I-140 pending, and couples may have different I-140 petitions, so people can not look too much into this.

3. To estimate how things may go, just look at what happened after AC-21. They just gave 130k green card and remove the country cap if the worldwide is cyrrent. The result is no retrogression for 4 years! I think the current legislation is even more favorable than last time, so I do not believe retrogression is an issue anymore if the current legislation gets passed. Now that is the tricky part. We can not relax until it is passed by congress and signed by GWB. Just being negative and pessimistic will not help. We need work hard and bring positive attidude and results. Cheers!

EA


nato said:
Some one correct the below figures if not near the acutal ones..
EB backlog ending 2005: 1million+
considering spouses etc removed approx 500,000.
possible India applications say 30% around 150,000
BEC- 300,000+(this doesnot include spouses so these remain intact)
Visa's now for 2006 at least 140K+90K for this year = 230K
say quota for India approx 10,780+say another 8K due to recapture = 20,000.
so available for 2006 = 20K
for 2007 say with another 50K recapture as below = 18K approx
after that back to 10K
Demand at elast 150,000 currently in the system
+
BEC at least another 90,000(assuming 30% application for Indian)

Still many more years to go for India at least....
once these addtional numbers are avaiable for the current year the cutoff may move at the max by another 2 year
Here is some supporting state dept note

2001 to 2004, 141,365 employment-based third (EB-3) preference category visas were left unused, 90K being recaptured this year, rest go to next year

The backlog reduction efforts of both Citizenship and Immigration Services and the Department of Labor continue to result in very heavy demand for Employment-based numbers. The amount of cases currently being processed is sufficient to use all available numbers in many categories. The level of demand in the Employment categories is expected to be far in excess of the annual limits, and once established, cut-off date movements are likely to be slow.
WHAT CAUSES THE ESTABLISHMENT OF CUT-OFF DATES?
The Visa Office subdivides the annual preference and foreign state limitations specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) into twelve monthly allotments. The totals of documentarily qualified applicants that have been reported to VO are compared each month with the numbers available for the next regular allotment and numbers are allocated to reported applicants in order of their priority dates, the oldest dates first.
• If there are sufficient numbers in a particular category to satisfy all reported documentarily qualified demand, the category is considered “Current.” For example, if the Employment Third preference monthly target is 5,000 and there are only 3,000 applicants, the category is considered “Current”.
• Whenever the total of documentarily qualified applicants in a category exceeds the supply of numbers available for allotment for the particular month, the category is considered to be “oversubscribed” and a visa availability cut-off date is established. The cut-off date is the priority date of the first documentarily qualified applicant who could not be accommodated for a visa number. For example, if the Employment Third preference monthly target is 5,000 and there are 15,000 applicants, a cut-off date would be established so that only 5,000 numbers would be used, and the cut-off date would be the priority date of the 5,001st applicant.
WILL THERE BE CUT-OFF DATES FOR ANY ADDITIONAL FOREIGN STATES IN THE FIRST AND SECOND PREFERENCE CATEGORIES?
It may be necessary to establish a cut-off date for the “All Chargeability Areas” Second preference category at some point during the second half of the fiscal year. It is too early to estimate whether future demand will warrant such action. As of October 1st, cut-off dates for the First and Second preferences for China and India were established due to heavy demand; cut-off date movement is expected to be limited until a demand pattern has been determined.
WHY ARE THERE CUT-OFF DATES THIS YEAR AS OPPOSED TO PREVIOUS YEARS, WHEN THE CATEGORIES WERE CURRENT?
While the Employment categories had been “Current” for almost four years, several important factors affected the decision to implement cut-offs for FY-2006.
• Prior to July 2001, demand for Employment numbers was such that cut-off dates were in effect for many categories, and that is the case once again for FY-2006.
The reasons the Employment categories had become current were:
• The American Competitiveness in the Twenty-First Century Act (AC21) recaptured a “pool” of 131,000 Employment numbers unused in fiscal years 1999 and 2000, and allowed those recaptured numbers to be used by the oversubscribed countries, and
• The substantial decline in demand for numbers for adjustment of status cases prevented the annual limits from being reached for several years.
In FY-2006, we are faced with continuing heavy demand due to the DHS and DOL backlog reduction efforts, along with an Employment limit which is approximately 40% lower than that of FY-2005. The lower annual Employment limit is a result of the virtual elimination of the “pool” of recaptured AC21 numbers, returning us to the pre-July 2001 situation.
WHAT ABOUT SCHEDULE A NUMBERS?
The 50,000 Schedule A numbers will provide relief to many Employment Third preference applicants, since any Schedule A applicant whose priority date is beyond the established Third preference cut-off date can be processed and charged against the 50,000 limit. It is expected that such numbers will be available on a “Current” basis throughout all of FY-2006. The DOL backlog reduction effort could have some impact on Schedule A number availability, but it would not be felt very until late in the fiscal year.
HOW IS THE EMPLOYMENT-BASED PER-COUNTRY LIMIT CALCULATED?
Section 201 of the INA sets an annual minimum Family-sponsored preference limit of 226,000, while the worldwide annual level for Employment-based preference immigrants is at least 140,000. Section 202 sets the per-country limit for preference immigrants at 7% of the total annual Family-sponsored and Employment-based preference limits, i.e. a minimum of 25,620.
• The annual per-country limitation of 7% is a cap, meaning visa issuances to any single country may not exceed this figure. This limitation is not a quota to which any particular country is entitled, however. The per-country limitation serves to avoid monopolization of virtually all the visa numbers by applicants from only a few countries.
• The AC21 removed the per-country limit in any calendar quarter in which overall applicant demand for Employment-based visa numbers is less than the total of such numbers available.
• In recent years, the application of the rules outlined in AC21 has allowed countries such as China – mainland born, India, and the Philippines to utilize large amounts of employment numbers which would have otherwise gone unused.
During FY-2006, due to anticipated heavy demand, the AC21 provisions are not expected to apply, and the amount of Employment numbers available to any single country will be subject to the 7% cap. It is anticipated that the addition of unused FY-2005 Family numbers and the remaining AC21 numbers to the 140,000 annual minimum will result in an FY-2006 annual Employment limit of 152,000. This will mean an Employment per-country limit for FY-2006 of approximately 10,650.
• To illustrate the effect of the reduced per-county limitation during FY-2006 on the oversubscribed countries, it should be noted that during FY-2005 India used approximately 47,175 Employment numbers
 
EA I said in the beginning correct the figures as i am not sure of those

anyone is free to correct or fill in.

I am not pessimistic about the family part going through. but allowing all the folks in future to file 485 is the part which is doubtful as with this all USCIS would be doing is issuing EAD/AP all the time for next 7-8 years and the backlog for them remains ever increasing rather than decreasing or approving 485.
it is better for us that family exclusion is enacted in retro 4 yrs back from ac21 date that would take care of cutoff as well as for future
EAin2005 said:
Several points:

1. There is no 1million+ EB backlog. That GA backlog includes mostly family-based guys.

2. A lot of people have multiple labor or I-140 pending, and couples may have different I-140 petitions, so people can not look too much into this.

3. To estimate how things may go, just look at what happened after AC-21. They just gave 130k green card and remove the country cap if the worldwide is cyrrent. The result is no retrogression for 4 years! I think the current legislation is even more favorable than last time, so I do not believe retrogression is an issue anymore if the current legislation gets passed. Now that is the tricky part. We can not relax until it is passed by congress and signed by GWB. Just being negative and pessimistic will not help. We need work hard and bring positive attidude and results. Cheers!

EA
 
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Cmon guys,
Please read retrogression doing the math,
The eployment based, I-140 pending out of 1 million pending GC is only 73k (approx). half year worth of GC total, so if they were indeed all granted, they should all clear this year wont happen for Indian, Chinese etc.). So relax..

thx
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