Congratulations to All Asylees!!! Some Thoughts Too!

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zg1998

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Congratulations to us ALL Asylees because of the terrific win on the 31,000 unused GC numbers!!! I am very happy that everything the respectful and knowledgeable Harvard Law School’s Law_Person told us have been true. I love all the facts and precious information Law_person provided us, and I especially enjoy the final results! I am so happy that I decide to write something, even though normally I just a frequent visitor to browse all the threads here.

I want to give special thanks to AILF’s lawyers, and also to quite some helpful people on this forum (such as Gilbert, Laolali, Law_person, Tort_feasors … ). I am so happy about this result, because it benefits all us asylees!!! But I don’t know why some bitter losers like thankful think this win is not a big deal. This loser just cannot understand the simple fact. The bottom line is, overall this case benefit ALL asylees! If you have more than 3 yrs to wait, then you’re lucky, you have less 3 years to worry about. If you have less than 3 yrs to wait, your case will still be decided quicker! This is really a huge win for us all asylees!!! Why can’t this bitter loser thankful understand this simple fact and be happy for us asylees?! Based on thankful’s many no-logic and no-facts posts, and also based on the facts that he can never understand facts (even simple ones), isn’t his self-alleged law school acceptance a big ridiculous joke? If this kind of big loser can get into some law school because of his very special asylee status, then all asylees can, because we all at least have this special asylee status and will definitely get some very special welcome treatment to get into law schools because of our asylee status, it’s just that simple! Gee, how lucky we asylees are! Maybe we all should go to law schools, and then we may be able to finally understand what in thankful’s bitter mind and why this pitiful loser cannot be happy for all of us asylees.

I am a little bit worried that this forum may become some place people cannot state the facts. I love Gilbert and everything, but sometimes the way he delete people’s message is not so good. I followed the forum’s argument very tightly, so I know almost everything here. We all came to this great country to enjoy the great freedom this country has to offer. We should all appreciate the freedom right of speech everybody has here, as long as the speech is based on facts. But some stupid people seem to not like the freedom of speech idea, or they just don’t get the idea. We should not suppress some people’s arguments based on facts simply because other people may react “nastily” or “stupidly,” (ie, saying sth without stating any facts), but this seems to be exactly what some stupid person (like hampton8844) has suggested. What scares me more is that some bitter losers like jw1951 even supports the moderator to edit/change/revise anybody’s post as he see fits. Gee, this is the most absurd and stupid loser's post I’ve ever seen! Don't we asylees have any rights at all? According to the official Forum Rule, only “the OWNERS of ImmigrationPortal Forums reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.” But Gilbert is NOT the owner of this forum, he is only a moderator! Gilbert is a good person, I like him a lot. But with all due respect, he does NOT have right to change other people’s post based on facts without other peoples agreement. It is that simple! But some stupid people just don’t get it! I believe this forum’s true owner will support any open argument based on facts, while not to let some moderator to have unlimited right to change/edit other people’s post without their consent. This forum has been a great place to all of us asylees, please don’t let it become some dictatorship place like these stupid people’s stupid home country. Otherwise, it will hurt us all, don’t you see that the respectful Law_person will not come to this forum any more because some stupid people’s act? Otherwise, we may have all known the great case results a lot earlier and got out of this long-waiting torture a lot sooner!

Anyway, I love this forum and I wish it the best! I love Gilbert, I love Law_person! I love laolali, Tort_feasor, and all the people who can have an honest and open argument and who can really help people on this forum. I also support the idea that we need more moderator. Please don’t let some stupid people destroy this forum’s healthy open-discussion environment. I also welcome any open and honest argument with me, but I will not respond to any post which is not based on any facts. So somebody like thankful can just save your mouth because you obviously don’t know how to state and understand any logic and facts, and I really don’t want to waste time to argue with these kind of stupid losers.
 
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He does have the right to ...

Gilbert does have the right to change other people’s post.

excerpted from the FAQ

"What Are Moderators?

Moderators oversee specific forums. They generally have the ability to edit and delete posts, move threads, and perform other manipulations. Becoming a moderator for a specific forum is usually rewarded to users who are particularly helpful and knowledgeable in the subject of the forum they are moderating."

Samoel, obviously it's not his first post.
 
To answer questions

To answer your questions. This is obviously not my first post, becasue I tested to post several one word threads on this forum and some other forums before I posted this one. (And if you look to the upper-right corner of my posts you will notice that it said my post numbers are 2. :)) So you are right, it's not my first post. But what the heck does it have to do with anything??? You guys don't like first-time poster? :) ^_^, just kidding, I don't think so. Anyhow, if you are the asylees as I am, please enjoy the terrific results of this lawsuit.

Regarding some stuff in "FAQ," first, it's not in the offical Forum Rule, so it may not be an accurate definition and it's not signed for by us registers to this forum. Plus, for discussion's sake, even if let us SUPPOSE the moderator may "edit" the post to some extent, there should be a REASONABLE limit to that "edit" job. That is, Gilbert does NOT have the right to change other people’s post unreasonably and with unlimited rights. Otherwise, it's just too absurd to be true. But the reasonableness can be highly questionable and who gets to be the judge of the reasonableness? Maybe the owners I think, but obviously not some moderators like Gilbert! Anyhow, it's a highly questionable and problematic definition. Again, let's enjoy the 3 years deduction happily together!
 
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zg1998 said:
To answer your questions. This is obviously not my first post, becasue I tested to post several one word threads on this forum and some other forums before I posted this one. So you are right, it's not my first post. But what does it have to do with anything??? You guys don't like first-time poster? :) ^_^, just kidding, I don't think so. Anyhow, if you are the asylees as I am, please enjoy the terrific results of this lawsuit.

Regarding some stuff in "FAQ," first, it's not in the offical Forum Rule, so it may not be an accurate definition and it's not signed for by us registers to this forum. Plus, for discussion's sake, even if let us SUPPOSE the moderator may "edit" the post to some extent, there should be a REASONABLE limit to that "edit" job. That is, Gilbert does NOT have the right to change other people’s post unreasonably and with unlimited rights. Otherwise, it's just too absurd to be true. But the reasonableness can be highly questionable and who gets to be the judge of the reasonableness? Maybe the owners I think, but obviously not some moderators like Gilbert! Anyhow, it's a highly questionable and problematic definition. Again, let's enjoy the 3 years deduction happily together!
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There is nothing really to enjoy unless they don't eliminate cap for asylee...3 years deduction won't make much difference for people who applyed for asylum recently and who will apply in the future....
 
Minsk said:
There is nothing really to enjoy unless they don't eliminate cap for asylee...3 years deduction won't make much difference for people who applyed for asylum recently and who will apply in the future....
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I totally agree with you, there is no joy at all for people who still gonna wait 10+ years....it's insane!!! Hopefull the new bill gonna make it through the Senate and become a law, that's our only hope here!!!
 
Minsk and Exilado99, you have my full sympathy! But please don't go insane!

Exilado99 said:
I totally agree with you, there is no joy at all for people who still gonna wait 10+ years....it's insane!!! Hopefull the new bill gonna make it through the Senate and become a law, that's our only hope here!!!
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Minsk and Exilado99, well, my fellow asylee friends, can't you look at the positive side? Even if you still had 10+ years left before, now you only have 7+ years to worry about, right? Don't you think that's some good thing? And who knows, since we've already got this good results as precedent, in your 7+ years future some other good results may come out of some other law suits.

If you insist on thinking negatively like that, I have nothing to say except to give you my full sympathy. But for most asylees, I think this is great great news. For example, I still had 8 years to wait according to old INS schedule, but now I have only 5 years to wait, I am very, very happy. I also believe down the road some other great change may happen too during my 5 years waiting time. I strongly believe that MOST asylees will be very happy to see their waiting time got 3+ years shorter and they will definitely be able to enjoy this huge and terrific win out of this law suit.

Last thing, even if you need to wait 10+ years, and even if you cannot get any joy out of this great law suit results, and even if you insist on thinking negatively about stuff, please, at least don't go insane! That's not worth it at all!

My suggestion: Cheer Up and join us to enjoy this great news! Remember, Rome cannot be built over one night! We have to do things step by step, but let us enjoy the success of every step! I of course hope there will be some other changes in the near future to help to lower my waiting time even further, but hey, you gotta admit, 5 years's waiting is far better than my initial 8 years! No matter what, we beat INS this time! So let us asylees enjoy the great law suit victory! Let us show that we do sincerely and deeply appreciate from the bottom of our hearts all the people who are/were really trying to help us!
 
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Exilado99 said:
I totally agree with you, there is no joy at all for people who still gonna wait 10+ years....it's insane!!! Hopefull the new bill gonna make it through the Senate and become a law, that's our only hope here!!!
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Three years make a big difference. You will get three years' 100% freedom early than your current time schedule with all asylees, not like the partial freedom you have.
 
asluser said:
Three years make a big difference. You will get three years' 100% freedom early than your current time schedule with all asylees, not like the partial freedom you have.[/

I'll tell u what. I will apply for my GC only in May. I presume with the current time frames I'll get it probably in 20 years, may be even later, so 3 years doesn't play critical role. Now just imagine what should expect people who were approved recently or haven't been approved asylum yet. Will it metter for them when to recieve thei PR status in 2050 or 2047? Plus, what freedom are u talking about, unless u were not born here? :confused:

To zg1998

I wouldn't call it precident. They gave us a kind of "temporary relief" especially for those who has been waiting for a long time. As I said the only solution is cap's elimination. Otherwise this 3 years deduction won't metter anything for future applicants and asylees. They even might not see their Green Cards at all during their life time. Do u think they gonna sue INS every 5 years? Do u think this case will have a great impact on Congress and Senate decissions? Don't be naive. Plus, don't forget that INS "owes" 22000 adjustments to us anyway.
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Minsk said:
asluser said:
Three years make a big difference. You will get three years' 100% freedom early than your current time schedule with all asylees, not like the partial freedom you have.[/

I'll tell u what. I will apply for my GC only in May. I presume with the current time frames I'll get it probably in 20 years, may be even later, so 3 years doesn't play critical role. Now just imagine what should expect people who were approved recently or haven't been approved asylum yet. Will it metter for them when to recieve thei PR status in 2050 or 2047? Plus, what freedom are u talking about, unless u were not born here? :confused:
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I am sorry for you that you have to wait 20 years. I have experienced this for almost ten years like you. Maybe you doesn't care the 3 years. But I believe most of asylees who have applied GC will care. Some people may wait 2 years instead of 5 years before.

AILA law case has not only give us just three years, it also gives a big pressure for government. Maybe it is the reason government offer remove the cap. I am very appeciated what AILA did.

The freedom I mentioned is that you can apply loans and jobs without any questions like GC holders. You can travel whatever you want. As an asylees, I don't want something more than GC holders.
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asluser said:
I am sorry for you that you have to wait 20 years. I have experienced this for almost ten years like you. Maybe you doesn't care the 3 years. But I believe most of asylees who have applied GC will care. Some people may wait 2 years instead of 5 years before.

AILA law case has not only give us just three years, it also gives a big pressure for government. Maybe it is the reason government offer remove the cap. I am very appeciated what AILA did.

The freedom I mentioned is that you can apply loans and jobs without any questions like GC holders. You can travel whatever you want. As an asylees, I don't want something more than GC holders.
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I think u don't understand...I am a political asylee, like u and many others...The difference is that u were granted your status a few years earlier..ok?...now...people are being approved asylums every year, every month, every day...the guy, who will be granted asylum tommorow, will get his GC in 25 years, the guy who will be approved asylum in 6 months will get it in 28 years, the one, who will posses his asylee status in a year - in 32 years and so on... it's not exact numbers of course...I just want u to understand the whole idea, and if nothing change it will be like that, and 3 years is almost nothing in compare with 25 years, the same as 31000 is nothing in compare with 186000, plus, this number is increasing every day. And don't tell us about big pressure on government...it's just a settlement agreement between INS and AILA.
 
Minsk said:
I think u don't understand...I am a political asylee, like u and many others...The difference is that u were granted your status a few years earlier..ok?...now...people are being approved asylums every year, every month, every day...the guy, who will be granted asylum tommorow, will get his GC in 25 years, the guy who will be approved asylum in 6 months will get it in 28 years, the one, who will posses his asylee status in a year - in 32 years and so on... it's not exact numbers of course...I just want u to understand the whole idea, and if nothing change it will be like that, and 3 years is almost nothing in compare with 25 years, the same as 31000 is nothing in compare with 186000, plus, this number is increasing every day. And don't tell us about big pressure on government...it's just a settlement agreement between INS and AILA.
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My point:

1) 3 years are better than nothing.

2) The 10,000 cap would be removed as soon as possble.
 
That's exactly the point of the cap..to discourage ppl to travel to this country and apply for asylum since it takes soo long to get your gc...! It doesnt work though..
 
yeah, something is better than nothing, i am really excited since my RD is oct 2000, i may benefit from this action
 
Look who's talking!

Guys, let's not be greedy! We should be happy for any things we can get. Look where we before this legal victory. We should be grateful to those who did this, and not use every word in the call them by.

And those who are so bitter, let me ask what have you done lately? A few of took the time to draft a letter to the INS requesting an extension to the RTD, but did any one of them say anything? TOO MUCH TALK BUT LITTLE OT NO WORK!
 
Where did this info come from
I have searched the web but did not see any breaking news regarding issuing the 31,000 unused GC for asylees.. :eek: :eek: :confused:
 
i heard judge made a desicion about asylees will obtain greencard in 3 years.i have never heard anything about 31000 unused GC.
IT should be gossips. i asked my lawyer about my chance to get GC yesterday.he told me 8 years(i was granted asylum in 2004 )

So i dont know where all this people get gossips :confused:
 
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